Few Q's

[ChadMan]

ok so im rolling a bard and i was thinking that i might add a clierc lvl on to him w/ a cha of (20 base+6 item+2 tome+4 lvls+3EHH=35) i might get some good dvs.

Pros: i get a better shot to use heal scrolls and rez,Dvs,and just a tiny bit more sp then i would if i added a bard lvl.


I have 2 questions.

what would i lose by doing this

and how meny DVs would i grab (grabing the +4 dv feat at 18 and the 1 bonus EHH)

[IgorUnchained]

ok so im rolling a bard and i was thinking that i might add a clierc lvl on to him w/ a cha of (20 base+6 item+2 tome+4 lvls+3EHH=35) i might get some good dvs.

Pros: i get a better shot to use heal scrolls and rez,Dvs,and just a tiny bit more sp then i would if i added a bard lvl.


I have 2 questions.

what would i lose by doing this

and how meny DVs would i grab (grabing the +4 dv feat at 18 and the 1 bonus EHH)

I will begin by saying that I dont know how many DVs you will get, and that I think you have an interesting idea going.
I have bards that can use heal and res scrolls just fine without a level of Cleric...just by upping my UMD every chance I get. I added a level of Sorc for the extra 200 sp...the better use of arcane wands and scrolls...the benefit to power/wizardry items....to go along with my Spellsinger build....and to have Magic Missle for use against enemies (especially in STK and Stormcleave).

I think that would be better in the long run, but that is just my take. If you plan on going Spellsinger and you have those 200 extra SP from your sorc level, the DVs you would give to someone else dont seem as big. Your spellsinger trance gives everyone a 10% deduction in spell costs and your AT LEAST 200 more sp would more than make up for the lack of DVs.

I am still eager to find out what you would have for DVs in your equation and I look forward to hearing how your build works out. Creative builds and support classes rock....dont let anyone tell you different!

[Kraldor]

ok so im rolling a bard and i was thinking that i might add a clierc lvl on to him w/ a cha of (20 base+6 item+2 tome+4 lvls+3EHH=35) i might get some good dvs.

Pros: i get a better shot to use heal scrolls and rez,Dvs,and just a tiny bit more sp then i would if i added a bard lvl.


I have 2 questions.

what would i lose by doing this

and how meny DVs would i grab (grabing the +4 dv feat at 18 and the 1 bonus EHH)

You would get: 3 (Base) + 12 (CHA mod) + 1 (Enh.) + 4 (Feat) = 20 DVs.

But you're mistaken about there being a better chance to use cleric scrolls.
A cleric level would allow you to make a caster level check on the scroll, but you would only have a +2 bonus anyway (e.g. Heal Scroll is DC 22 for caster level check. You would succeed 5% of the time).
It wouldn't stack with your UMD roll, so it would be useless anyway.

Also, you would be losing out on some skill points, +1 to your inspire courage bonuses, and an unknown Capstone enhancement.

[Noctus]

There are some misconceptions about the gains of multiclassing:

i get a better shot to use heal scrolls and rez

No, you dont.
You use scrolls either through caster level checks (the caster way) or through UMD ( the rogue way). One doesnt influence the other. And you wont have enough caster levels to be able to activate said scrolls through caster level checks.

Dvs

Yes, you will get them, although they will all be very weak ones, as you wont be able to take the higher DV enhancements.

and just a tiny bit more sp

That depends on your level if you would have a higher SP total as asplash, or as a pure build. But to have a chance at a higher SP pool through splashing you will have to invest buildpoints and an Itemslot into WIS.
This is far from a sure gain, or even a good deal.

what would i lose by doing this

- +1 to overcome spell resistance.
- Capstone enhancement, which may be very good. But most propably at least usefull.
- +1 to to-hit and +1 damage of your songs.
- you get all those nice bard abilities one level later.

I added a level of Sorc for the extra 200 sp...

Yes, you get these extra SP, but you have to pay for that with not getting the amount of SP the highest bard level would have given. So you dont have 200 SP more than a pure bard.

the better use of arcane wands and scrolls...

Scrolls = no, you arent better with scrolls.
Wands of the arcane kind can be fail-save activated with just 1 level in a class which has the wand´s spell on its class spell list. While on the low levels it is an advantage, the higher your total level raises, this advantage diminishes, untill at ~14th level it is gone. As you will be able to UMD almost all wands anyway.
--> Short lived and small gain.

the benefit to power/wizardry items....

You only get the Sorcerer-SP-Boost only in relation of your sorcerer-ness. If you are 100% Sorcerer, you get 100% of this boost. If you are only 1/16th sorcerer, you only get 6% of this boost.
--> If you splash sorcerer, this boost is effectively non-existant.

....and to have Magic Missle for use against enemies (especially in STK and Stormcleave).


Might be usefull up to level 5, afther that the damage of a splashed Sorcerer´s MM is laughable at best. You could as well throw dabbers at your enemys. Your group would be much better off if you would do some CC, or heal those who can deal real damage.
--> This "advantage" dissipates afther level 3.

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[Galbbatorix]

Wait until they release the capstone for bards before you decide on any cross classing for a bard, unless you're going battle bard. If the capstone is amazing, you'll be missing out.