Haggle Bard - Mississippi Queen

[BoBoDaClown]

hate joining groups and getting "your not a warchanter?" and you get the feeling that people are looking at you like your something naughty that the dog has done on the carpet.

never really had that tbh

[Backley]

FYI: Guild General Vendor still costs 5x more for normal repairs (was supposed to be fixed in Update 7).

Also, they just stealth-nerfed the Sell rate (again). Was originally 16.5% when Update 5 came out, then 14% with Update 5.1, now 10% with Update 7.

It is now better to sell to a barkeep in the Harbor (or anywhere else you have done the favor reward).

DON'T SELL OR REPAIR AT THE GUILD GENERAL VENDOR IN HOUSE K.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

FYI: Guild General Vendor still costs 5x more for normal repairs (was supposed to be fixed in Update 7).

Also, they just stealth-nerfed the Sell rate (again). Was originally 16.5% when Update 5 came out, then 14% with Update 5.1, now 10% with Update 7.

It is now better to sell to a barkeep in the Harbor (or anywhere else you have done the favor reward).

DON'T SELL OR REPAIR AT THE GUILD GENERAL VENDOR IN HOUSE K.

Wow thank you for this information Backley. Very appreciative for your efforts, regardless of the fact that I don't like a word of it.

+1

[Backley]

*beats the General Vendor with a training dummy* BAD VENDOR, BAD!

Sorry about that, it sounds like something reverted. We'll whip the guild vendor into submission yet!

So, that will be fixed, sometime.

[Zachski]

You know, I've thought about this for a long time, but...

One thing I haven't ever seen discussed on caster forums is the U5 level 1 spell that was added, Sonic Blast (or some such)

Basically acting as a single-target Soundburst.

Is this a yay or nay spell?

I ask here because it's a sonic-based spell, so it seems Bards would be more interested, Spellsingers most so.

In more on-topic news, I think I'll give the Queen (though for me, that means something ENTIRELY different, lol) another go. To Khyber!

[Jiirix]

FYI: Guild General Vendor still costs 5x more for normal repairs (was supposed to be fixed in Update 7).

Also, they just stealth-nerfed the Sell rate (again). Was originally 16.5% when Update 5 came out, then 14% with Update 5.1, now 10% with Update 7.

It is now better to sell to a barkeep in the Harbor (or anywhere else you have done the favor reward).

DON'T SELL OR REPAIR AT THE GUILD GENERAL VENDOR IN HOUSE K.

+1 from me too, I hadnt noticed by myself. Is there a thread addressing the stealth nerf of the guild vendor, beside this one? Others surly want to know too.
EDIT: Never mind, here it is: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=280998

[Nephilia]

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LifeBuyer DeathMonger
Level 20 True Neutral Human Female 
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 200 
Spell Points: 975 

BAB: 15/15/20/2525 
Fortitude: 9 
Reflex: 11 
Will: 11 

              Starting    Feat/Enhancement 
Abilities    Base Stats    Modified Stats 
(32 Point)    (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Strength           16                18 
Dexterity           8                 8 
Constitution       14                16 
Intelligence        8                 8 
Wisdom              8                 8 
Charisma           18                31 

Tomes Used 
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 
 
              Starting      Feat/Enhancement 
             Base Skills  Modified Skills 
Skills       (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Balance            3              22 
Bluff              4              10 
Concentration      6              30 
Diplomacy          4              12 
Disable Device     n/a            n/a 
Haggle             8              42 
Heal               -1             -1 
Hide               -1             -1 
Intimidate         4              10 
Jump               7              27 
Listen             -1             -1 
Move Silently      -1             -1 
Open Lock          n/a            n/a 
Perform            8              33 
Repair             -1             -1 
Search             -1             -1 
Spot               -1             -1 
Swim               3              4 
Tumble             n/a            n/a 
Use Magic Device   8              35 
 
Level 1 (Bard) 
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell 
Feat: (Human Bonus) Spell Focus: Enchantment 
 
Level 2 (Bard) 
 
Level 3 (Bard) 
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration 
 
Level 4 (Bard) 
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I 
Enhancement: Human Versatility I 
Enhancement: Human Versatility II 
Enhancement: Bard Concentration I 
Enhancement: Bard Concentration II 
Enhancement: Bard Haggle I 
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I 
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I 
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II 
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I 
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I 
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery I 
 
Level 5 (Bard) 
 
Level 6 (Bard) 
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell 
 
Level 7 (Bard) 
 
Level 8 (Bard) 
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II 
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I 
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song II 
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration I 
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II 
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II 
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery II 
 
Level 9 (Bard) 
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration 
 
Level 10 (Bard) 
 
Level 11 (Bard) 
 
Level 12 (Bard) 
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment 
Enhancement: Barrd Spellsinger I 
Enhancement: Human Versatility III 
Enhancement: Bard Haggle II 
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III 
 
Level 13 (Bard) 
 
Level 14 (Bard) 
 
Level 15 (Bard) 
Feat: (Selected) Negotiator 
 
Level 16 (Bard) 
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV 
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration II 
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III 
Enhancement: Bard Charisma III 
 
Level 17 (Bard) 
 
Level 18 (Bard) 
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Haggle 
 
Level 19 (Bard) 
 
Level 20 (Bard) 
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy 
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I 
Enhancement: Bard Haggle III 
Enhancement: Bard Haggle IV 
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration III

And what do u think about mine??
It's a full CC/haggle build ^_^
(there are two point Left for SpellSinger II) ^_^
U think it could be usefull or just silly?

[Backley]

Everyone note that Update 7 removed the Bard: Haggle racial enhancement line and created a new Skill: Haggle enhancement line.

The result should be the same, but you have to go reset your enhancements and add the new version. The old version has been removed from you without refunding the AP.

So, you will be down 4 Haggle until you go reset and redo your enhancements.

[Nephilia]

Everyone note that Update 7 removed the Bard: Haggle racial enhancement line and created a new Skill: Haggle enhancement line.

The result should be the same, but you have to go reset your enhancements and add the new version. The old version has been removed from you without refunding the AP.

So, you will be down 4 Haggle until you go reset and redo your enhancements.

Ah ok, i didn't know that ^_^
I create this build yesterday getting inspiration from this beautiful and interesting thread
So no problem!! I've spent nothing yet, fortunately

What about utility in dungeons?

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Ah ok, i didn't know that ^_^
I create this build yesterday getting inspiration from this beautiful and interesting thread
So no problem!! I've spent nothing yet, fortunately

What about utility in dungeons?

Some simple tips:

Your best weapons are crowd control. Hypnotise and Soundburst are awesome at low level. Hypnotise you can still hit in mid and high level. Otto's at close range is sweet. Fascinate will work out of the box.

Keep experimenting with stacking your CC. Due to arcane spell failure keep your armor to no higher than light.

You can go "sword and board" in the beginning. Seek out the best potency/devotion/spell pen weapons & gear for each level..

Finally seek out good staffs to melee with. Masters touch + martial weapons might be lethargic or not depending on your PC and patience. Me personally I threw so much CC around that I rarely bothered with weapons in early/mid levels.

Stay constantly busy, utilizing your mana for relentless cc and healing. Learn to multitask. Your UMD will allow you to carry all sorts of wands & scrolls to heal/cure the party. Staying well stocked on all these essentials will elevate your value in groups. Cant tell you how many times I out-healed the clerics.

You'll be able to acquire a vorpal, paralizer, cursespuing, shattermantle, descruction weapons. You'll want to find/purchase burst/puncture picks for autocrit mobs. Hold Monster will put many mobs in an autocrit state. My casting and melee game with Mississippe is simple. Handicap the opposing team. Make the quest easy for the cleric/FvS. If you are feeling froggy, you can solo heal most quests if that's something that suites your style.

Good luck!!!

[Nephilia]

Some simple tips:

Your best weapons are crowd control. Hypnotise and Soundburst are awesome at low level. Hypnotise you can still hit in mid and high level. Otto's at close range is sweet. Fascinate will work out of the box.

Keep experimenting with stacking your CC. Due to arcane spell failure keep your armor to no higher than light.

You can go "sword and board" in the beginning. Seek out the best potency/devotion/spell pen weapons & gear for each level..

Finally seek out good staffs to melee with. Masters touch + martial weapons might be lethargic or not depending on your PC and patience. Me personally I threw so much CC around that I rarely bothered with weapons in early/mid levels.

Stay constantly busy, utilizing your mana for relentless cc and healing. Learn to multitask. Your UMD will allow you to carry all sorts of wands & scrolls to heal/cure the party. Staying well stocked on all these essentials will elevate your value in groups. Cant tell you how many times I out-healed the clerics.

You'll be able to acquire a vorpal, paralizer, cursespuing, shattermantle, descruction weapons. You'll want to find/purchase burst/puncture picks for autocrit mobs. Hold Monster will put many mobs in an autocrit state. My casting and melee game with Mississippe is simple. Handicap the opposing team. Make the quest easy for the cleric/FvS. If you are feeling froggy, you can solo heal most quests if that's something that suites your style.

Good luck!!!

Thanks for the tips
I had a bard lv 20 (Sergarrick Bardrow of Ghallanda) and it was an hybrid build... good CC, discrete melee good Charisma but nothing really maxed up
Now i'm playing with a friends of mine (i made her a TWF-DROW-WC) and this one i think should be a good supporter to her

I know pretty well how to play a bard (as said i had one until few days ago) but i really dunno if the Haggle-CC bard i made could be really effective on high level or, even, on epics.
I think that my CHA (i should easily reach 44) and my perform must put me in a irresistible fascinate condition, but i'm not sure about that.
My doubt come from the missed +attack/+damage on my songs.
Unfortunatly, due to the gaming-mode i choose to act with this toon, i was almost forced to drop em, so i really dunno if this build, that surely shall be real funny to play, could be even effective.
What do u think about that?
Thanks in advice and anyway thanks to u Guitargod for inspiration i had from your thread

About equipment... i want a holy/+1 exc cha/+2exc cha GS (not Char 6 on tier 1 cause i've a lot of epic stuff and i think i can easily craft a +7 item ) !
+6 and lot of mana GS item and another one that gimme the 45hp and some useless skill and guard
For melee the best staff i can think about is surely an unlocked Dreamspitter (good sinergy with autocrit)
Napkin for sure.

About other items to use i've no idea O_O
What do u suggest me?? ^^
Thanks again a lot ^^

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

What do u suggest me?? ^^ Thanks again a lot ^^

Well, for you I'd roll a warchanter version of the Queen. That would open up weapon proficiency. I'd go two handed, probably a greataxe or falcion. But if you have TWF drow thing groovin then go with that, but I'd be concerned with your to-hit. Definitely I'd focus in on that, aka invest in the drow dps enhancements.

Pure bard, max Cha. Same stats I used. replace the 2 haggle feats with prereqs for warchanter. Done & Done!

PS: for greensteel options, sky is the limit. All depends on the OTHER gear that you have of course...

Greensteel I like:
- Wiz VI, 150 mana, lightning strike guard, +6 cha skills
- 45 HP / 6 wis / concordant opposition
- anything with guards... love the debuffs: destruction, enervation, etc

also some favs:
Encusted Ring, (Frenzied Berzeker Set bonus / 6 str / +3 ex. str)
Ring: Shintao ring with 20% healing amp
Epic Marilith Chain (Seeker +10 / DR/5 Evil / Evil Guard / -15% Arcane Spell Failure)

Grazie for the very kind words!

[Nephilia]

Well, for you I'd roll a warchanter version of the Queen. That would open up weapon proficiency. I'd go two handed, probably a greataxe or falcion.

Pure bard, max Cha. Same stats I used. replace the 2 haggle feats with prereqs for warchanter. Done & Done!

PS: for greensteel options, sky is the limit. All depends on the OTHER gear that you have of course...

Greensteel I like:
- Wiz VI, 150 mana, lightning strike guard, +6 cha skills
- 45 HP / 6 wis / concordant opposition
- anything with guards... love the debuffs: destruction, enervation, etc

also some favs:
Encusted Ring, (Frenzied Berzeker Set bonus / 6 str / +3 ex. str)
Ring: Shintao ring with 20% healing amp
Epic Marilith Chain (Seeker +10 / DR/5 Evil / Evil Guard / -15% Arcane Spell Failure)

Grazie for the very kind words!

My friend will run the WC so i want to run the CC ^_^
(Good tips about her equip even if i haven't Amrath yet... but i'll put remedy on it XD)
Her DPS (like everyone's DPS) should works pretty well against debuffed, blocked and handicapped mobs, shouldn't it?
So my ideas was to max damage songs on her and max CC (SP, DC and whatever a caster need) to be the most efficient i can ^_^
Is that a bad idea about u?
What i need to know is: my build could be usefull or it's a **** one only good to be dumped like a used napkin XD
(i'm asking that cause i think u surely are more expert than me and i'll trust in your suggestions )

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

What i need to know is: my build could be usefull or it's a **** one only good to be dumped like a used napkin XD
(i'm asking that cause i think u surely are more expert than me and i'll trust in your suggestions )

As for giving you a judgment on the worth of your current bard build, I'd have to see all the stats and feats/enhancements/spells. The magic of a bard is in the subtleties. Since all bards are generalists in a way, it's SO EASY to gimp him/her. It sounds like you have a strong idea of what you want and thats the most important part. The fact you care about this part, is half the battle won!

So, if you post a mock up of your build here, I'll be more than happy to talk specifics, and im sure other's will chime in as well.

[Nephilia]

Here they are

Stats:
(i've lot of money and tomes so i can use a +2 on each stat if needed but let's assume i'll use em only to raise most important!)
Str: 16 (base) + 6 (item) + 2 (tome) = 24 maybe i can raise it if worthed but i think i'll fight most of time with blocked foes so i don't think it's so important (and it's not my role doing damage anyway, or not?) ;)
Cos: 14 (base) + 6 (item) + 2 (tome) = 22 not bad at all and maybe i will raise it up!! Maybe is more usefull, due to my support role, start with 14 str and 16 cons... more life = less white skull on me :P!
Cha: 18 (base) + 6 [item for sure (maybe +7 but let's assume 6)] + 3 (exc: easy to catch on a cheap Pos-Pos-Pos GS!) + 4 (enhancement) + 5 (lv) + 2 (capstone) + 2 (spellsinger chant) + 2 (tome) = 42 easy to have!!!

Feats: 
1)	Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell 
	Feat: (Human Bonus) Spell Focus: Enchantment 
3)	Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration 
6)	Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell 
9)	Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration 
12)	Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment
15)	Feat: (Selected) Negotiator 
18)	Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Haggle

Enhancements: 
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy 
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I 
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Concentration II
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger II  
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery II
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song III
Enhancement: Bard Charisma III
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration III 
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III 
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III 
Enhancement: Bard Haggle IV
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV 

Spells (end game): 
Lv 1: 
	Master's Touch
	Hypnotism
	Focusing Chant
	Otto Resistable Dance
	Charme Person
Lv 2:
	Glitterdust
	Rage
	Soundburst
	Suggestion
	Blur
Lv 3:
	Crushing despair
	Charme
	Displacement
	Haste
	Slow
Lv 4:
	Dimensional Door
	Hold Monster
	Otto's Dance Sphere
	Freedom of Movement
	Cure Critical Wounds
Lv 5:
	Mass Suggestion
	Greater Heroism
	Mind Fog
	Cure Light Wounds, Mass
	Greater Dispell Magic
Lv 6:
	Cure Moderate Wounds, Mass
	Charme Monster, Mass
	Otto's Irresistible Dance
	Greater Shout

[Item]

The Chronosphere raid includes this item:
Battered Marketplace Shield

Includes:
+3 enhancement bonus to Haggle

This stacks with a normal +15 competence bonus item.

[p3n1x0r]

rolled her tonight...let my lady design her looks heh

ive never ran a bard, what gear am i lookin for/at?

all my toons are clerics, fighter,barbs n raners...so my gear is kinda that relm of stuff


just wanted to say hey love the build, what about gear, raid loot etc? i know nothing on bards loot to strive for

ty

[Nephilia]

About U7... Skill enhancement cost has been reduced, I know that!
But it means that each level got now a cost reduced by 1 (so, for example, Haggle 1=1, 2=1, 3=2, 4=3) or each level cost 1 (and in this case Haggle 1=1, 2=1, 3=1, 4=1) ??
It's a silly question, i know, but i've some network issues those days and i can check it by myself!!!
thanks

[sacredguyver]

About U7... Skill enhancement cost has been reduced, I know that!
But it means that each level got now a cost reduced by 1 (so, for example, Haggle 1=1, 2=1, 3=2, 4=3) or each level cost 1 (and in this case Haggle 1=1, 2=1, 3=1, 4=1) ??
It's a silly question, i know, but i've some network issues those days and i can check it by myself!!!
thanks

All "Improved (Skill)" Enhancements cost 1 AP for each tier, so Improved Haggle I is 1 AP all the way to Improved Haggle 4 at 1 AP.

[Nephilia]

All "Improved (Skill)" Enhancements cost 1 AP for each tier, so Improved Haggle I is 1 AP all the way to Improved Haggle 4 at 1 AP.

Thanks a lot ^_^
In this case i should get back a lot of AP in my HaggleBard (6 for haggle IV + 1 for Conc II) *_____*