Survey: all lightning strike shroud group.

[Junts]

Other than lightning strike bows. Are any other lightning strike weapons worth using in the shroud?

On normal, the lightning strike damage is mildly better per-swing than beating dr, but only by about 2-3 points; on hard or elite, they're worthless in comparison.

[Wrigley]

On normal, the lightning strike damage is mildly better per-swing than beating dr, but only by about 2-3 points; on hard or elite, they're worthless in comparison.

Very likely true.......but still not as much fun!

[Desteria]

Other than lightning strike bows. Are any other lightning strike weapons worth using in the shroud?

On normal yes any lightnign strike 1 handers out damages a min2 for example buy about 2-3 points.....
FOr 2handed the loss of 15 per glancing blows makes them suboptimal to a min2 But would still beat an average, (+3), transumuter.
For bows with Silver arrows they are the WIN.

Above normal the DR on harry makes any old transmuter beat them in short order.

[Wrigley]

On normal yes any lightnign strike 1 handers out damages a min2 for example buy about 2-3 points.....
FOr 2handed the loss of 15 per glancing blows makes them suboptimal to a min2 But would still beat an average, (+3), transumuter.
For bows with Silver arrows they are the WIN.

Above normal the DR on harry makes any old transmuter beat them in short order.

Again I'm sure your probably correct, but I'm interested in knowing how you arrive at that result. To make that blanket statement your ignoring a lot of information you don't have. To hit, str, equipment (ie bloodstone, etc), and others. If your using baseline numbers for an average shroud character (whatever that is) then the assertion that there is only a 2-3 point difference doesn't translate for characters above or below that baseline. How do you make the calculation that gives you that 2-3 point differential?
Thanks in advance.

[nbhs275]

Again I'm sure your probably correct, but I'm interested in knowing how you arrive at that result. To make that blanket statement your ignoring a lot of information you don't have. To hit, str, equipment (ie bloodstone, etc), and others. If your using baseline numbers for an average shroud character (whatever that is) then the assertion that there is only a 2-3 point difference doesn't translate for characters above or below that baseline. How do you make the calculation that gives you that 2-3 point differential?
Thanks in advance.

if the average lightning strike is about 550, then means its an average of 5.5 damage a swing per every 1% of the time it hits. So if it procs 1 out of 100 attacks(which seems to be the concensus)<minII's slicing is 2.5 a hit> your getting less damage against anything with 3 or more DR....

[Wrigley]

if the average lightning strike is about 550, then means its an average of 5.5 damage a swing per every 1% of the time it hits. So if it procs 1 out of 100 attacks(which seems to be the concensus)<minII's slicing is 2.5 a hit> your getting less damage against anything with 3 or more DR....

I understand that basic formula, and an awful lot of folks are taking this 2-3 point difference as truth. I'm wondering where the proof in it lies. First, you have again not taken into account to hit, + to damage, weapon types, crit ranges, etc. There are some unknown statements here as well. Average lighting strike damage (again to what), DR, and of course the proc rate. I assume since so many people are using this 2-3 pt difference that somebody figured it out properly somewhere. Just wondering where that would be, and where your coming up with it. Again thanks.

[nbhs275]

I understand that basic formula, and an awful lot of folks are taking this 2-3 point difference as truth. I'm wondering where the proof in it lies. First, you have again not taken into account to hit, + to damage, weapon types, crit ranges, etc. There are some unknown statements here as well. Average lighting strike damage (again to what), DR, and of course the proc rate. I assume since so many people are using this 2-3 pt difference that somebody figured it out properly somewhere. Just wondering where that would be, and where your coming up with it. Again thanks.

If the two weapons are the same apart from one has slicing and transmuting, and the other gets the lightning strike, the lightning stike is doing an average of about 2.5-4 more a hit. And thats because neither strength nor crit range effects the proc rate.

[al73r]

seems like this thread went nowhere.

[Chaos000]

seems like this thread went nowhere.

lol. wife's sick otherwise I would start taking names and start building a list.

[maddmatt70]

On normal yes any lightnign strike 1 handers out damages a min2 for example buy about 2-3 points.....
FOr 2handed the loss of 15 per glancing blows makes them suboptimal to a min2 But would still beat an average, (+3), transumuter.
For bows with Silver arrows they are the WIN.

Above normal the DR on harry makes any old transmuter beat them in short order.

hmm.. I would say mineral 2 is 2 points better on normal for a one hander, but irregardless they are about the same..

[gorloch]

Well when you have to much time on your hands, and have made to many runs in the Shroud there is. Muligan is in:
Lightning Strike Khopesh X 2
Lighting Guard Necklace
Lightning Guard Goggles
Lightning Guard Gloves
Lightning Guard Cloak

Why is it when i first started reading this you were the first person to come to my mind.


PIXA

[Club'in]

Sorry, OP, another off topic. I thought bows weren't working?

From the known issues list:

"# Greensteel bows are currently not properly applying blast effects."

So, the Lightning Strike isn't a "blast effect"?

[Chaos000]

Sorry, OP, another off topic. I thought bows weren't working?

From the known issues list:

"# Greensteel bows are currently not properly applying blast effects."

So, the Lightning Strike isn't a "blast effect"?

correct. I still see the lightning strike go off I think the blast effect they are talking about is the third tier lightning blast effect that you get.

[Impaqt]

Sorry, OP, another off topic. I thought bows weren't working?

From the known issues list:

"# Greensteel bows are currently not properly applying blast effects."

So, the Lightning Strike isn't a "blast effect"?

No Its not. Blast is the "On 20" Crit from the Tier 3 Effect (SHocking Blast, Acid Blast, Icy Blast ect etc etc.)

[Timjc86]

(Thought it might be fun to do on a regular basis, but those that I've asked only had negative things to say about it.)

Would anyone be interested in and join an all lightning strike shroud group? (everyone in group with either a lightning strike weapon or guard)

I would be extremely interested.





Just give me the ingredients to make a lightning strike khopesh and I'll be there

[Chaos000]

i.e.

+5 Green Steel (one step up damage)

Tier I (pos/dom/mat)
Holy: +2d6 vs evil
Positive Energy Affinity

Tier II (air/dom/mat)
Shocking Burst: +1d6/ 1d10 crit
Aspect of Lightning

Tier III (double upgrade)
Shocking Blast: +1d10 crit/ +4d6 natural 20 confirmed
Lightning Strike 1% prot rate (chance 550-650 Damage when Hit)

[Chaos000]

Just give me the ingredients to make a lightning strike khopesh and I'll be there

if it's your first greensteel item I'm pretty sure people would go out of their way to help you get the ingredients you need.

battle cleric right?

[Timjc86]

Nah, I'm afraid not. I've got a handful of greensteels across a few characters, just no lightning strikes yet. I need to get off me bum and run some more shrouds.

[secondchance]

still the coolest effect in game...and if you are lucky enough to grp w/ serveral people using bows w/ multi shot in the same run....OMFG is it neat..... you see a few lightingstrikes in a row go off his health drops big time

[Chaos000]

Ok guys. what day works best for you. It'll have to be in the evening on a weekday after 6pm So.Cal time.

Let me know and I'll start putting it together.

1) Daishado - Ranger2/Cleric14: Greensteel lightning strike bow + Multishot