Required feats???

[redoubt]

My sorc is my second oldest character. He is a drow with 36 CHA and a hodge podge of other stats.

For feats he has: Maximize, Heighten, Spell Pen, SF: Enchantment, GSF: Enchantment, SF: Illusion

For enhancements he has: spell pen 3, fire 4, fire crit 2, other fire crit 2 and other assorted stuff I can't remember off the top of my head.

He is at 2055sp and can last between most shrines okay. He is a little fragile and low on HP but I have a plan to get him up to 250.

There are two things that I have seen lately that make me wonder... one is the increased requests for greater heroism (which I only have on scrolls) and I've also been told that I MUST have extend to go with my haste spell.

It is usually only a complaint from people who won't wait for my slow butt to catch up and rehaste the group, which I am happy to do.

So what do you all think? (Both about my general enchanter build and the "extend requirement".)

Thanks.

[boldarblood]

Extend, Heighten, Empower, Maximize, Spell Pen 1, Spell Pen 2. Also be sure to max out your Spell Pen Enhancements.

[Irongutz2000]

I would drop SF illusion an either take extend or empower. IMHO


P.S. I think that both of the feats in enchanment focus is a little over kill, i use charms alot, i mean alot an hardly ever have a problem landing them without any of the feats. Hope this helps.

[Noctus]

Extended haste is very nice, but it´s not a "better have it or leave". Just nice to have.

No Greater Heroism on the other hand is a big downer. Allmost all expect the group´s arcane caster to have this spell, because it is incredibly good.


Having GH or not reminds me of the discussions of old on "Why should my Sorc carry Haste if you can also just chug potions?"


For example i have seen a Hound-Raid fail because non of the 2 Sorcerers who were in the group had GH. Too many people got feared at the same time --> clerics + the bard got overstrained --> puppies died --> fail.

When asked why they didnt carry it one dropped group and the other just said: "Why should i carry it if you can just get yourself a Planar Gird. I have one."

[Aranticus]

Extended haste is very nice, but it´s not a "better have it or leave". Just nice to have.

No Greater Heroism on the other hand is a big downer. Allmost all expect the group´s arcane caster to have this spell, because it is incredibly good.


Having GH or not reminds me of the discussions of old on "Why should my Sorc carry Haste if you can also just chug potions?"


For example i have seen a Hound-Raid fail because non of the 2 Sorcerers who were in the group had GH. Too many people got feared at the same time --> clerics + the bard got overstrained --> puppies died --> fail.

When asked why they didnt carry it one dropped group and the other just said: "Why should i carry it if you can just get yourself a Planar Gird. I have one."

most bards have GH as a spell, this is not a failure on the sorc part alone

[Noctus]

most bards have GH as a spell, this is not a failure on the sorc part alone

Warchanter: Bard 12 , 2 Rogue , 2 Fighter --> no level 5 spells.

[juniorpfactors]

Extended haste is very nice, but it´s not a "better have it or leave". Just nice to have.

No Greater Heroism on the other hand is a big downer. Allmost all expect the group´s arcane caster to have this spell, because it is incredibly good.


Having GH or not reminds me of the discussions of old on "Why should my Sorc carry Haste if you can also just chug potions?"


For example i have seen a Hound-Raid fail because non of the 2 Sorcerers who were in the group had GH. Too many people got feared at the same time --> clerics + the bard got overstrained --> puppies died --> fail.

When asked why they didnt carry it one dropped group and the other just said: "Why should i carry it if you can just get yourself a Planar Gird. I have one."

bad gimped toons , every toon at level 16 should have their own planar gird if not 2, and should have crafted gs fear immunity poison item, but yes I carry GH, if your really in a frenzy of GH go farm 3 or 4 planar girds and buff those beggars off those

SF: Enchantment, GSF: Enchantment, SF: Illusion DUMP these imho, Empower (must) extend, Necromancy if your human fit in UMD to hit 39-40 for Heal scrolls and Greater Restorations

jrp

[redoubt]

bad gimped toons , every toon at level 16 should have their own planar gird if not 2, and should have crafted gs fear immunity poison item, but yes I carry GH, if your really in a frenzy of GH go farm 3 or 4 planar girds and buff those beggars off those

SF: Enchantment, GSF: Enchantment, SF: Illusion DUMP these imho, Empower (must) extend, Necromancy if your human fit in UMD to hit 39-40 for Heal scrolls and Greater Restorations

jrp

You say necromancy because of Finger of Death? If yes, I have illusion because I have PK and not FoD. With the cap increase and more level 7 spell slots I will get FOD, drop PK and swap illusion for necromancy.

[nbhs275]

bad gimped toons , every toon at level 16 should have their own planar gird if not 2, and should have crafted gs fear immunity poison item, but yes I carry GH, if your really in a frenzy of GH go farm 3 or 4 planar girds and buff those beggars off those

SF: Enchantment, GSF: Enchantment, SF: Illusion DUMP these imho, Empower (must) extend, Necromancy if your human fit in UMD to hit 39-40 for Heal scrolls and Greater Restorations

jrp

Um, so your saying every melee toon needs to have 2+ girds, which have a drop rate of about 1 in 100, and that everycharacter should waste a GS item on two immunities that can be covered by a simple buff and a potion.....yea, great advice there junior.

[BelVic]

For example i have seen a Hound-Raid fail because non of the 2 Sorcerers who were in the group had GH. Too many people got feared at the same time --> clerics + the bard got overstrained --> puppies died --> fail.

When asked why they didnt carry it one dropped group and the other just said: "Why should i carry it if you can just get yourself a Planar Gird. I have one."

Blame on pallies. They have new spell called Lionheart.

Spell: Lionheart
Imbues a single ally with great bravery, making them immune to fear

When I do DQ flagging fast I just ask ppl who wants to do wiz-king fast ( usually 1-2 person is enough - not necessary caster). Nobody ever ask me if they can get GH at the quest ( where mummy can fear you do death).

Besides planar gird, GH, Lionheart, being pally, there is also item called reaver ring and few other items to make you immune to fear.

[Desteria]

Extended haste is very nice, but it´s not a "better have it or leave". Just nice to have.

No Greater Heroism on the other hand is a big downer. Allmost all expect the group´s arcane caster to have this spell, because it is incredibly good.


Having GH or not reminds me of the discussions of old on "Why should my Sorc carry Haste if you can also just chug potions?"


For example i have seen a Hound-Raid fail because non of the 2 Sorcerers who were in the group had GH. Too many people got feared at the same time --> clerics + the bard got overstrained --> puppies died --> fail.

When asked why they didnt carry it one dropped group and the other just said: "Why should i carry it if you can just get yourself a Planar Gird. I have one."

see i don;t caryr it BUT thats a situation where i would use scrolls on the part because the fear immunity IS important, why didnt the bard have it? they have less compitition for the spell slot then sorcs...
Really I blame the sorc not for not havign the spell BUT knowign nither had it NOT being willign to use scroll in a place where the spell is VERY helpfull.

[greystone306]

My sorc is my second oldest character. He is a drow with 36 CHA and a hodge podge of other stats.

For feats he has: Maximize, Heighten, Spell Pen, SF: Enchantment, GSF: Enchantment, SF: Illusion

For enhancements he has: spell pen 3, fire 4, fire crit 2, other fire crit 2 and other assorted stuff I can't remember off the top of my head.

He is at 2055sp and can last between most shrines okay. He is a little fragile and low on HP but I have a plan to get him up to 250.

There are two things that I have seen lately that make me wonder... one is the increased requests for greater heroism (which I only have on scrolls) and I've also been told that I MUST have extend to go with my haste spell.

It is usually only a complaint from people who won't wait for my slow butt to catch up and rehaste the group, which I am happy to do.

So what do you all think? (Both about my general enchanter build and the "extend requirement".)

Thanks.

There are no Must's for any class. If a player in a group tries to say you must have this feat or whatever, wish them well and say go find somebody who fits your mold to replace you in the group.. but that's just my opinion..Build what you like and if others have a problem with it tough luck to them.. Sorcerers are do not have to be haste bots and should not be considered such..

[Samadhi]

For extend, I pretty much live by it, and highly recommend it even if you only use it for haste ever.

GH is readily available in scrolls and - unless the mobs are casting fear in some fashion - not really necessary anyway. I definitely do not carry it as a spell.

I also don't think the spell focuses - any of them - are that good for a feat starved sorc; but that is more personal opinion the the above.

[Oreg]

Agreed with Samadhi. GH is not a spell I carry but I do carry scrolls for those who don't have girds and i'm more than happy to use them on folks. Extend I only use for haste, rage and fire/cold shield. IMO it is invaluable for those 3 things. I buff with extend off then turn it on for those 3.

[sephiroth1084]

What do you carry in place of GH?

[Samadhi]

What do you carry in place of GH?

Flesh to Stone, Mass Suggestion, Disintegrate.

Was considering flopping FTS for Acid Fog; but it's useful again

[redoubt]

What do you carry in place of GH?

Flesh to stone - seems a must in things like the TOR and Prey.

Acid Fog - No room for solid fog and it does some damage... most likely one to swap

Disintigrate

and... oh wait... we only get three...

P.S. all of my melees hit just fine without it (GH). I wonder, are people making builds that rely on GH to hit? Or is that fighter wanting it to umd a scroll? Seriously, I don't mind giving it to a rogue who is actually going to break out a scroll. Or if we are going to be somewhere that "fear" is being spammed, I'll spend the pp.

[Desteria]

What do you carry in place of GH?

Acid fog... Invaluable in most end game quests
FtS... ever since Giant hold Tor it;s had a perminant slot
Distigrate... FOr stuff that is ammune to everything else, (this i could drop but then I'd go to solo Wizking or something and be SCRWED for the king....)

G-hero will probably reappear as a spell at level 17, unless i find somethign i realyl want more.

[Dktr]

For extend, I pretty much live by it, and highly recommend it even if you only use it for haste ever.

GH is readily available in scrolls and - unless the mobs are casting fear in some fashion - not really necessary anyway. I definitely do not carry it as a spell.

I also don't think the spell focuses - any of them - are that good for a feat starved sorc; but that is more personal opinion the the above.

I could not disagree more with not carrying Greater Hero for the simple fact that GH adds +4 to your use magic device skill. GH is the single spell that I cast the most often (more often than haste, and I'm casting it on myself). Being that umd is nearly a class skill for sorcerers, you can spec your sorcerer to be a back-up cleric.

I would also drop empower for skill focus use magic device. Things die very quickly in my firewalls using only maximize.. turning on both maximize and empower just makes me burn through my spell points faster.. hardly worth it to make a mob die one millisecond sooner...

Getting your umd skill to 39/40 would allow you to use a heal scroll on 1.. even if you're wf and do not need heal scrolls for yourself .. being able to heal your fellow party members can be highly useful in raids- especially when the clerics run out of mana or the clerics go down..... I have saved many groups from near partywipes.... UMD ftw!! 8)

[Samadhi]

I could not disagree more with not carrying Greater Hero for the simple fact that GH adds +4 to your use magic device skill. GH is the single spell that I cast the most often (more often than haste, and I'm casting it on myself).

It is also one of the single easiest spells to carry on a scroll.

Scroll of GH - 11 minutes of GH
Scroll of Disintegrate/FTS/anything offensive - about worthless

Seems like a pretty simple decision to me.