Dwarven Capstone (Proposed)

[Turren]

Eladrin since we know you are watching this thread why not make a official announcement on the w/p debacle and end all this back and forth between the sides.

[Borror0]

If an enhancement is a capstone, it can be a bit more powerful as they're exclusive.

This would mean racial capstone would be exclusive between themselves (ie you can only pick one of these two capstones) or between class and racial capstone?

Oh, and by the way, assuming we one get epic levels, would capstone be a reward for staying pure beyond level 20 or a reward for reaching level 20 of a certain class?

[Ustice]

This would mean racial capstone would be exclusive between themselves (ie you can only pick one of these two capstones) or between class and racial capstone?

Oh, and by the way, assuming we one get epic levels, would capstone be a reward for staying pure beyond level 20 or a reward for reaching level 20 of a certain class?

All of the other racial and class enhancements stacked, so I can't see any reason that if we get racial capstones, that we would be excluded from getting a class capstone too.

[valorik]

Supreme Armor Mastery.

All armor is treated as one level lighter than its current type. For example Heavy, is medium, medium is light.

Dwarves receive an additional stacking +1 max dex to shields and tower shields.

A comment on the actual suggestion

I don't think that a capstone that gives even more reason to go dwarf for s&b should be allowed. Besides that, this is near useless to anything not a s&b dwarf or a splash "batman build", if they do implement racial capstones it should be something that's not useless as a non-evasion splash or s&b dwarf, maybe something that's a bonus to hitpoints or helps resist spells.

[Borror0]

All of the other racial and class enhancements stacked, so I can't see any reason that if we get racial capstones, that we would be excluded from getting a class capstone too.

I was thinking of the interaction between racial PrE's.

[Taojeff]

A comment on the actual suggestion

I don't think that a capstone that gives even more reason to go dwarf for s&b should be allowed. Besides that, this is near useless to anything not a s&b dwarf or a splash "batman build", if they do implement racial capstones it should be something that's not useless as a non-evasion splash or s&b dwarf, maybe something that's a bonus to hitpoints or helps resist spells.

oh sorry, meant to say armor and shields.

[Borror0]

I don't think that a capstone that gives even more reason to go dwarf for s&b should be allowed.

The biggest problem with that suggestion is that there would be no reason to not be a dwarf if you go S&B.

[Angelus_dead]

The biggest problem with that suggestion is that there would be no reason to not be a dwarf if you go S&B.

I think a bigger problem is the dwarf monks getting wisdom AC in chainshirts...

[Borror0]

I think a bigger problem is the dwarf monks getting wisdom AC in chainshirts...

I was assuming it worked the same way as mithril, but that would be pretty bad.

[Angelus_dead]

I was assuming it worked the same way as mithril, but that would be pretty bad.

Seriously thought, it could be fun to allow dwarf/warforged monks a way to remain centered in armor. They wouldn't gain monk AC bonuses, but they'd use unarmed strikes and Ki effects unrestricted.

[Wizzly_Bear]

At the present they're not, but it's an interesting idea.

no. you cant mc a race. a racial capstone is redundant and silly

[Ustice]

Seriously thought, it could be fun to allow dwarf/warforged monks a way to remain centered in armor. They wouldn't gain monk AC bonuses, but they'd use unarmed strikes and Ki effects unrestricted.

Not only fun, but it even sounds thematically consistent.

[valorik]

no. you cant mc a race. a racial capstone is redundant and silly

I think the point of racial capstones is not as a reward for staying "pure race" not that it's impossible not to, but it's to accentuate the difference between the races, and give a bonus to level 20. The problem with this is it only gives a bonus to one kind of dwarf character, which is bad for any other kind of character. One solution to keep this or something like, is to provide multiple different racial capstones. Such as for dwarves on to give better axe damage for dps, or more hp for anyone, something along the lines of dwarven faith for pallies/clerics, etc.

[valorik]

Seriously thought, it could be fun to allow dwarf/warforged monks a way to remain centered in armor. They wouldn't gain monk AC bonuses, but they'd use unarmed strikes and Ki effects unrestricted.

I agree anything that gives a little more variety in builds and characters is good.

[Xithos]

Not in the works and seems a little over the top

In a world that has a robe with a +4 Dodge Bonus to AC that can be alchemized and Monk AC bonus for a level 1 splash (along with the high end armor bracers, +6 stat items, enhancements, and future +4 tomes), this just didn't seem over the top to me Call me desensitized, but I thought it was a fairly clever idea if tweeked out to insure that light armor didn't suddenly count as a robe. Thats just me, and your mileage may vary.

[Taelan]

Ok so this has started something, so let me throw something out there.

How about something along the line of the racial class levels that were listed in the "Races of ..." series of books. Each of the races recieved three different classes that they could change the benefits from some of the levels to more appropriately reflect the racial differences.

For instance, the dwarf cleric loses the turn undead ability at first level in exchange for a Smite Giants ability similar to the pallies Smite Evil ability. Then at fourth level instead of another second level spell slot, he gains the Hammer Specialist ability. Finally, at eighth level instead of another fourth level spell slot, he gains the Earthen Spell Power ability. Of course, you can mix and match these abilities, if say you wanted the first and eighth level abilities but not the fourth you would just take a normal fourth level cleric ability at that level.

Now how's that for some customization, and then we would really hear the bellows for level respecializations.

[Vardak]

Supreme Versatility.

Humans choose a single area of mastery. In this area Versatility becomes permanent and always on.

[Aesop]

instead of "Capstone"

"Racial Paragon"

Though I agree about it being a little too much.

maybe

+2 AC While Wearing Heavy Armor
+2 Con
+25 HP


or some such

Aesop

[Shaamis]

I'm not saying there will be any in the immediate future, or that they'll be like the suggestion, but I found the idea interesting.

Thank you Eladrin, I feel a little bit of vindication with this statement. If a discussion pops up on this, Iwill definately try to come up with some good balanced suggestions.

[HumanJHawkins]

<cut>I'm not saying there will be any {racial capstones} in the immediate future, or that they'll be like the suggestion, but I found the idea interesting.

Just make sure racial capstones are only available to pure races. Players already get enough benefit from having a splash of elf here, or a dash of halfling there.

If I stick to pure dwarf, I'd be ****ed to see some jerk with a Dwarf 17 / Elf 3 build get to have the capstone too.