Haggle Bard - Mississippi Queen

[NaturalHazard]

Got a few questions:

First I'm following this part:

STANDING HAGGLE:

23: Ranks
13: Charisma of 36 (I ate a +1 CHA tome)
15: Haggle +15 item
03: Feat: Skill Focus (Haggle)
02: Feat: Negotiator
04: Enhancement (Haggle IV)
02: Luck Item (head of Good Fortune)
06: Greensteel CHA skills +6 item

Which equals 68. What I have different is a Cha of 38 which gives me a +14. Which still gives me a 68 for some odd reason. My greensteel is a +6 cha with a +3 exceptional cha on it. I'm not sure what the 6 you have listed is for. Could you list what the recipe is for the item or weapon you made was.

So I can get a 78 haggle but I thought it should be 79 with a cha of 38.

Also where do you get the house deneith potions from?

And those that want an easy +2 luck item get the level 20 tier 3 ring from the pirates event. Should beable to farm that up in a day give or take.

are you counting spells? greater heroeism, focusing chant?

[NaturalHazard]

That is pretty much exactly what I do!

I will add that I hit any other party healers/casters with spell song vigor. Most importantly however be CERTAIN to have resist fire/prot and fireshield scrolls. Fireshield Cold is your best defense against the fire attacks of the pit fiend.

I also got fire storm greaves, those should help yes? but even with fire storm greaves and the cold sheild and the fire resist will 360 hp be enough, hes level 17, I dont have a shroud hp item, but I got the gfl, draconic vitality, toughness, minos, and +6 con.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

I also got fire storm greaves, those should help yes? but even with fire storm greaves and the cold sheild and the fire resist will 360 hp be enough, hes level 17, I dont have a shroud hp item, but I got the gfl, draconic vitality, toughness, minos, and +6 con.

Yep! The firestorm greaves and fireshield combo is the bomb. Personally I dont use them anymore since giving the few sets I have to other toons.... but I highly recommond them since the fire absorption quality is most helpful.

[NaturalHazard]

Yep! The firestorm greaves and fireshield combo is the bomb. Personally I dont use them anymore since giving the few sets I have to other toons.... but I highly recommond them since the fire absorption quality is most helpful.

sometimes we have an abundance of healers, if I get the madstone boots, would it be bad to buff, then enter the melee double madstoned? I should get firesheild procing when the scroll wears off by my bracers of the glacier, and with double madestone be around 450-500 hp no evasion, but fire sheild, fireresist, and firestorm greaves?

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

sometimes we have an abundance of healers, if I get the madstone boots, would it be bad to buff, then enter the melee double madstoned? I should get firesheild procing when the scroll wears off by my bracers of the glacier, and with double madestone be around 450-500 hp no evasion, but fire sheild, fireresist, and firestorm greaves?

With 450-500 hp you'll be ok. Make sure you are riding STR as high as possible, and remember your group heals on the inside, if needed. Im sure you know this already, but for those who don't, you need silver and pure good on your weapon in order to break the pit fiends dr.

[NaturalHazard]

With 450-500 hp you'll be ok. Make sure you are riding STR as high as possible, and remember your group heals on the inside, if needed. Im sure you know this already, but for those who don't, you need silver and pure good on your weapon in order to break the pit fiends dr.

thing about group heals, im madstoning but its prob the only way for me to hit 450-500 hp on this toon .

no shroud hp item yet.

also what tod set do you think i should aim for.

And have you run your haggle bard through tod, and various epics? (im sure you have, what I want to ask is, any important tips?)

[Dulcimerist]

Are any of the proposed changes in U9 making you consider adjusting your build at all?

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Due to change.

Bard lvl 20 Spellsinger

Lvl 1 Spell                 Current Cost     U9 Cost     Extend?     U9 Extend?
Remove Fear                       10            10          y            y
Grease                            10            10          y            n
Focusing Chant                    10            10          y            y
Otto's Resistible Dance           10            10          y            n
Merfolk's Blessing                10            10          y            y

Lvl 2 Spell                 Current Cost     U9 Cost     Extend?     U9 Extend?
Cure Moderate Wounds              15             8          n            n
Glitterdust                       15            15          y            n
Hold Person                       15            15          y            n
Soundburst                        15            15          n            n
Blur                              15            15          y            y

Lvl 3 Spell                 Current Cost     U9 Cost     Extend?     U9 Extend?
Remove Curse                      20            20          n            n
Crushing Despair                  20            20          y            n
Good Hope                         20            20          y            y
Displacement                      20            20          y            y
Haste                             20            20          y            y

Lvl 4 Spell                 Current Cost     U9 Cost     Extend?     U9 Extend?
Freedom of Movement               25            25          y            y
Dimension Door                    25            25          n            n
Hold Monster                      25            25          y            n
Otto's Sphere of Dancing          25            25          y            n
Shout                             25             8          n            n

Lvl 5 Spell                 Current Cost     U9 Cost     Extend?     U9 Extend?
Greater Dispel Magic              30            30          n            n
Cure Light Wounds, Mass           30            25          n            n
Greater Heroism                   30            30          y            y
Suggestion, Mass                  30            30          y            n
Mind Fog                          30            30          y            n

Lvl 6 Spell                 Current Cost     U9 Cost     Extend?     U9 Extend?
Cure Moderate Wounds, Mass        35            25          n            n
Heroes' Feast                     35            35          y            y
Otto's Irresistible Dance         35            35          y            n
Greater Shout                     35            15          n            n


Total to cast once:              640           581
Total to cast all extended:                                840
Total to cast buffs extended, offensive twice:                          906

** All sonic spells get lower costs... except for Soundburst (1d8 pts of damage, 6 second stun). It will now cost the same as Greater Shout (5d6 + 30 damage, 6 second stun).
** Casting everything once: savings of 59 SP. Casting everything extended: loss of 66 SP.


The extend nerf hurts bard's crowd control across the board, and there's no way to paint it any different. Is it game braking? No. But it's yet another kick to the groin for those who enjoy the crowd control play style as a top build priority. For most game content however, it just means keeping on your toes, and working even tighter with your party to alert them you are utilizing CC so they can be more efficient.

The slightly lower cost for healing however is a real nice boost for all healing specced bards.

Credit goes to Cahira for chart.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Are any of the proposed changes in U9 making you consider adjusting your build at all?

Sorry Dulcimerist, been out of it with pneumonia for several weeks. I wouldnt make any changes to Miss at this point.

[Bolo_Grubb]

what dragontouch armor and tiers do you recommend?

I got the shroud since AC will never matter on my hagglebot and so far exceptional CHA for the tempest.

I was thinking CHA skills for the first tier and maybe devotion VIII for tier 3?


I am sorry if this has been stated somewhere here before and I just missed it.

[Kielbasa]

Doesn't Remove Curse come in wand form? If it does I think that Deep Slumber would be a far better lv3 spell than remove curse to keep slotted with the upcoming changes.

[megathon]

are you counting spells? greater heroeism, focusing chant?

I can get a 73 when adding Human versatility skills IV, greater heroism, and Focusing chant.

[Aashrym]

Doesn't Remove Curse come in wand form? If it does I think that Deep Slumber would be a far better lv3 spell than remove curse to keep slotted with the upcoming changes.

3rd level spells are actually pretty tight on a bard no matter what, anyway.

I have Deep Slumber, Crushing Despair, Haste, Displacement, and currently Fear in my 3rd level slots on Lamma. I can`t see myself giving up the first 4 spells these days and that last slot is a relatively tough choice on Fear, Slow, or Good Hope.

Some bards like having curing spells too. This issue with wands, pots, and scrolls is inventory space. I wouldn`t mind 3 more backpack tabs just for those.

[NaturalHazard]

hey what do you use for your 6 charisma skills shroud item?

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

hey what do you use for your 6 charisma skills shroud item?

http://ddocrafting.com/crafting_imag...EA-EEA-EEA.jpg

The set I show possesses lightening guard, its dual shard.

However the exact same item can be made without lightening guard, requiring just one shard. That's what I personally use. If you tend to DPS more, go for the guard, if not, go single shard.

[Rydin_Dirtay]

http://ddocrafting.com/crafting_imag...EA-EEA-EEA.jpg

The set I show possesses lightening guard, its dual shard.

However the exact same item can be made without lightening guard, requiring just one shard. That's what I personally use. If you tend to DPS more, go for the guard, if not, go single shard.

Hmm. I was considering going with Concordant Opp goggles. But you made triple air? Do you not like Conc Opp on a ss bard?

[Valindria]

Hmm. I was considering going with Concordant Opp goggles. But you made triple air? Do you not like Conc Opp on a ss bard?

Conc Op are better on a bard but you can get not +6 skills. You can get +5 CHA skills + something + Conc Op which is the way to go IMO. However if you subscribe to the "I need to max Haggle, even if there are things that help me more in combat" theory then you will not be able to live without the +6 skills and need to make one at least as a swap.

Edit: or make a conc op HP item with a +6 skills item.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Hmm. I was considering going with Concordant Opp goggles. But you made triple air? Do you not like Conc Opp on a ss bard?

There are so many more ways to craft now then when I originally built Mississippee. There are many more bard-friendly items now as well. The way you play your bard, and the gear you own or are willing to farm or buy will dictate how you craft. 3x air was the 1st greensteel item I made on Miss. Why? It took care of three areas in one slot.

Max haggle
Max cha
Spellpoints for CC and healing

I still think its a very good item. However, if you are building for DPS as well, then a conop item with +5 cha skills is certainly the way to go. Miss just so heavily used CC that there was no need to go DPS most of the time. I have recently changed a few things so I am DPSing more, giving me enough benefit to consider conop.

Do I like con op? Love it on the right toon. The more often you melee, the better you utilize conop. Miss is often out of melee range healing and CCin. So on Miss, its a tossup.

[Rydin_Dirtay]

I still think its a very good item. However, if you are building for DPS as well, then a conop item with +5 cha skills is certainly the way to go. Miss just so heavily used CC that there was no need to go DPS most of the time. I have recently changed a few things so I am DPSing more, giving me enough benefit to consider conop.

I am doing the same -- I am trying to get my capped spellsinger's melee dps up. It is poor at the moment.

And one thing I have noticed in parties she joins lately...many of those parties need another dps'er, for whatever reason. It would be nice if she could do it, just a little. Masters Touching a GS Falchion...is that a possibility?

[Splotto]

I am doing the same -- I am trying to get my capped spellsinger's melee dps up. It is poor at the moment.

And one thing I have noticed in parties she joins lately...many of those parties need another dps'er, for whatever reason. It would be nice if she could do it, just a little. Masters Touching a GS Falchion...is that a possibility?

Yes. My SS has a LitII GreatAxe (and a stable of all other greataxes - smiting, banishing, etc). I use masters touch and swing away.