Change the spell Grease so it does not affect fellow players

[maddmatt70]

I enjoy greasing or being greased by fellow players it is fun and humorous, but grease has the potential to solve some of bards cc issues which can not be ignored thus my proposal for a change. It is an area of effect reflex spell and if heightened by bards could do the same for bards that web does for wizards. The problem is it effects fellow players and disrupts their ability to melee; hence, it is not a desirable spell for actual combat.

The current onslaught of devils on stormreach with their high will and fortitude saves and spell resistance necessitates area of effect reflex save spells. Bards are the cc masters, but they are abysmal ccers in DDO due to blanket mob immunities and/or extreme will saves and/or fort saves. Alot of bards who are not melee oriented have been able to succeed where their ccing abilities have failed with healing capabilities beyond their pnp counterparts, but with the cap going up to 20 and the mass heal spell coming for clerics bard healing vs. clerics should take a nosedive. Bards only recourse will be improving their ccing abilities...

Web in pnp effects fellow players, but in DDO it does not so why the double standard with Grease. Shouldn't Grease also not affect players? It would give bards a much better capacity to cc devils and in general.

[frugal_gourmet]

Yeah.

Grease is pretty much the best first level combat spell in pen and paper D&D. So, as a D&D noob last year I took it as one of my sorcerer spells for my first character. The first groups I played with were mad as hell.

[Impaqt]

Freedom of Movement?

[HeavenlyCloud]

/not signed

Sorry this is a fun spell and this would make my fun go away .

[Pittminion]

freedom of movement
ice boots from pop
kundark boots from the dragon.

Leave grease as is. If you change it how will I irritate the clerics at a shrine?

[frugal_gourmet]

The spell needs to have a big disclaimer so people don't get suckered into intuitively thinking it works like all the other area of effect spells in the game.

[EinarMal]

The spell needs to have a big disclaimer so people don't get suckered into intuitively thinking it works like all the other area of effect spells in the game.

That is the big thing why is this spell different than everything else, I can walk through a wall of fire, whirling blade barrier, a spider web, but not a puddle of grease?

It should be consistent with everything else, as Maddmatt points out Bards have incredibly few spell options and shouldn't have to cast FOM on everyone in order to use one spell that actually works against end game content.

[Geonis]

they need to fix the DC of Grease before they change anything else about it.

(Grease always has a DC of 11 regardless of any ability score, feats, items, or anything else that should affect it.)

[Impaqt]

That is the big thing why is this spell different than everything else, I can walk through a wall of fire, whirling blade barrier, a spider web, but not a puddle of grease?

It should be consistent with everything else, as Maddmatt points out Bards have incredibly few spell options and shouldn't have to cast FOM on everyone in order to use one spell that actually works against end game content.

ACtauly, I think all Enviromental Spells effect us the same as mobs.... at least the ones I can think of like Ice and sleet Storm.... Most CLouds obscure our vision....

[Impaqt]

they need to fix the DC of Grease before they change anything else about it.

(Grease always has a DC of 11 regardless of any ability score, feats, items, or anything else that should affect it.)

Thats only for the Falling down from Sliping. THeres no save on the Sliding and slowed movement.

[EinarMal]

ACtauly, I think all Enviromental Spells effect us the same as mobs.... at least the ones I can think of like Ice and sleet Storm.... Most CLouds obscure our vision....

The cloud thing is fine, the rest are just as contradictory as grease and nobody uses those spells either. Again it makes no sense that whirling blades from a blade barrier do nothing yet grease and a few other spells do.

Either you make spells ALL function based on hurting your allies or none. That would put a pretty big stop on the standing in firewalls and kiting through blade barriers.

Anything else is illogical. Grease should function in the same manner as firewall/cloudkill etc...

[EinarMal]

Thats only for the Falling down from Sliping. THeres no save on the Sliding and slowed movement.

Why doesn't the falling save change?

[Impaqt]

Why doesn't the falling save change?

That sir is a Question for the Devs......

Doesnt make sense at all... I think the spell is broken and no one has ever bothered to fix it.

[Arjen]

Very much /signed!

Fwiw, heighten does not work on grease.

[Borror0]

If not turning the friendly fire of Grease off, at least making it monsters affecting us as much as us and allowing Heighten to affected Grease would be a start.

[Pyromaniac]

I'd like to see no friendly fire grease, but yeah grease has zero purpose besides having fun once in a while.

Fix the DC

[EinarMal]

Yes the heighten feat as has been mentioned doesn't work either.

For Bards this is a big deal, it is the only reflex save spell (I think) that we have and it doesn't work. It would really help Devs if you re-visited this spell.

1. Remove friendly fire feature
2. Allow the save DC to scale as it should
3. Allow Heighten to work with the spell as it should

The only people complaining about changing this that I can tell just like to have fun greasing clerics etc....(which is kind of fun). Heck call the Bard spell something else like Super Grease and have it not affect other players but leave the Grease clickies alone.

At this point Bards need any help they can get as we are getting next to no upgrades next Mod.

[query]

webs get fired by allies......


make web AND grease able to be burnt away (ATM following friendly fire rules for those spells) and I'm satisfied!

[Komori]

the problem is the spell has such a bad rep that people dont know how to use it. My bard carries grease and freedom of movement. doing some favor runs i fom the entire party then start laying down grease. nice big capital letters. quit using grease. i ask why... tripped mobs cant damage us. and he goes on about how grease also affects the party. when i point out the party has fom his only comment is ....oh.

fom is fine for bards because they can easily provide the counter. wizards and sorcs it sux because they dont have fom

[ShaeNightbird]

If I'm fighting an Iron Defender and it spews grease, I fall down. If I had an Iron Companion and it spews grease, I fall down. If my own dog bit me, it'd be in the pound.