Haggle Bard - Mississippi Queen

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 01-03-2009, 08:42 AM

Mississippee Queen U19

Link here to the changes I made to Mississippee Queen for the enhancement pass. Feel free to utilize one of the versions below for stat and feat progression, or breeze through our tome here, filled with the who's who in the bard community over the last five years. Then, head over to the enhancements, which really bring out her CC strengths in U19 unlike ever before...

~~~ THE ORIGINAL MISSISSIPPEE QUEEN BARD ~~~

Maybe the most talked about build in DDO that is the LEAST published is the mysterious haggle bard. However, when pushed, many who own a haggle bard will admit to only a 30ish to 40ish haggle skill. Some proper planning can really push the ceiling higher and net some great savings.

A Human, pure bard is the best bet if you are looking to create a "haggle bot". At level 20, you can get your Haggle skill to 85 without ANY "rare" items. Here's the breakdown:

Here's the correct updated math for a level 20, Human, MAX CHA Bard.

STANDING HAGGLE:

23: Ranks
13: Charisma of 36 (I ate a +1 CHA tome)
15: Haggle +15 item
03: Feat: Skill Focus Haggle
02: Feat: Negotiator
04: Enhancement Haggle IV
02: Luck Item from Head of Good Fortune (Reaver's Fate), Staff of Arcane Power (Zawabi's Revenge), Dream Edge (Mindsunder)
06: Greensteel CHA skills +6 item
03: Gem of Haggling (Buy from Guild Crystal Vendor in House Kundarak. Tiny (guild level 10) = +1, Small (guild level 25) = +2, Medium (guild level 45) = +3, Large (guild level 70) = +4)
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+71 Haggle

SELF BUFFS: (I click these BUFFS in this order, longest buff 1st)

04: Greater Heroism
01: Focusing Chant Spell
05: Enhancement (Human Versatility IV)
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+81 Haggle

SITUATIONAL BUFFS:

01: Essence of Seduction (Yugoloth Potion. Purchase potions from Azdaf the Wary in Amrath, Need 75 Yugoloth Favor)
02: Fellow Bard Inspire Competence
02: Monk buff from Monk feat: Walk of the Sun
03: Potion of Eagle's Skill (House Deneith potion, need 1 Ritual Athame)
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TOTAL: +89 Haggle (My personal max haggle.)

Pushing it further: (+90 Haggle with a 38 CHA = +3 CHA tome) (+92 with a 41 CHA = Greensteel +3 CHA weapon)

** To get the +2 inspire competence, you need another bard to sing to you.

** The +3 CHA tome does not drop too often. The Shroud 20th completion rewards might contain this treasured tome.

** Haggle +15 items have been known to drop in Shroud chests.

** Focusing Chant spell is a level 1 Bard spell.

I hate reading about builds loaded with +3 and +4 tomes... a lot of those guys dont even have half of the tomes the build calls for. This toon needs ZERO TOMES, however, even a guaranteed +2 CHA tome (1750 favor) and a +13 haggle item (fairly inexpensive at the auction house) gets your haggle into the high 60's. Not too shabby to get a heck of a deal in and around town, heh?....

Here's my build, about some rich "cajun lady".... a Mississippee Queen....

*** SPELLSINGER Caster Specced ***

Study both the original and the upgraded versions. Leave as is or tinker to satisfaction. No preservatives. 100% fat free. Tested on animals and it works like a charm.

Here's the current day Mississippee Queen. I fit in Spellsinger II rather seamlessly, cutting away some fat along the process. The Cajan Lady finally takes toughness, but leaves in Negotiator and Haggle focus, for a true Queen knows no boundaries accept the ones she purchases at a steep discount!

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Mississippee Queen
Level 20 True Neutral Human Female
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 1075 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 12
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    18
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             18                    30

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               0                    25
Bluff                 4                    10
Concentration         6                    31
Diplomacy             8                    30
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                8                    42
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                 -1                     0
Intimidate            4                    10
Jump                  4                    19
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently        -1                     0
Open Lock            n/a                    n/a
Perform               8                    33
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                 -1                     0
Swim                  3                     4
Tumble                1                     2
Use Magic Device      8                    37

Level 1 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Fascinate
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 2 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Spell (1): Hypnotism
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I


Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Enchantment
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Competence
Spell (1): Otto's Resistable Dance
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Soundburst
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Focusing Chant
Spell (2): Invisibility
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II


Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Suggestion
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger I


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Good Hope
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (2): Suggestion
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Inspire Courage
Spell (3): Haste
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 9 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Greatness
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III


Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (4): Otto's Sphere of Dancing
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III


Level 11 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Improved Haggle I
Enhancement: Improved Haggle II
Enhancement: Improved Haggle III


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment
Feat: (Automatic) Song of Freedom
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger II


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Mind Fog
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Improved Haggle IV


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Negotiator
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Heroics
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (6): Otto's Irresistable Dance
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (5): Mass Suggestion
Spell (1): Remove Fear
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (6): Heroes Feast
Spell (2): Rage
Enhancement: Human Versatility II


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Haggle
Feat: (Automatic) Mass Suggestion
Spell (3): Crushing Despair
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II

Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (6): Mass Charm Monster
Spell (4): Break Enchantment
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration II

Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Greater Dispel Magic
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery IV

** Spells can be taken in the order you prefer to play your bard. Plenty of options here. No worries if you make a mistake or choose to experiment... you can go to a trainer to switch around spells for a handful of plat.

HIT POINTS:

Con 14 + 3 tome + 6 Item + 3 Exceptional + 1 Litany + 1 Human = 28 CON

120 Bard
020 Heroic
010 Draconic
180 Constitution
030 Racial
030 GFL
045 Greensteel item (or get out to Reavers Refuge and make some elemental HP DT armor! Careful these 2 do NOT stack!!)
022 Toughness
020 Minos Helm
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477 Badda bing.

* Greensteel Bracers - Concordiant Opposition (45Hps, +6 WIS)

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28 point build

Strength......... 14
Dexterity......... 8
Constitution... 14
Intelligence...... 8
Wisdom.......... 8
Charisma....... 18

... and just follow the rest of the thread pertaining to the 32 point variety. That's all there is too it!

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114 is max bard haggle in the game. Special thanks to Quickster, TheLallian, and all the other great bards of Eberron proper for doing the maths! (Many of these buffs listed in the next two links however are unrealistic/hypothetical on one toon. What I have posted IS VERY realistic, in fact I've played it for years)

http://myddo.webs.com/hagglebard/index.htm
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=346660

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To convert Mississippi Queen into a convincing melee threat, while maintaining her legendary (and $hiny) cajun quality, simply take these feats instead. With this feat layout you can go Spellsinger, for more spell points, or Warchanter, for better group melee buffs.

Toughness
Extend
Weapon Focus: Slashing
Power Attack
Maximize
Improved Critical: Slashing
Quicken
Heighten

*** SPELLSINGER Melee Specced ***

Debuting finally is Mississippee Queen II, a Spellsinger with much stronger melee, improved healing game, while trimming just 5 haggle and the crowd control feats. The newest Misissippee Queen is a trustworthy raid healer, who can contribute to the party DPS. She boosts party healing and casting through song, as well as boosting the party DPS. She still maintains some crowd control capacity, including fascinate, OID, and adds some sonic punch as well to her repertoire:

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Mississippee Queen II
Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 1046 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 12
Will: 12

                  Starting          
Abilities        Base Stats         
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          
Strength             16             
Dexterity             8             
Constitution         14             
Intelligence          8             
Wisdom                8             
Charisma             18             

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    23
Bluff                 4                     9
Concentration         6                    32
Diplomacy             4                    32
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                8                    36
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                 -1                     0
Intimidate            4                     9
Jump                  6                    16
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently        -1                     0
Open Lock            n/a                    n/a
Perform               8                    32
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                 -1                     0
Swim                  3                     4
Tumble                0                     1
Use Magic Device      8                    36

Level 1 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Perform (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Fascinate
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Spell (1): Master's Touch
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 2 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Spell (1): Focusing Chant
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Competence
Spell (1): Otto's Resistable Dance
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Glitterdust
Spell (2): Blur
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Sonic Blast
Spell (2): Rage
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II


Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Suggestion
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger I


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (3): Haste
Spell (3): Good Hope
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Inspire Courage
Spell (3): Displacement
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 9 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Greatness
Enhancement: Improved Haggle I
Enhancement: Improved Haggle II
Enhancement: Improved Haggle III


Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III


Level 11 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Otto's Sphere of Dancing
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Song of Freedom
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger II
Enhancement: Improved Haggle IV
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Hold Monster
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Mass Suggestion
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Heroics
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Spell (5): Mind Fog
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (6): Otto's Irresistable Dance
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration I


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (6): Heroes Feast
Spell (2): Invisibility
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Mass Suggestion
Spell (3): Remove Curse
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (6): Greater Shout
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV


Level 20 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Shadow Walk
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy

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So, dont let anyone call your toon "just a hagglebot," because she is a full blown Spellsinger who can heal alongside the cleric and has the UMD to use just about any weapon or scroll in the game usable by a bard.)

So, how will you outfit your Ivana Trump of Eberron proper? Would you change any feats/enhancements?

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TABLE OF CONTENTS (Including great data from the DDO Bard Community):

Spell Pen/Spell DC math Understanding the difference between Spell Penetration and Spell DC
A look at UMD
Does Haggle Matter?
House D Collectors boost to CHA
How Bard Buffs Work
What's a Bard without a Song?
How to Gear & Play at early levels: 1 2
How to Profit mailing gear to your Haggle Bard
Why I chose the spells I did
14 Con = 477 HP with some work
100 Haggle Breakdown
The U9 spell cost change
Suggested feat layout - post MotU

**Wizzly_Bear** · 01-03-2009, 08:59 AM

i used to do a spellsinger healing hagglebot, but it is insanely boring and gimped. i much prefer my warchanter version.

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Level 16 Neutral Good Human Male
(16 Bard) 
Hit Points: 166 (with equip mine has 272 hp atm)
Spell Points: 625 (mine has 800 atm)
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 7
Reflex: 11
Will: 18
                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             13                    13
Dexterity            13                    13
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             18                    26
                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               5                    20
Concentration         6                    21
Diplomacy             8                    29
Haggle                8                    36
Perform               8                    27
Use Magic Device      8                    27

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness

Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons

Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality

Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell

Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Negotiator

Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Haggle

Level 16 (Bard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV
Enhancement: Warchanter I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Bard Haggle IV
Enhancement: Bard Charisma III

and you can get higher than a 72 haggle

19 ranks
16 42 charisma
03 sf:haggle
02 negotiator
15 haggle item
02 head of good fortune
01 focusing chant
02 inspire competence
04 grt hero
03 house d pot
04 bard haggle 4
05 HV 4
06 shroud item
02 monk buff
==========
84 haggle

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 01-03-2009, 09:27 AM

** ORIGINAL VERSION FOR REFERENCE (Current version of Mississippee Queen is the top post) **

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Mississippee Queen
Level 20 True Neutral Human Female
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 180
Spell Points: 926 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 11
Will: 11

                  Starting          
Abilities        Base Stats         
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          
Strength             16             
Dexterity             8             
Constitution         14             
Intelligence          8             
Wisdom                8             
Charisma             18             

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    22
Bluff                 4                     9
Concentration         6                    28
Diplomacy             4                    22
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                8                    41
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate            4                     9
Jump                  7                    16
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform               8                    31
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     3
Tumble               n/a                    0
Use Magic Device      8                    34

Level 1 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Perform (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Spell Focus: Enchantment
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Enhancement: Bard Concentration I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery I


Level 2 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Hypnotism
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I


Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Spell (1): Otto's Resistable Dance
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Soundburst
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Enhancement: Bard Concentration II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Focusing Chant
Spell (2): Invisibility
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II


Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger I


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Good Hope
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (2): Suggestion
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Haste
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration I


Level 9 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Bard Haggle I
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration II


Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (4): Otto's Sphere of Dancing


Level 11 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Bard Charisma III


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment 
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery II


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration III


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Mind Fog
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery III


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Negotiator
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Bard Haggle II


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (6): Otto's Irresistable Dance
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (5): Mass Suggestion
Spell (1): Remove Fear
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Glitterdust
Spell (6): Heroes Feast
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Haggle
Spell (3): Crushing Despair
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery IV


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Break Enchantment
Spell (6): Mass Charm Monster
Enhancement: Bard Haggle III


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Greater Dispel Magic
Enhancement: Bard Muscial Prodigy
Enhancement: Bard Haggle IV

Enhancements:

Bard Specialty: Spellsinger
Bard Inspire Attack I
Bard Inspire Damage III
Bard Song Magic II
Bard Energy of Music II
Bard Lyric of Song I
Bard Haggle IV
Bard CHA III
Bard Improved Spell Penetration III
Human Adaptability I: CHA
Human Versatility IV
Concentration II (need to take it for spellsinger specialty)
Wand and Scroll Mastery IV
Capstone: Bard Musical Prodigy

Be sure to take all the Spellsinger pre-req enhancements first, so that at level 6 you can attain the Spellsinger enhancement.

Originally Posted by Wizzly Bear

i used to do a spellsinger healing hagglebot, but it is insanely boring and gimped. i much prefer my warchanter version.

Thank you for the input. I actually built a warchanter first, and was bored! He couldnt even come close to the DPS of my fighter and he was pretty gimped at healing. I decided I definately wanted to be much stronger at healing. A strong healing bard can be a huge help to a struggling cleric.

However, I really appreciate your post because you show that a warchanter can actually haggle!!

Warchanters play an important role in improving the DPS of the party, and really dont get the credit they deserve by the masses. Nice build.

I also appreciated the math for the max haggle. I didnt list max though because I wanted to show how achievable it was to get into the high 60s/low70s.

2 questions. how did u get 19 ranks? Also can you break down the 42 CHA...? thanks

**Wizzly_Bear** · 01-03-2009, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by LeslieWest_GuitarGod

Thank you for the input. I actually built a warchanter first, and was bored!

def gimped and boring compared to a real tank, but much less boring than haggling spellsinger imo.

Originally Posted by LeslieWest_GuitarGod

I also appreciated the math for the max haggle. I didnt list max though because I wanted to show how achievable it was to get into the high 60s/low70s. On second thought, let me update my post with your math.. jood job

mine that i just got capped and only has a +1 cha tome, +13 item, and no head, abbot trinket, etc works a 63 haggle with no house d pots, monk buff, or inspire competence. he sells for 3 times as much as my cleric iwth no haggle.
edit: also no shroud items yet

**Aranticus** · 01-03-2009, 09:37 AM

pure human bard

cha: 18+4(lvl)+3(tome)+4(enh)+9(shroud)+3(pot) = 41

haggle
base: 19
cha: 15
item: 15
pot: 3
enh: 4
HV: 5
luck: 2
GH: 4
feats: 5
chant: 1
shroud: 6
total: 79 self buffed

**Wizzly_Bear** · 01-03-2009, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Aranticus

cha: 18+4(lvl)+3(tome)+4(enh)+9(shroud)+3(pot) = 41

+1 abbot trinket = 42

Originally Posted by Aranticus

haggle
base: 19
cha: 15
item: 15
pot: 3
enh: 4
HV: 5
luck: 2
GH: 4
feats: 5
chant: 1
shroud: 6
total: 79 self buffed

80 max self buffed, 84 max

**Aranticus** · 01-03-2009, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Wizzly Bear

+1 abbot trinket = 42

80 max self buffed, 84 max

using trinket means you cannot use head of good fortune

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 01-03-2009, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Aranticus

using trinket means you cannot use head of good fortune

good catch!

Ok can we post the +9 CHA recipe for the greensteel item? I thought it was just a +3 exceptional bonus item, which stacks with another +6 CHA item in your possession...

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 01-03-2009, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Wizzly Bear

def gimped and boring compared to a real tank, but much less boring than haggling spellsinger imo.

We can agree to disagree. See this build is not about front line excitement. I leave the killing to my other toons. This is a build that specializes in offering support in the heat of battle. I can inspire, buff, debuff, dispell, cure, heal, raise, disable the enemy AND get some of the best deals around town! I increase the likelihood we finish a tough quest or raid. When I dont want to just kill crapp, this gal fills a heck of a useful role. Actually several different roles. This is my "Chillll toon"

**Aranticus** · 01-03-2009, 10:37 AM

i went triple positive on my longsword. +6 cha on tier 1, +1 ex cha on 2 and +2 ex cha on 3. oh my bard is retired until cap increases

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 01-03-2009, 10:45 AM

so a +8 CHA on 1 item. impressive.

However if you make the +3 exceptional CHA bonus green steel item, and you put a +6 item in another slot, that gets you a +9 CHA bonus. So i guess its a matter of havin the room.

**Lithic** · 01-03-2009, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by LeslieWest_GuitarGod

so a +8 CHA on 1 item. impressive.

However if you make the +3 exceptional CHA bonus green steel item, and you put a +6 item in another slot, that gets you a +9 CHA bonus. So i guess its a matter of havin the room.

You misunderstand. Tier 1 of a weapon can be a +6 charisma. This is like any other stat bonus, so it wont stack with +6 charisma cloak or helms for example.

Tier 2 is +1 exceptional cha

Tier 3 is a +2 exceptional cha.

These all stack to give you +9 cha on one weapon. I have a similar shortsword on my haggler.

**Aranticus** · 01-03-2009, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by lesliewest_guitargod

so A +8 Cha On 1 Item. Impressive.

However If You Make The +3 Exceptional Cha Bonus Green Steel Item, And You Put A +6 Item In Another Slot, That Gets You A +9 Cha Bonus. So I Guess Its A Matter Of Havin The Room.

+6+1+2 = +9

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 01-03-2009, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Aranticus

+6+1+2 = +9

This is what happens when your math teacher is reaaaaally HOT!

HEEHEHE... No seriously, I forgot that the +1 and +2 exceptional bonus stacks.

I will definitely make this item then.

**Wizzly_Bear** · 01-03-2009, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Aranticus

using trinket means you cannot use head of good fortune

doh!

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 01-03-2009, 11:54 AM

Really good conversation so far... keeping on target.

Remember, the concept of this build is to build the BEST haggle with the LEAST amount of resources... all while being able to perform her duties on the battlefield. My true goal is to show that every guild can have a haggle bard of at LEAST 65 (and without taking a year and a day to build one). What better way to save money on scroll and wands?

What items, besides the +9 CHA green steel item, should be sought?

So far I like:
Belt of Thoughtful Rememberance - (Belt) Constitution +5, Concentration +13, Negative Energy Absorption 20%
Gauntlets of Eternity - (Gloves) Heal +13, Repair +13, Devotion VI, Superior Healing Lore, Eternal Faith
Lorrik's Necklace - (Necklace) Lorikk's Champion, Wisdom +6, Wizardry VI, Efficient Metamagic - Empower Healing II

Dragontouched armor - options: (one of each can be "chosen")

Eldritch Runes:
20% Striding
25% Striding
Greater Resists
Stat Skills +3
Deathblock
Fearsome
Heavy Fort
Resistance +5
Lion Heart Proc
Feather Falling
Combustion VII
Greater False Life
Improved False Life
Healing amplification 10%

Tempest Runes:
+6 Stat
+1 Excep Stat
Corrosive Salt Guard
Magma Surge Guard
Efficient Metamagic - Empower Healing 2
Wiz VI
Protection +5
True Seeing
SR 22
Healing Amplification 20%
Crushing Wave(testing to see what it does)
Spell Pen VIII

Sovereign Runes:
Sundering Ooze Guard
Disintegration Guard
Melodic Guard (chance to dance on hit)
Radiance Guard
Enervasion Guard
Earthgrab Guard
Freezing Ice Guard
Air Guard
Destruct
Crippling
Smite (smite on melee attacks)
+4 Insight
+3 Dodge(Not stacking with Chattering Ring)
+4 Natural AC
Greater Elemental Spell power +100 sp(doesnt stack tier 3 shroud sp)
Greater Spell Pen VIII
Resonance VIII
Imp Resonance VIII
Improved Glaciation VIII
Devotion VIII
Potency VIII
Greater Potency VII
Greater Combustion VII
Superior Combustion VII
Tharne's Wrath(Feather Falling)
Glacial Assault(Sup Glaciation VIII)
Lorrik's Defender(Sup Devotion VIII)
Levik's Defender(+5 Insight AC, 30% Threat)
Greater Elemental Energy(+20 hp)
Earthen Guard (procs Stoneskin, caster level 7)

**Tanka** · 01-03-2009, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Wizzly Bear

doh!

Rabbit Gloves, from Threnal chain. +1 Luck.

...Which means HoGF still wins overall, because it's far more attainable than Litany of the Dead.

**LeslieWest_GuitarGod** · 01-04-2009, 04:35 PM

...contemplating on maxing inspire damage. any ideas?

**Wizzly_Bear** · 01-04-2009, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by LeslieWest_GuitarGod

...contemplating on maxing inspire damage. any ideas?

to do that you HAVE to go warchanter instead of spellsinger.

**Tanka** · 01-04-2009, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by LeslieWest_GuitarGod

...contemplating on maxing inspire damage. any ideas?

Originally Posted by Wizzly Bear

to do that you HAVE to go warchanter instead of spellsinger.

A Warchanter has a higher maximum than a Spellsinger/Virtuoso, yes, but that only means the Warchanter has a higher bonus. All three can be maxed out, it's more of a statement of which grants a higher bonus.

Les: Max it. Every point counts in the endgame, and there's little reason not to.

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