Congrats on the Abbot win

[Mockduck]

Word is two DDOcasters (not me, which is probably why they won) joined some other fine Sarlona folks and took down the abbot last night on elite! Here's a LINK to Xiloscient's pics of it all. Congrats all!

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

I really hate putting a dampener on these achievements, because I do admit that it requires a lot of practice to manage to beat the Abbot, and I do wish to congratulate everyone involved.. and I've been biting my lip (metaphorically) about these posts since they've started appearing (more often nowadays)...

Nevertheless, unless people are willing to confirm otherwise, I do believe that there is a certain amount of cheese happening in particular in the asteroids room, and possibly in the phase goggles room.

All these posts do, is confirm to the devs that they can leave the Abbot alone, and that they don't need to fix it - when, in fact, it desperately needs work to make the Asteroids room possible without cheese. If devs keep seeing these congratulatory posts then I just think they're going to say 'Ok - the Abbot is fine, let's leave it alone' and that can't be good for those players who refuse to use any form of cheese when running a quest, and thus have no way of completing the Abbot. I still haven't done the Abbot and refuse to do it unless it's possible without cheese.

There - I said it...

And congratulations to the group... I really don't mean to devalue your achievement, but I think the point about what the devs might think if these 'successes' become commonplace is something that needed to be said.

Garth

[Nuckin]

Finally someone said it was almost to the point where I was gonna say it myself, and no it is not beatable w/o cheese currently... but yea grats on the completion

[Dexxaan]

Cmon Garth, don´t be a party ****er....but since there´s a ton of cheese to be dealt with....then I´ll bring the crackers.

All Monk Abbot FTW!








P.S. Abbot? Why bother; lame loot (Except 2-3 items at most); and major potential for PUG-Hate, and wait until the puritans start yelling no Cheese on the Abbott please! (A la shroud).

[Fourfingers]

I'll second the sentiment - congratulations to the group on the successful completion.

If you are concerned about cheese, perhaps we can get a dev to chime in and let us know if this is how they intended the raid to be completed. If not I'm sure they would be happy to shut it down again and fix it (it would appear there have been a number of ways to complete that raid and not all were as intended - remembering they added a barrier at the door to prevent one exploit.)

But we all know how much dev time goes into the Abbot raid anyway.. How long did it take to fix that goggle bug?

What was your completion time on that elite Abbot anyway? :O

[Mockduck]

I really hate putting a dampener on these achievements, because I do admit that it requires a lot of practice to manage to beat the Abbot, and I do wish to congratulate everyone involved.. and I've been biting my lip (metaphorically) about these posts since they've started appearing (more often nowadays)...

Nevertheless, unless people are willing to confirm otherwise, I do believe that there is a certain amount of cheese happening in particular in the asteroids room, and possibly in the phase goggles room.

All these posts do, is confirm to the devs that they can leave the Abbot alone, and that they don't need to fix it - when, in fact, it desperately needs work to make the Asteroids room possible without cheese. If devs keep seeing these congratulatory posts then I just think they're going to say 'Ok - the Abbot is fine, let's leave it alone' and that can't be good for those players who refuse to use any form of cheese when running a quest, and thus have no way of completing the Abbot. I still haven't done the Abbot and refuse to do it unless it's possible without cheese.

There - I said it...

And congratulations to the group... I really don't mean to devalue your achievement, but I think the point about what the devs might think if these 'successes' become commonplace is something that needed to be said.

Garth

No one who listens to the show should be too surprised to learn that I actually agree with you 100%! Well, except for the fact that I wanted to congratulate Xiloscient and Mical the Wise for beating this one.

I've been railing against cheesy tactics and exploits for a long time. When it comes to the Abbot raid, though, I've kind of decided to chill out a bit. Frankly, all of these wins have an asterisk by them *

* Beaten using tactics that don't involve legitimate uses, like soul stone carries, asteroid room spell oddness or worse, etc

but at some point it's just a matter of "eh - it's just how you have to win, if you want to win."

I have no fear that the devs will let the raid stay as-is because of posts. I am sure they are well aware of how people are beating this raid, and probably even watched some of these groups beat the raid. Eladrin has already said that the Abbot raid is getting a major makeover for Mod 9, so I'll be curious to see what happens.

Even using goofy tactics, this raid is still hard to beat, so congrats to people with the time/dedication/insanity to do it! I've given up on winning it, that's for sure.

[Mical]

taking down the abott on elite, it took us bout an 91

but yea that was majorly fun

[Angelus_dead]

All these posts do, is confirm to the devs that they can leave the Abbot alone, and that they don't need to fix it - when, in fact, it desperately needs work to make the Asteroids room possible without cheese. If devs keep seeing these congratulatory posts then I just think they're going to say 'Ok - the Abbot is fine, let's leave it alone'

That was a valid and important concern for the large majority of the Abbot's existence, but unless the devs are dishonest, it doesn't matter anymore.

Any feedback this post might be providing is too late to change anything, for good or ill. The Abbot quest that those guys just beat is gone.

[Mockduck]

Fast-forward one year...

Player 1: "Remember when the Abbot was impossible and you had to freeze summoned creatures in the asteroid room to win?

Player 2: "Yeah, now it's just a matter of keeping Coyle on the platform!"

[frugal_gourmet]

I can't wait for the next series of complaints that the Abbot is too easy.

Luckily, too easy is way better than neigh-impossible.

[Mical]

the loot in there was amazing to look out, like the book that drops.. so awesome,

if they change the difficulty they might change the loot

maybe idk..

[Chaos000]

I can't wait for the next series of complaints that the Abbot is too easy.

Luckily, too easy is way better than neigh-impossible.

I'm with you on that! would much rather be bored than frustrated.

[Angelus_dead]

Luckily, too easy is way better than neigh-impossible.

Yes, several months ago I made a thread asking if the Abbot was too tough, and it included a side comment that the Reaver was too easy. In the next patch they went and changed Reaver... but Abbot is still waiting.

[query]

I'll worry about the details after that. Not cake, not nigh impossible without Kraft, but doable and fun!

[Junts]

Nevertheless, unless people are willing to confirm otherwise, I do believe that there is a certain amount of cheese happening in particular in the asteroids room, and possibly in the phase goggles room.

My guild has been running this raid as well, and I just want to take this opportunity to say: the phase tile puzzle is routinely beatable with quite a bit of practice; as long as you approach it the right way (using movement and not voice cues, etc), experienced players can beat it legitimately upwards of 50% of the time.

We have nights where the iceball puzzle is failed more than the tile puzzle (of course, other nights that's not the case).


The asteroid puzzle is completely ********, as has widely been known; if the m9 abbot changes were -nothing- but a redo of the asteroid puzzle, I would be exceedingly happy with the raid.

[Mockduck]

Yeah, both the tile room and ice room are pretty do-able (although there's still too much bugginess with the ice wands).

Generally, the only big problem is the asteroid room. That, and the fact that his inferno is sort of outrageous (even if you know it's coming, it's hard to time that part out well by using the wands). Generally, finding an off-battle-floor encasement and using, ahem, whatevers in the asteroid room is how it's being beaten. That, or I've heard something about a long wait that I won't disclose here.

If the asteroid room was fixed, that would make the quest generally doable with a highly-skilled and organized group without needing to resort to exploits/cheese.

Overall, I hope Eladrin's makeover of the raid makes it fun! I just want a raid that is fun and gets people running the rest of the Litany content, which I actually enjoy quite a bit.

[Angelus_dead]

Yeah, both the tile room and ice room are pretty do-able (although there's still too much bugginess with the ice wands).

But always remember, "do-able" doesn't imply fun. That's faint praise.

[Mockduck]

But always remember, "do-able" doesn't imply fun. That's faint praise.

True. I have never described the Abbot raid as "fun". I've had some fun times getting trounced with friends in there, but the quest itself? Fun as a toothache in the pouring rain...

[Junts]

But always remember, "do-able" doesn't imply fun. That's faint praise.

outside the asteroids and inferno, we've been having quite a bit of fun, though you really have to do it in doses; abbot and hound are the only raids in the game you can in fact fail at this point, and the extra risk adds some excitement

[Tanka]

To quote their forums:

the most cheesiest ever... freezing clients everywhere, but still took skill and luck to get through googles

I'm not giving props to exploiters. Sorry guys, but if you have to exploit just to win, it isn't a win.

Tell me when you beat it without exploits.