Good Monk Greensteel Kama

[Madhatternynja2007]

Looking to make a pair of Greensteel Kama's for my monk, however, I can't decide on which upgrades to take there are some really good ones out there. Looking at one combo for Holy 2d6, with Acid Burst and Acid Blast so it gets Transmuting/Bleeding/Keen. Or even taking 3 different elements for elemental mastery. Any thoughts on some good upgrades to apply to it.

[Kraldor]

I wouldn't bother with elemental mastery.

The two most popular choices for DPS are Lightning 2 and Mineral 2, preferably with +4 Insight AC for a Monk.

[Lithic]

on my monk/cleric I will be making a holy/+1 wis/+2 wis, and a holy/acid burst/+4 AC. Just need the dang superior shards :/

[Desteria]

KAma 1:
Holy, +1 con, +4 Insight AC .... Min2

Kama 2:
Holy, +1 Wis, +2 Wis .... Min2

The acid damage doesnt harm most things any way and dependign where your wisdome is stititng these bad boys get you 5-6 points of AC and 0-16 hp when fightign the big bad guys you want AC the most against.

Stuff a Force ritual 1 point per hit on each and get some VoD goggles for fun DPS times.

Thats what my monk uses and I love em.

[dylusional17]

correct me if im wrong but i thought the +1 wis bonus would not stack with the +2 wis bonus, doesnt it just use the highest exceptional bonus?

[Desteria]

correct me if im wrong but i thought the +1 wis bonus would not stack with the +2 wis bonus, doesnt it just use the highest exceptional bonus?

nope, they stack, if you read them they like all tyhe specal shroud bonuses sp hp skilsl etc all say will stack will all other bonuses EXCEPT exacly the same one.

And i can confirm that in practice thats how it works because i get +3 wis wich gives me +2 AC.

And my sorc get +3 cha from her dagger

[Madhatternynja2007]

Do insight bonuses stack, I don't think so but can't remember.

[Inspire]

Do insight bonuses stack, I don't think so but can't remember.

Only the highest applies.

[ehcsztein]

my current plan is...

Radiance II = Holy / +1 Dex / +2 Dex
Steam II = Holy / +1 Wis / +2 Str (though I may end up with +2 Wis as well)

And force rituals on both.

[Varr]

Im going cheap..........two triple water kamas. Both icey burst, one is +6 str +4 ac, the other is +8 wisdom. Alot of ac boost, pretty tasty dps, unless immune to cold..........and all those swings per round.......should be landing the 3x100 water ticks amusingly often.

[Delt]

Kama won't achieve real dps numbers no matter what you build, regardless of what anyone else says (yes it's nice to see a lightning strike go off, but you can't count on that as "dps").

Go cheap and useful, dual x3 Acid with an insight on one and maybe exceptional Wis on the other. It's not a fiend killer combo, but no kama is, and it'll serve you well everywhere else. For the fiend, give up your centered bonuses and pick up some other weapons that aren't kamas (even avoid handwraps, until transmuting works maybe).

[Madhatternynja2007]

Ok well everytime I fight the Pit fiend I am dual wielding Holy Pure Good Kamas which even against his DR still gets me 3-4 numbers, albeit 3-4 small numbers but I am consist with them. I prefer to stay centered. Look I know the monk is not the cats meow or even the best DPS but they are consistant and CAN have the highest survivability in any group.

[Desteria]

Kama won't achieve real dps numbers no matter what you build, regardless of what anyone else says (yes it's nice to see a lightning strike go off, but you can't count on that as "dps").

Go cheap and useful, dual x3 Acid with an insight on one and maybe exceptional Wis on the other. It's not a fiend killer combo, but no kama is, and it'll serve you well everywhere else. For the fiend, give up your centered bonuses and pick up some other weapons that aren't kamas (even avoid handwraps, until transmuting works maybe).

define 'real'

because my haflign Tempest monk (6ranger/10monk), puts up some very tasty DPS numbers with his min 2 kama's, by every simulation i;ve run current game nothign not TWF can beat him, yes the haflign that started with a 8str easly out paces barbs with 2 hand wepaons...
He won't beat a good TWF but he can beat some of them because that 5% mroe stackign haste adds up fast when your damage loosk like 29+16+1+1d4+2d6+(ki attacks). he was build for AC AC more AC even more AC then i ddi what I could for DPS, I'm very happy with him, he did take a lot of gear to get here though.... Build him for STR and thoughs numbers could be a good bit higher + PA would be an option.... SO yes Kama's CAN be DPS, it takes a little work but that wind stance haste adds up nicely.

[Desteria]

Ok well everytime I fight the Pit fiend I am dual wielding Holy Pure Good Kamas which even against his DR still gets me 3-4 numbers, albeit 3-4 small numbers but I am consist with them. I prefer to stay centered. Look I know the monk is not the cats meow or even the best DPS but they are consistant and CAN have the highest survivability in any group.

OMG soo your adding 2d6+1d6 damage every hit average of 10.5 damage BUT LOSEING 15 points to DR!!!!!! even if those weapons were +5's a +1 transmuter would out damage them, In the exampel of +5's Vr's a +1 transmuter only buy 0.5 damage but thats the 2 Extreams... thats on NORMAL his DR oes up from there....

just a sugestion mate but lots of littel red numbers does not always = better damage, pick up a half decent set of transmuters for him you will help out the dameg more and not lose any survibility... eventualy a pair of Min2's with holy and transmutoign and slicign etc will make damage FLY.

Now had they bene silver I'd be sayign you have great kama's.

The break even for non DR buypassign weaposn on normal is they have to be doign 15 more average damage then a +x transmuter woudl be doing....
So a +1 Holy greater Evil out siders bain for eg adds +4 +5d6 damage or 21.5 damage this is one fo the few weapons types that is actuyl better then bypassing his DR FOR a 1HANDED weapon... (2handed need to bypass DR because of the hit to glacing blows as well, there basicaly is NO weapon combination that can beat bypassing DR for a 2handed weapon).

It's basicaly look at your weapon comparit to your best transmuter does it do more then 15 points more on average if the answere is not yes, you should be useign the transmuter(note transumter coudl also mean Silver+[holy or pg] weapon).

[Delt]

define 'real'

because my haflign Tempest monk (6ranger/10monk), puts up some very tasty DPS numbers with his min 2 kama's, by every simulation i;ve run current game nothign not TWF can beat him, yes the haflign that started with a 8str easly out paces barbs with 2 hand wepaons...
He won't beat a good TWF but he can beat some of them because that 5% mroe stackign haste adds up fast when your damage loosk like 29+16+1+1d4+2d6+(ki attacks). he was build for AC AC more AC even more AC then i ddi what I could for DPS, I'm very happy with him, he did take a lot of gear to get here though.... Build him for STR and thoughs numbers could be a good bit higher + PA would be an option.... SO yes Kama's CAN be DPS, it takes a little work but that wind stance haste adds up nicely.

You spent the ingreds for two Min II's on 8 STR halfer...and most of your "dps" is coming from procs. Even if you were running on elite and the min II made a little sense, you'd still be just as well served sporting a 3x positive bow w/ silver arrows on that build (being that its a hell of alot cheaper).

I'm too lazy (and sleepy) to breakdown your numbers, but I know from experience most good THF will out DPS you pretty easily (and nevermind TWF's, who will be crit'ing for just ~200 on big red). I have the EXACT same build (I regret not taking a rog level tho) with more STR and I'd never try to call him DPS. He can lead the killcount sure, 10% tempest, 5% wind and haste makes for some pretty nifty attack speed - but "DPS"....no way, not with kamas.