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i dont think i ever actually laughed out loud for real until this moment thank you
asked and answered props though seriously it seems like a lot of folks cant see through something as simple as that so you give me some hope in humanity no worries though im sure some other human will come ruin it again soon
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Sorry if this was already asked but, wouldn't a Drow work better? With the more CHA it gets at start.
Again sorry if this has already been asked, I didn't feel like reading 25 pages to find out.
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Originally posted by C-Dog
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck but it's undead, then it's an undead duck.
One can argue that a Drow might make a better Bard (depending on Barding style) due to higher starting CHA, but it is pretty clear that the best Haggler would be a Human due to the HV skill boost. There are many tradeoffs and some of them work on trying to assume how good a CHA tome you will pull by end game (+3 ? or even +4????) due to odd / even CHA stat results.
Both however can be HIGHLY effective in the haggle role.
The best haggle bard however is the one with another Bard and a Monk friend at their beck and call (F2P account anyone?...at least for the bard competence song) since those boosts far overshadow a CHA point or two.
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Not a huge fan of the build for anything other than a haggle bot. It's a badass song though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFhM1XZsh6o
You know what I mean?
Ok read thru whole thread and had a question that was'nt asked. Why did you choose to go true neutral vs neutral good? Is there any reason in regards to gear choice or questing? Was it just personal choice?
And will add enjoyed the read.
i would like to thank for this thread, it is a very nice build and i can tell you i never had so much fun.
GLITTERDUST should be taken as soon as possible, this is one of the best spell Bard do have, it does also blind undeads. best CC honestly, imho better than otto sphere since it does work on undead.
Also i dont see the point taking Spell penetration early, should get focus and greater focus before.
As a rule, you should get a melee hireling on lower level as he will have nice hp, wont dps much, but will mitigate the damage.
Once you get to level 8 Flare is a boomstick... you cant afford to not have him, he'll blast everything (beside taming the flame) and he'll never oom, unless you really a bad manager...
Im actually level 10, it took me less than a week with about 3-4 hour a day on this character.
When you get FoM, it is time to go clean the lower level Elites, as you wont have to bother about being paralyzed and such, and flare will be by your side clearing everything.
Last edited by Halaryel; 05-02-2010 at 02:07 AM.
Yeah, not a lot of flash in the DPS arena (unless you set up your kills), so for some elite/vet types, this toon may only serve the haggle purpose. However I must admit it's a far better healer and CC artist then I ever thought it would be in the beginning of the build, and its those elements which makes the build a blast for me to play, even a year and a half after I built it.
Now as far as the song, PLEASE check out this live version at the 1970 Goose Lake Music Festival. Some say this festival rivaled Woodstock. I don't know about all that, but it was surely a great show. THIS, imo, is BAD ASS. Music today has a lot of thanks to give to these hard rock/blues fusion pioneers in my book...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KszD_...eature=related
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Top flight UMD takes care of any "need" to go neutral good (for weapon/gear choices).
I also use the light & darkness shield when I solo sometimes for a nice boost to my ac. Being neutral opens up the +6 bonus to AC (deflection) and saves.
True neutral the way to go imo... other benefits of true neutral is you can use evil aligned items with out the negative level effect (DQ armor and Litany from Abbot for just 2 examples). And immunity to or reduced damage from alignment-based damage.
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Leslie - Great build. I just reached level 7 and am having a lot of fun with the CC & Buffs on the PUG's I have run with. My UMD is up to 20 so far. I have been the main healer on a few runs, when the Cleric runs out of mana to quick. I have followed your build and wanted to know if you remember what gear you put on your bard in the lower 7-12 levels. I have a +4 CHA ring, and bought the helmet from DDO store that gives +7 Perform and +5 Diplomacy. I have +3 Ogre Power item, an +4 AC bracers. +3 Concentration & Underwater action helmet, and just got the Masters trinket from Delera's run.
What should I be looking for, in the gear area, for this bard?
Thanks again for a great build.
ps. What are rep's ?? I see people talking about them. Is this a way to give positive feedback to an OP ?
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You might find the Store item (Fuzzy Bunny Hat) of some use. It has a hidden feature of giving you a +3 UMD bonus that applies to Wands. (Kinda like the old magician with a rabbit in the hat thing.) Since it only applies to wands, it has limited use. (I have heard it might also apply to scrolls, but have not checked personally on that one and since most of my character that are higher level have a Cartouche which add +3 UMD to all purposes, that is not a major issue.)
IF you want to BOOST you Perform skill in other ways, you can also seek out the Gwylans Sword and the BoneShard Flute from Delara's. One of those (I forget off the top of my head) provides a bonus which is competence, which adds to most enhancement bonuses. You are still in the range where some mobs might save on less than a 20 vs your Perform skill and Fascinate. A bit higher and it will be a 95% success and no worries about small boosts.
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