Haggle Bard - Mississippi Queen

[NaturalHazard]

Exactly the reason I kept Mississippee the way I built her I will not let Turbine dictate my playstyle.

I built Genghis Khan, as many of you know, that plays a significantly larger DPS role that can also fills various bard responsibilities.

And this build, well my toon is still useful, even in epics, most people think hagglebard and they think sing then pike, but ive actually solo CC in EDA, helped back up heal and CC in all the epics ive run. Even healed when the cleric/fs has died or dced. Last night was funny because the cleric dced, so I continued healing, then the melee's rushed and looted the chest not realising the cleric had dced. I said wait guys hes dced. then I got asked....... so who was healing us? lol. I just wish the offensive casting and maybe songs? would be amped up a bit.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

And this build, well my toon is still useful, even in epics, most people think hagglebard and they think sing then pike, but ive actually solo CC in EDA, helped back up heal and CC in all the epics ive run. Even healed when the cleric/fs has died or dced. Last night was funny because the cleric dced, so I continued healing, then the melee's rushed and looted the chest not realising the cleric had dced. I said wait guys hes dced. then I got asked....... so who was healing us? lol. I just wish the offensive casting and maybe songs? would be amped up a bit.

Cool! Yeah, I love Miss. Just no problems in any quest, I find a way.

If Turbine ever returns to its roots, and works on bard crowd control, Miss will be ready.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

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[DDOGoz]

i've read several posts about haggles, why is no one including the shield from chronoscope? it's +3 enhancement bonus, which seems to be unique in the game so far? http://ddowiki.com/page/Battered_Marketplace_Shield

[Glassdarkly]

Not sure if the haggle enhancement stacks with everything else? For a great breakdown of haggle visit http://myddo.webs.com/hagglebard/index.htm

Also here is a forum link to the Hagglebard 100+ build http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=335489

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

i've read several posts about haggles, why is no one including the shield from chronoscope? it's +3 enhancement bonus, which seems to be unique in the game so far? http://ddowiki.com/page/Battered_Marketplace_Shield

The airship buff Dwarven Stoutness from the Kundarak Battlemaster supperceeds it. (+5 enhancement bonus to haggle is better than, but not stacking with, the +3 from Battered Marketplace Shield.)

[DDOGoz]

Ah I see, thanks for the clarification.

[Shal]

Earl of Funk, Duke of Cool, Ayatollah of Rock-and-Roll-a

a shamless bump for all the haggle bot haters ...

question ... i lvl a mississippii clone up to 10 last night, and when i went to put the 2pts into diplo like your planner suggests, it only allowed me to put one into it. is this because of somthing i may have did wrong on previouse lvls, or is the plan off a touch?

i have read the whole thread, not an easy feat, and heard no mention of it.

[karl_k0ch]

Earl of Funk, Duke of Cool, Ayatollah of Rock-and-Roll-a

a shamless bump for all the haggle bot haters ...

question ... i lvl a mississippii clone up to 10 last night, and when i went to put the 2pts into diplo like your planner suggests, it only allowed me to put one into it. is this because of somthing i may have did wrong on previouse lvls, or is the plan off a touch?

i have read the whole thread, not an easy feat, and heard no mention of it.

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If you took Diplo all the time, you wont be able to put more than one point into it per level. The build in the OP did not. At level 10, you can't have more than 13 ranks in any class skill.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Earl of Funk, Duke of Cool, Ayatollah of Rock-and-Roll-a

a shamless bump for all the haggle bot haters ...

Did I hear mah name!? Hahaha

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ok im composed now.

Upon inspection, Karl hit it on the nose. If you notice several levels I never take diplomacy which allowed me to take it twice at level 10. If diplo is greyed (you cant take it any more) then you are set because you maxed it out. You're definitely good to go!

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Everyone learns about Bard love sooner or later, the best realize we cant cant just rely on Turbine's idea of music! Time to turn that ish up!

A lil Mudflap Mama.... and a one... and a two.... and

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That's Slash hangin out with one of his guitar idols, Leslie West. They are definitely having fun jammin' on this track.

Remember bards, dont take no hate, make em appreciate. oh hell not gonna have no more of this 3rd degree...

A lil Joe Bonamassa /Leslie jam with TONE from another planet. If you cant Rock, you have no right bein a bard.

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[Shal]

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I dont know what to say. Except my mother told me not to do these kind of things.

Ever..

no need to say anything really.

If you took Diplo all the time, you wont be able to put more than one point into it per level. The build in the OP did not. At level 10, you can't have more than 13 ranks in any class skill.

thanks for that

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ok im composed now.

Upon inspection, Karl hit it on the nose. If you notice several levels I never take diplomacy which allowed me to take it twice at level 10. If diplo is greyed (you cant take it any more) then you are set because you maxed it out. You're definitely good to go!

and thanks to you to.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

and thanks to you to.

No problem. Glad you are enjoying the build and please feel free to ask any more questions if you have em...

[Shal]

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[jkdrury]

I am building the Version II of this to primarily be a healer. Is it too much of a disadvantage to use a rapier and shield vs THF with masters touch. I't probably more of a favor call for being in groups will be healing, and using wands most of the time. If going that route is it worth using the feats for weapon focus piercing, and improved crit, and PA? The HP are kind of low so defenitly wont be on the front lines. What do you think? Stick to slashing weapons and THF?

[TK.Halcyon]

I am building the Version II of this to primarily be a healer. Is it too much of a disadvantage to use a rapier and shield vs THF with masters touch. I't probably more of a favor call for being in groups will be healing, and using wands most of the time. If going that route is it worth using the feats for weapon focus piercing, and improved crit, and PA? The HP are kind of low so defenitly wont be on the front lines. What do you think? Stick to slashing weapons and THF?

I don't really see much point going with a shield as the AC will be negligible. The primary difference will be the damage you do and you will see it if mainly in the benefits you take Power Attack. Falchion's have the same crit range as rapiers so not much difference there.

Piercing is good if you go for instakill on norm and maybe hard ( banishers / smiters ) as slashing weapons dont have banishing. But then piercing weapons don't have vorpal ... Its more of a flavor thing to be honest if your primary focus is going to be healing.

Taking THF feats would give you glancing blows which can increase the damage output on the target as well as the other mobs around the target.

Just my 2 copper

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Hey Leslie,

I am having a similar skill rank issue to someone else earlier. I decided to throw this toon in the builder, but you have 2 ranks in balance being taken at Level 13, I am only able to take one. Starting level 13 with 15 ranks, and it only allows me the +1 bump to 16. I re-entered everything twice, and added the +2 stat at 7. Am I missing something, or is the original build off? I also noticed you listed enhancements for level 1 that I don't think are available until level 2.

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Hadn't heard back from anyone so I figured I would dig into the planner export you posted. There seems to be something wrong with your skill ranks. Somehow you have 25 Ranks in Balance when you should only be able to have 23. The total number of ranks spent is 151 which is correct. Not sure what happened, but I am curious where you would re-allocate them. As posted minus the discrepancy, the main skills are maxed minus the following (with ranks at 20 in brackets), I am assuming you will add one of the points to concentration, where would you place the last one? (I know for those jumping on me it should be based on my playstyle, I just want to see what Leslie would have picked personally).

Concentration(22), Diplomacy(18), or Jump(15)?

I know in the original Mississippi Queen you had Diplomacy capped with Jump at 12 instead of 15, and Tumble only at 1. What made you decide to change the original stat layout?

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Sorry folks, been "on the road" since Feb 14, due to damage sustained to my home (luckily we have a very good insurance company thats taking care of us). Its quite a bit more challenging to find time to post than normal, but I'm going to work on getting these updated as soon as possible, hopefully by tonight. Does appear like I made a mistake or two that needs fixin'.

check back soon

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Ok, here is the "Original" Mississippee. Please understand, Mississippee was not just a one time design, but a work in progress. Skills, feats, spells and enhancements changed as I leveled. Many seasoned bards will tell you they tweaked regularly, to suit their playstyle, changes in game mechanics, or even specific quests that they may be running at the time. Somewhere along the line of edits, a few enhancements got lost in the shuffle. Changes to enhancements such as haggle also contributed to an inaccuracy.

All inaccuracies have been fixed, and in fact the entire build was re-created from the ground up to enact the exact way I would have built the original Mississippee, with the current day enhancement costs. Remember though, Spellsinger II PrE is not worked in, as the Original Mississippee was completely built and capped before the second PrE was released. No tomes were built in either, as my original goal was to prove anyone could build a useful, high haggle bard.

The bard community gets my sincerest appreciation, for making my build just a little more fun to play, and this thread the traction it needed to still be singin.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.12.01
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Mississippee Original with current enhancement costs.
Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 180
Spell Points: 926 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 11
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    16
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             18                    29

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    22
Bluff                 4                     9
Concentration         6                    28
Diplomacy             4                    22
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                8                    41
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate            4                     9
Jump                  7                    16
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform               8                    31
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     3
Tumble               n/a                    0
Use Magic Device      8                    34

Level 1 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Perform (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Spell Focus: Enchantment
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 2 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Hypnotism
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Spell (1): Otto's Resistible Dance
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Soundburst
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Focusing Chant
Spell (2): Invisibility
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II


Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger I


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Suggestion
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (3): Good Hope
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Haste
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration I


Level 9 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Improved Haggle I
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration II


Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Spell (4): Otto's Sphere of Dancing
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Improved Haggle II


Level 11 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Enhancement: Bard Charisma III


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration III


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Mind Fog
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Negotiator
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Improved Haggle III


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Remove Fear
Spell (5): Mass Suggestion
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (6): Otto's Irresistible Dance
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Glitterdust
Spell (6): Heroes Feast
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Haggle
Spell (3): Crushing Despair
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery IV


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Break Enchantment
Spell (6): Mass Charm Monster
Enhancement: Improved Haggle IV
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Greater Dispel Magic
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV