Finesse weapon enchantment

[dameron]

Compare these two ML 12 items:

+1 finesse dagger of puncturing

and a

+5 dagger of puncturing

Both are ML 12, but I question the relative value of the finesse enchantment.

Realistically the +2 dex is likely to be meaningless at level 12.

My drow sorcerer with a 14 STR and a 26 DEX would pick the finesse dagger because it would offer +2 to hit over the +5, but much of that value is based on the on crit effect.

Any move to weaken on crit effects should probably also feature a drastic reduction in the ML requirements for the finesse enhancement, otherwise there will be very, very few instances where it makes sense to use a finesse weapon.

[bobbryan2]

Yes... finesse is vastly overpriced... and more often than not, redudant in this game.

[Aranticus]

Compare these two ML 12 items:

+1 finesse dagger of puncturing

and a

+5 dagger of puncturing

Both are ML 12, but I question the relative value of the finesse enchantment.

Realistically the +2 dex is likely to be meaningless at level 12.

My drow sorcerer with a 14 STR and a 26 DEX would pick the finesse dagger because it would offer +2 to hit over the +5, but much of that value is based on the on crit effect.

Any move to weaken on crit effects should probably also feature a drastic reduction in the ML requirements for the finesse enhancement, otherwise there will be very, very few instances where it makes sense to use a finesse weapon.

does the +5 of puncturing give a +6 to hit for the other weapon?

[Impaqt]

Compare these two ML 12 items:

+1 finesse dagger of puncturing

and a

+5 dagger of puncturing

Both are ML 12, but I question the relative value of the finesse enchantment.

Realistically the +2 dex is likely to be meaningless at level 12.

My drow sorcerer with a 14 STR and a 26 DEX would pick the finesse dagger because it would offer +2 to hit over the +5, but much of that value is based on the on crit effect.

Any move to weaken on crit effects should probably also feature a drastic reduction in the ML requirements for the finesse enhancement, otherwise there will be very, very few instances where it makes sense to use a finesse weapon.

you say that like theres a strong market for Finesse weapons now......

Finesse is nice for a High dex character that has no intrest in taking the weapon finesse feat.....

Like a Sorc......

In pnP.. WHere its unlikely that a character would be toting around 58 different weapons, Finesse weapons are rather nice.

here they arent that cool.. regardless of how good the Suffix is.

[dameron]

you say that like theres a strong market for Finesse weapons now......

Finesse is nice for a High dex character that has no intrest in taking the weapon finesse feat.....

Like a Sorc......

In pnP.. WHere its unlikely that a character would be toting around 58 different weapons, Finesse weapons are rather nice.

here they arent that cool.. regardless of how good the Suffix is.

Yes. You grasp that it's not a particularly valuable enhancement.

That's just my point. It's a +8 ML enhancement that pretty much seems to mostly benefit, at a guess, halfling sorcerers. Perhaps it should be reworked or dropped.

[Aranticus]

Yes. You grasp that it's not a particularly valuable enhancement.

That's just my point. It's a +8 ML enhancement that pretty much seems to mostly benefit, at a guess, halfling sorcerers. Perhaps it should be reworked or dropped.

so do vicious, deception, parrying, precision be dropped as well

[DagazUlf]

redudant

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[Lorien_the_First_One]

so do vicious, deception, parrying, precision be dropped as well

Vicious is being reworked for the next mod - it might even make sense after that change.

[ahpook]

does the +5 of puncturing give a +6 to hit for the other weapon?

If you are high enough level to use a finesse weapon, have the dex over str to make finesse worthwhile, and are dual wielding you have the feat. So I don't see the bonus to the other hand as being relevant.

Finesse on a weapon is a garbage prefix. Probably not worth a +1 modifier let alone what they actually equate it to.

so do vicious, deception, parrying, precision be dropped as well

Vicious is more useless than finesse and is being reworked.

The others can all be useful at times though not powerful. They grant abilities that you might not have or cannot get any other way. Finesse is not useful because it grants an ability that only makes sense to people who would already have that ability. Anyone without the ability would find it useless. There may be some bards out there who would find it useful but I am pretty certain that it is much lower number than the number of rogues who find deception useful.