Congrats on the Abbot win

[BigNastyMP]

I support Willphase %100.
I am okay with being perceived as high and mighty, I am usually both quite high and quite mighty.

I always wonder, what is it that the exploiters are trying to compensate for?

[moops]

I see alot of hypocrisy in this thread.

I see people that exploited The Reaver back in the day in a couple different ways. . .
People who Ransancked every toon they had for The Tome page Exploit. . .
People who Exploited the DQ. . .
People who still don't complete Titan as intended by the Devs. . .
I see these people preaching at others.

Now, I suppose one could argue that bypassing some Titan stuff is not an exploit since the Devs have not fixed it like they have the other stuff. . .but I'm sure that the devs never intended for us to all pull the same color stone by doing a neat little trick with the dialogue box. . ..

It is the hypocrisy of this thread that makes me sick.

[Quanefel]

I see alot of hypocrisy in this thread.

I see people that exploited The Reaver back in the day in a couple different ways. . .
People who Ransancked every toon they had for The Tome page Exploit. . .
People who Exploited the DQ. . .
People who still don't complete Titan as intended by the Devs. . .
I see these people preaching at others.

Now, I suppose one could argue that bypassing some Titan stuff is not an exploit since the Devs have not fixed it like they have the other stuff. . .but I'm sure that the devs never intended for us to all pull the same color stone by doing a neat little trick with the dialogue box. . ..

It is the hypocrisy of this thread that makes me sick.

And the last group of people you left out, the ones who have no wish to exploit this raid or anything for that matter. It is rather interesting you left those people out of your selective outrage of hypocrisy.

[soupertc]

And the last group of people you left out, the ones who have no wish to exploit this raid or anything for that matter. It is rather interesting you left those people out of your selective outrage of hypocrisy.

I think her point was cause maybe the post she was talking about were people that she had run with before....not in general.

[Erchamion]

So here we stand at the intersection of the moral compass. Which way is right? Each of has to decide that for ourselves. We (NSR) as a group have long stood for running the content as intended, in spirit, and as a guild principle. Sure, there are examples where people have deviated from that principle over the years, but they are few are far between, and for the mose part unintentional. Could we have made our point in a different way, perhaps, but I beleive the energy and focus on the topic exemplifies the importance of the accomplishment we feel when we complete the difficult raids. We have tried hard, and at great expense to our personal lives, to accomplish as much as we can in the game. With that effort brings a sense of entitlement, respect, and a responsibility to help others in game. Don't judge us based on one thread, look at our historical contributions to the game and the players, they are vast and well documented.

So my message is this, be yourself. If that means we disagree on how to solve a particular raid, then fine, it's a free country. I do beleive Garth speaks for the majority though that fair game play is hard work, and those that belittle the effort by using expolits are an issue to us all.

If you exploit, there's a risk, you accept it and live with the results (getting banned, sometimes multiple times . If it's fun for you and you get a thrill from the possibility of losing 3yrs of work, more power to you.

To me it looks like NSR has a big challenge ahead in Mod9 to down the Abbott once and for all IF the new changes make it possible in a legit manner. Stay tuned.

[Baltire]

Let me clarify some things for people that like to spin words...

NSR for the most part can care less about doing the Abbot raid...

When its able to be completed without exploiting, we will try it...

Not one person in NSR is "jealous" of any other person for having Abbot raid loot, if they wanted it, Im sure theyd be right there with you.

As for being hypocritical, I dont remember anywhere in one of my posts ( and if I did say it, it was not intended) that I care about other people doing this raid "cheese" or not. I merely dont want to hear about it on the forums like its some big accomplishment.

As many have stated in this post, doing the puzzles that can be completed as intended is a good accomplishment. But if you have to finish the quest by doing any one of these "cheese" methods, you havent completed the entire raid.

Take the loot, enjoy it. I dont care about that, but dont flaunt it in everyone who doesnt feel like doing it your way's face. You can do this quest every time you come off timer as far as Im concerned, but stop posting on the forums that you beat the raid, when you clearly have not.

If not wanting to hear about you exploiting the game is being a hypocrite, then maybe I am.

Either way, no one is right. End of the day, the quest is still broken.

[bobbryan2]

Let me clarify some things for people that like to spin words...

NSR for the most part can care less about doing the Abbot raid...

When its able to be completed without exploiting, we will try it...

Not one person in NSR is "jealous" of any other person for having Abbot raid loot, if they wanted it, Im sure theyd be right there with you.

As for being hypocritical, I dont remember anywhere in one of my posts ( and if I did say it, it was not intended) that I care about other people doing this raid "cheese" or not. I merely dont want to hear about it on the forums like its some big accomplishment.

As many have stated in this post, doing the puzzles that can be completed as intended is a good accomplishment. But if you have to finish the quest by doing any one of these "cheese" methods, you havent completed the entire raid.

Take the loot, enjoy it. I dont care about that, but dont flaunt it in everyone who doesnt feel like doing it your way's face. You can do this quest every time you come off timer as far as Im concerned, but stop posting on the forums that you beat the raid, when you clearly have not.

If not wanting to hear about you exploiting the game is being a hypocrite, then maybe I am.

Either way, no one is right. End of the day, the quest is still broken.

Who really cares? The asteroid puzzle probably won't even exist in two months. I only have a problem with players that lay all the blame on other players when it's clearly the devs fault the raid is like it is.

[BigNastyMP]

I respond with righteous indignation at what I perceive to be your righteous indignation! My hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Also, it is not that we are not jealous of abbott loot, it is that we are not envious of abbott loot. Jealousy is not envy. My hypocrisy only goes so far.

[Thelmallen]

As for being hypocritical, I dont remember anywhere in one of my posts ( and if I did say it, it was not intended) that I care about other people doing this raid "cheese" or not. I merely dont want to hear about it on the forums like its some big accomplishment.

You don't have to read the forums. You can be your own censor.

Take the loot, enjoy it. I dont care about that, but dont flaunt it in everyone who doesnt feel like doing it your way's face. You can do this quest every time you come off timer as far as Im concerned, but stop posting on the forums that you beat the raid, when you clearly have not.

While I agree with your point, bud, nobody flaunted it. A post was made of some screenies but the poster was not saying "booyah! in your face! i have an oooober robe that you don't neeenerneenerneener!"

Either way, no one is right. End of the day, the quest is still broken.

You speak the truth, sir. Please fix this dang thing so we don't have to endure differences of opinion like this.

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[Erchamion]

I see alot of hypocrisy in this thread.

I see people that exploited The Reaver back in the day in a couple different ways. . .
People who Ransancked every toon they had for The Tome page Exploit. . .
People who Exploited the DQ. . .
People who still don't complete Titan as intended by the Devs. . .
I see these people preaching at others.

Now, I suppose one could argue that bypassing some Titan stuff is not an exploit since the Devs have not fixed it like they have the other stuff. . .but I'm sure that the devs never intended for us to all pull the same color stone by doing a neat little trick with the dialogue box. . ..

It is the hypocrisy of this thread that makes me sick.

Hey Hexxa my dear, I beleive Brood and Matty are provoking a certain individual on puropse and not everyone in general as that individual has lost their right to play the game multiple times and still posts/plays and thinks they deserve respect. I can only hope the Cube catches him and bans him for the 3rd or 4th time, I don't know I've lost track... Nonetheless, his ability to stir up controversy and strife have not laxxed, and clearly he has not learned his lesson.

Besides, we're Clerics we prefer peace so let's graciouosly bow out of this battle and let the powers that be decide whom deserves the infractions in this case.

Best wishes,
Erch

[frugal_gourmet]

Let me be the first to laud this accomplishment in a completely backhanded manner. Allow me to casually dismiss it by pointing out how the quest is broken and only beatable by using exploits.

Did I say first?

I meant 67th.