Haggle Bard - Mississippi Queen

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 05-26-2011, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Rydin_Dirtay

I am doing the same -- I am trying to get my capped spellsinger's melee dps up. It is poor at the moment.

And one thing I have noticed in parties she joins lately...many of those parties need another dps'er, for whatever reason. It would be nice if she could do it, just a little. Masters Touching a GS Falchion...is that a possibility?

Absolutely.

But remember, you need to protect yourself. A bard needs to understand what ALL buffs do. And you shouldnt be lazy to cast, wandwhip, click, or umd buffs. At bare minimum, stoneskin/displacement are your friends. Everyday

**Habreno** · 05-26-2011, 06:03 PM

Are you counting Guild Ship Buffs with your max haggle? Think that improves the score a bit...

CHA: 18+5 level + 2 tome + 7 item + 3 exceptional+ 4 enhancement +2 guild ship + 1 profane = 42 (16 modifier; 15 modifier if you only have +6 item, 17 modifier with +4 tome)
23 ranks
15 modifier (16/17 add 1/2)
15 item
6 GS Skills
5 enhancement (Guild Ship Buff)
5 Human Adaptability IV
4 GH
4 AP
2 Luck
3 SF
2 Negotiator
1 Focusing Chant
2 Monk buff
2 Bard Buff (Inspire Competence)
3 House D potion

=92
Add 2 for 44 CHA, add 1 for Yugoloth potion, 3 for Completionist feat (1 CHA, 2 skill), and you can get up to 98. Not bad.

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 05-26-2011, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Habreno

Are you counting Guild Ship Buffs with your max haggle? Think that improves the score a bit...

CHA: 18+5 level + 2 tome + 7 item + 3 exceptional+ 4 enhancement +2 guild ship + 1 profane = 42 (16 modifier; 15 modifier if you only have +6 item, 17 modifier with +4 tome)
23 ranks
15 modifier (16/17 add 1/2)
15 item
6 GS Skills
5 enhancement (Guild Ship Buff)
5 Human Adaptability IV
4 GH
4 AP
2 Luck
3 SF
2 Negotiator
1 Focusing Chant
2 Monk buff
2 Bard Buff (Inspire Competence)
3 House D potion

=92
Add 2 for 44 CHA, add 1 for Yugoloth potion, 3 for Completionist feat (1 CHA, 2 skill), and you can get up to 98. Not bad.

I have not done a count since ship buffs were introduced. Nice breakdown, thank you for doing it

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 05-27-2011, 06:47 AM

Looking forward to seeing some of my favorite bards at our Memorial Day event on Ghallanda this Monday night at 9pm.

Details: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=320547

PS: Please feel free to invite anyone in your guild that you think might be interested in joining us.

**Rydin_Dirtay** · 05-27-2011, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by LeslieWest_GuitarGod

Absolutely.

But remember, you need to protect yourself. A bard needs to understand what ALL buffs do. And you shouldnt be lazy to cast, wandwhip, click, or umd buffs. At bare minimum, stoneskin/displacement are your friends. Everyday

Oh I give and get axer packages all the time. My ss bard is a packrat, a scroll or wand for *any* oh-so-special occasion.

With Everyday Low Prices (tm).

**Habreno** · 05-31-2011, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by LeslieWest_GuitarGod

I have not done a count since ship buffs were introduced. Nice breakdown, thank you for doing it

You're welcome, hope I didn't mess up the Yugo pots.

**Habreno** · 06-13-2011, 01:54 PM

100 is possible: Capstone adds 2 CHA for 1, and the Active Rogue past life adds 1 to skills.

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 06-24-2011, 08:13 PM

Re-doing the OP to make it more up-to-date. Any ideas would be welcomed...

**Quikster** · 06-25-2011, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Habreno

100 is possible: Capstone adds 2 CHA for 1, and the Active Rogue past life adds 1 to skills.

This is a few pages back now. Can now do it with no store items, and only a bard song from another acct. (not hard to do just roll up a ftp acct and get him high enough to give you a song. My other acct is actually my main so I have a 20 bard on there)

This is my Warchanting hagglebard. Lvl 20, 1 tr plf bard. 500+ hp when raiding 100+ haggle.

Its a lot of fun to make fun of guildies when they die before my gimp hagglebard

**Bodic** · 06-25-2011, 09:43 AM

Just for +1 more PL:Sneak of Shadows Rogue taken feat adds +1 to all skills

Edit: I didnt see it on the top post and I see it the post above mine.

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 06-25-2011, 10:49 AM

updated OP with rogue past life...

Thank you fellow bards!

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 06-25-2011, 12:31 PM

Debuting Mississippee Queen II, a new melee-specced spellsinger. Max haggle minus feats. Quickened/Maximized raid heals, DPS. Updated OP.

Code:

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Mississippee Queen II
Level 20 True Neutral Human Female
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 1046 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 12
Will: 12

                  Starting          
Abilities        Base Stats         
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          
Strength             16             
Dexterity             8             
Constitution         14             
Intelligence          8             
Wisdom                8             
Charisma             18             

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    23
Bluff                 4                     9
Concentration         6                    32
Diplomacy             4                    32
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                8                    36
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                 -1                     0
Intimidate            4                     9
Jump                  6                    16
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently        -1                     0
Open Lock            n/a                    n/a
Perform               8                    32
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                 -1                     0
Swim                  3                     4
Tumble                0                     1
Use Magic Device      8                    36

Level 1 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Perform (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Fascinate
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Spell (1): Master's Touch
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 2 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Spell (1): Focusing Chant
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Competence
Spell (1): Otto's Resistable Dance
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Glitterdust
Spell (2): Blur
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Sonic Blast
Spell (2): Rage
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II


Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Suggestion
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger I


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (3): Haste
Spell (3): Good Hope
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Inspire Courage
Spell (3): Displacement
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 9 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Greatness
Enhancement: Improved Haggle I
Enhancement: Improved Haggle II
Enhancement: Improved Haggle III


Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III


Level 11 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Otto's Sphere of Dancing
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Song of Freedom
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger II
Enhancement: Improved Haggle IV
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Hold Monster
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Mass Suggestion
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Heroics
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Spell (5): Mind Fog
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (6): Otto's Irresistable Dance
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration I


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (6): Heroes Feast
Spell (2): Invisibility
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Mass Suggestion
Spell (3): Remove Curse
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (6): Greater Shout
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV


Level 20 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Shadow Walk
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy

What do you think?

**Newbiexicus** · 07-03-2011, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by LeslieWest_GuitarGod

Debuting Mississippee Queen II, a new melee-specced spellsinger. Max haggle minus feats. Quickened/Maximized raid heals, DPS. Updated OP.

Code:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.2
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Mississippee Queen II
Level 20 True Neutral Human Female
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 1046 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 12
Will: 12

                  Starting          
Abilities        Base Stats         
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          
Strength             16             
Dexterity             8             
Constitution         14             
Intelligence          8             
Wisdom                8             
Charisma             18             

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    23
Bluff                 4                     9
Concentration         6                    32
Diplomacy             4                    32
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                8                    36
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                 -1                     0
Intimidate            4                     9
Jump                  6                    16
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently        -1                     0
Open Lock            n/a                    n/a
Perform               8                    32
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                 -1                     0
Swim                  3                     4
Tumble                0                     1
Use Magic Device      8                    36

Level 1 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Perform (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Fascinate
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Spell (1): Master's Touch
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 2 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Spell (1): Focusing Chant
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Competence
Spell (1): Otto's Resistable Dance
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Glitterdust
Spell (2): Blur
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Sonic Blast
Spell (2): Rage
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II


Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Suggestion
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger I


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (3): Haste
Spell (3): Good Hope
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Inspire Courage
Spell (3): Displacement
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 9 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Greatness
Enhancement: Improved Haggle I
Enhancement: Improved Haggle II
Enhancement: Improved Haggle III


Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III


Level 11 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Otto's Sphere of Dancing
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Song of Freedom
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger II
Enhancement: Improved Haggle IV
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Hold Monster
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Mass Suggestion
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Heroics
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Spell (5): Mind Fog
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (6): Otto's Irresistable Dance
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration I


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (6): Heroes Feast
Spell (2): Invisibility
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Mass Suggestion
Spell (3): Remove Curse
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (6): Greater Shout
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV


Level 20 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Shadow Walk
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy

What do you think?

Is it possible to ask you to make a Human Virtuoso version?

Or at least the diffent choices.
With 28 pt versions as well please

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 07-03-2011, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Newbiexicus

Is it possible to ask you to make a Human Virtuoso version?

Ok, finally decided to post a virtuoso. Here's how I would do it, and why.

Code:

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Mississippee V
Level 20 True Neutral Human Female
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 748 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 12
Will: 12

                  Starting          
Abilities        Base Stats         
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          
Strength             16             
Dexterity             8             
Constitution         14             
Intelligence          8             
Wisdom                8             
Charisma             18             

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    18
Bluff                 4                     7
Concentration         6                    26
Diplomacy             6                    27
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                8                    36
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                 -1                     0
Intimidate            4                     7
Jump                  3                    14
Listen               -1                     4
Move Silently        -1                     0
Open Lock            n/a                    n/a
Perform               8                    36
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                 -1                     6
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                1                     2
Use Magic Device      8                    30

Level 1 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Perform (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Fascinate
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Improved Haggle I
Enhancement: Improved Perform I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I


Level 2 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Spell (1): Focusing Chant
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Competence
Spell (1): Master's Touch
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Spell (2): Rage
Spell (2): Blur
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Improved Perform II


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Invisibility
Spell (1): Otto's Resistable Dance
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I


Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Negotiator
Feat: (Automatic) Suggestion
Enhancement: Bard Virtuoso I


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Glitterdust
Spell (3): Haste
Spell (3): Good Hope
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Inspire Courage
Spell (3): Displacement
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 9 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Greatness
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III


Level 11 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Otto's Sphere of Dancing
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Song of Freedom
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Virtuoso II


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Mass Suggestion
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Heroics
Enhancement: Bard Music of the Dead


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Spell (5): Summon Monster V
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (6): Otto's Irresistable Dance
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Fox's Cunning
Spell (6): Heroes Feast
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Mass Suggestion
Spell (3): Crushing Despair
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Break Enchantment
Spell (6): Greater Shout
Enhancement: Improved Haggle II
Enhancement: Improved Haggle III
Enhancement: Improved Haggle IV
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Mind Fog
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I

- Human versatility is for the to-hit and the haggle boosts.
- I like 18 cha for the umd, spell points, and spell dc, although it can be taken down to 16 or even 14 for a boost to con and/or str.
- THF to free up feats and not be concerned with twf to-hit woes.
- For 28 pt build, just drop cha to 16.
- Nuetral good to use pure good weapons, much easier for newer players. True Neutral for everyone else. Carnifex is great until levels 8-10.

This is respectable bard DPS, who can heal fast, CC extremely well due to going virtuoso, and can haggle like the cajun queen that she is!

**Newbiexicus** · 07-04-2011, 02:41 PM

I was wondering why you took Weapon Focus. I thought it was bad, or at least it seems not as good as some of the other feats out there. Why did you take it? Also, if ever, what other feat could I replace it with?

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 07-04-2011, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Newbiexicus

I was wondering why you took Weapon Focus. I thought it was bad, or at least it seems not as good as some of the other feats out there. Why did you take it? Also, if ever, what other feat could I replace it with?

Weapon focus offers a +1 to-hit bonus to attack roll. To a pure bard that chooses to focus on melee, that extra +1 to-hit will come in handy many many times during a quest. Early on, then again towards the end game, its clutch.

**Newbiexicus** · 07-04-2011, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by LeslieWest_GuitarGod

Weapon focus offers a +1 to-hit bonus to attack roll. To a pure bard that chooses to focus on melee, that extra +1 to-hit will come in handy many many times during a quest. Early on, then again towards the end game, its clutch.

Ah, okay thanks.

Could the haggle bard vituoso work if I made it a caster? Maybe max CHA and level ups to CHA. And then different feats?

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 07-04-2011, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Newbiexicus

Ah, okay thanks.

Could the haggle bard vituoso work if I made it a caster? Maybe max CHA and level ups to CHA. And then different feats?

Any class can be a hagglebot, but human bard is tops because it gets 2 feats (Haggle and Negotiator) and 2 enhancements (Haggle and Human Versatility), and bards in general get a lot of skill points. You will see Rogues and Sorcs walking around with decent haggle scores.

**NaturalHazard** · 07-05-2011, 07:11 PM

I think a lot of people underestimate bards who have a high haggle and spellsingers particularly this build. I often get told haggle bards gimp, spellsingers gimp, when I rolled this charactor i only ever thought he would be farming shroud. But ive taken him with minimal gear into hard/elite tods, and every epic quest/raid cept for Evon4 and 5 that I have access to. And guess what? he was useful, so useful in fact that people will send tells asking if I want to come run some elite/epic quest with them. And as far as player skill goes im way down the scale.

**Maelodic** · 07-07-2011, 02:50 AM

The spell singer build in the first post is some kinda god at crowd control right? Because I want that.

Also, drow/elf/halfling version? I'm presuming drow would be best since I do not have 32 point builds.

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