sorry the relish is all mine. signed , the hafling.

[Fennario]

What do rangers need sp in part 2 for?

ummm...for spells or something.

Maybe this happened many moons ago on my first ever shroud run.

Maybe I had a cure spell loaded up and used all of my little bit of mana to heal myself while fighting orthons because our cleric was looking for a tree to hug.

Or maybe I didn't shrine after part one and people wanted me to pass out fom and bark and such.

Or maybe I like casting spike growth and getting down on my weed carpet.

Who knows? I don't recall.

Why does it matter?

I was just agreeing with the OP that some players can be jackasses for little or no reason. That's all.

[Kindoki]

Of a fellow guild mate. The person who is being scoundrelized (by name) by the OP is a member of Deathwatch Guard, and an officer. His commission within the Guard is to assist new members in creating stealth characters and learning to solo. As those who solo and stealth know, it takes an unbelievable amount of patience to do this and also lends itself to having very secure opinions about how to do things. While I know our fellow guildmate to run his raids with a strong hand, I have never heard him berate, mumble, or speak ill of any person in those raids. I expect it would take quite an act to bring him anywhere close to such a reaction.

Regardless, as Guard Commander of DWG, if you feel you have been wronged, please feel free to contact me ingame (Gwyar) or via PM. DWG is a group of people who like to have a good time; we don't participate in the drama of Khyber and we don't make the drama of Khyber. If you think that's not the case, please let me know.

[jkm]

sometimes

i do not thinka this word means what you thinka it means

[jkm]

my worst character for the tree is my bard. she has WAAAAY to many spell points.

[seldarin]

Having been there for the run the OP mentioned (it was VoD), how he explained it was a bit off from how it actually went down. The group leader was trying to explain the quest to those who hadn't done it, and said that we didn't need more than one person giving the orders - referring to the quest itself.

FWIW, we reformed and got our completion, and none of the clerics used more than half a stack of heals or a single mana pot

I may be a bit slow on the uptake here, have been told that sometimes lol, but let me see if i get this right. The OP starts off about the Shroud, then mumbles something about blowing thru deleras on his shroud capable toon, which im assuming is some sort of an achievement in itself, based on what he said, only to find out by a later post, no, no, no, it isnt so, it was VOD.

And in another post by someone else that it wasnt a member of the guild that is alleged in the OPs post but a different guild altogether.

So let me see if i get this right, the OP mentioned the wrong quest, the wrong guild, threw a couple of names in there for good measure and things he got some relish for his hotdog?

Hmmmmmmmm, methinks he got something else and it wasnt relish.

If you are going to badmouth someone, or something, might behove you to at least get your facts right, all it does it make you look a bigger tool than you already made yourself out to be :P

Thanks for clearing up what quest it was Itzmezed, we were getting a bit confused thinking there was a portal in the shroud that leads to deleras

[Rog]

i have some peeps that wont group with me owell it there raid no big deal. and i seen screamers in vod then again no big deal to say some people blows a fuse in these quest is a understament but being a sailor can can deal with it try life on a ship with at lest a 100 ****ed off people that missing there loved ones and call them your bosses if you want a bad day but being non miltary i would say smoke a big one/drink some beer and pop a few chill pills if you dont get peed peed by the evil pee people that is.
lunarsong

[nakedfatguy]

i have some peeps that wont group with me owell it there raid no big deal. and i seen screamers in vod then again no big deal to say some people blows a fuse in these quest is a understament but being a sailor can can deal with it try life on a ship with at lest a 100 ****ed off people that missing there loved ones and call them your bosses if you want a bad day but being non miltary i would say smoke a big one/drink some beer and pop a few chill pills if you dont get peed peed by the evil pee people that is.
lunarsong

My brain hurts

[query]

Well, I gots the gravy still!


(And if you're expecting any of this to make sense, why should it when the rest of this thread doesn't? )

[Kawiki]

Try a different server guy. I've rolled a char on Kyber I have gotten up to level 9 so far after playing on Fernia/Ghallanda for +2 years and I can say that the Kyber peeps are a little "excitable". I've had more people drop without reason and no warning, drop in middle of well running quests, and just be generally grumpy in the short time I've been leveling this guy than 2 years on Ghallanda.

I don't know if it's just a lowbie thing or if the highbies are the same. I hope not because I've been attempting to cap at least one char on Kyber.

It is the Khyber lag, it makes us all a *little* "uncentered". In time you will come to understand...

[Ki_Draken_Magus]

Came back to game about a month ago and will be leaving in less than 3 weeks. real pvp... I will more than likely come back off and on, not that it matters to anyone.
That aside.... I came back to this game for the reason that it was actually fun to play.... This is the problem, it is fun to play but there are some people that play in a beyond bad mood and still use voice chat.
I was recently in a shroud where a guy was yelling and swearing in voice because someone stepped on his puzzle. People do not read text or read it correctly. following reinactment is true.
Zantel(me) : don't need to buff quest ent is right here.
Elladaan: I"ll give the orders around here. ( then mumbles in voice for the next 3min. everyone in his guild //the entire party, sits there and just wonders what the hell just happened) I'm sorry elladaan for informing people we were at the ent... then again the relish is all mine.....
I didn't know informing people that are new to the quest that we are at the entrance was orders.... should of let them give more mass buffs.... And yes you are being anal about it, it was the quest ent not actual orders.... No, I will not blow a stack of heal scrolls and 2 mana pots so you can get your completion after that comment.

Mature adventurers are far from mature to the point of mumbling, joining and leaving, refusing to let a player join. talking trash then copy pasting the reply they got after baiting the person. kally and his cronies basically. guy joins my delera's then realises I am zantel and leaves the group without saying anything. (might also be due to his kill count which amounted to 7).... Or maybe he wanted to relish the mage armor he got from house p.... It didn't do anything because he never even got attacked by a wraith... whimps in mature adventurers are not even mature enough to say thier insults at normal volume. And yes I can actually make a dwarf.

if you are in a bad mood don't play , if you really have to play... learn to type.
am I in a bad mood? no, I am tired of people in bad moods using voice chat.

So this mature adventurer gets all setup to run delera's without a healer. he talks all big about how easy it is then doesn't even get to relish a single buff due to me steamrolling the place.

I'm sorry if I hog the relish mature adventurers. I can see how it pains you, well hear actually because you mumble insults in voice.

Wait...are you the cleric that dropped just before we started VOD? I'm not sure what your issue was, but that quest ran like clockwork.

I think you are confusing something Elladan said to one of his other guildmembers, as DWG comprised over 1/2 of the group. Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions and ask for clarification before bailing on the group.

I'm not a member of that guild (Elmon - Lvl 16 Wizard - Malevolent Society) and got picked up for the ride. All I remember is DWG being very patient and answering all my first timer questions about VOD.

[Boldrin]

ummm...for spells or something.

Maybe this happened many moons ago on my first ever shroud run.

Maybe I had a cure spell loaded up and used all of my little bit of mana to heal myself while fighting orthons because our cleric was looking for a tree to hug.

Or maybe I didn't shrine after part one and people wanted me to pass out fom and bark and such.

Or maybe I like casting spike growth and getting down on my weed carpet.

Who knows? I don't recall.

Why does it matter?

I was just agreeing with the OP that some players can be jackasses for little or no reason. That's all.

Lol, don't mind me I'm just a treasure troll, lol. I'd yell at you and tell you to get out of my tree too, silly ranger.

[seldarin]

After rereading the initial post and responses since, im a wee confused.

What was the quest, who were the ppl and how did a totally different guild factor in there. When i initially read the post i got the impression that the group were doing the shroud and that E said something that Z didnt like.

Later in the post i see reference to a member of MACdonalds. Having been a previous employee of MACdonalds i dont remember E as a member. Additionally Z said they then proceeded to steamroll Deleras which i got the impression is an awesome feat at lvl 15-16.

Then other replies come in and i see that E is actually a manager of DWG and that the quest was VOD.

Forgive my confusion but i am still none the wiser as to who said what to whom and which quest they were in.

All i can gather from the initial post it seems that the OP took one too many snorts of crack before posting or playing or both, developed a case of shallowskinitis and thought that some comments came their way. IF it was a mostly guild party, couldve been some guild chat was going on behind the background and wasnt directed at the OP at all.

All i can say is, the OP probably wouldnt like some groups i run, ive been known to let the odd word go from time to time, some serious, some not. Its a game bud, toughen up, dry your eyes, eat more cake and get a grip on reality in a fantasy game

[darkrhavyn]

Well i think i understand his crack induced confusing rant.....He was complainign that ppl on Kyhber are grouchy so hes trying to list examples...
1) person in Shroud yelled at him for steppingon his puzzle
2) New example..leader grouched about him saying that entrance to VoD was right there
3) person joins a Deleras run when hes on an alt..realizes his main is Zantel and then drops

Now how he mixes up MAC and DWG I cant figure out....I can only interpret bad writing not ignorance

[Aranticus]

After rereading the initial post and responses since, im a wee confused.

What was the quest, who were the ppl and how did a totally different guild factor in there. When i initially read the post i got the impression that the group were doing the shroud and that E said something that Z didnt like.

Later in the post i see reference to a member of MACdonalds. Having been a previous employee of MACdonalds i dont remember E as a member. Additionally Z said they then proceeded to steamroll Deleras which i got the impression is an awesome feat at lvl 15-16.

Then other replies come in and i see that E is actually a manager of DWG and that the quest was VOD.

Forgive my confusion but i am still none the wiser as to who said what to whom and which quest they were in.

All i can gather from the initial post it seems that the OP took one too many snorts of crack before posting or playing or both, developed a case of shallowskinitis and thought that some comments came their way. IF it was a mostly guild party, couldve been some guild chat was going on behind the background and wasnt directed at the OP at all.

All i can say is, the OP probably wouldnt like some groups i run, ive been known to let the odd word go from time to time, some serious, some not. Its a game bud, toughen up, dry your eyes, eat more cake and get a grip on reality in a fantasy game

time to time is an UNDERSTATEMENT

[Gawna]

I was in the VoD raid the OP is referring to and the only grumpy person in the party was him.

Elladaan was leading the raid - sometimes his mic gets a little staticky, and as the OP was saying to the new casters, "Don't buff, we're at the entrance," Elladaan said, "I'm going to shrine and give the order," meaning that people are gonna be buffing inside in a certain order (i.e. tanks get Heroes Feast, then rest, etc.). Ella is a fellow officer of mine and he's always big on explaining what's gonna go down, especially to those who are first timers, and that's exactly what he was doing. Ella then went silent for a couple minutes as he was disconnecting. In the meantime, the OP is in party chat saying, "OMG I was only telling them not to buff, are you that anal?" Then "You are so anal I can't even believe it" then "I'm dropping, I can't deal with someone this anal." So, we're at the quest entrance and a cleric drops. Lovely.

Ella then came back from d/c'ing and said, "Who left?" We then relate the story to him and he was totally in the dark about what had gone down and then explained that he was obviously misunderstood. But the OP would never know that because he didn't stick around to hear an explanation or consider that he heard incorrectly. Instead, he decided that Ella was "OMGZ ANAL!!11eleventy" and ditched out.

We all recalled, grabbed a new perfectly pleasant and ungrumpified person and completed and enjoyed our cheddar.

And hello, haven't you guys seen the super awesome teleporting portal in the Shroud that takes you to Delera's?? You know, since Delera's is super tough and you need a lvl 16 raid party to complete.

[Raegoul]

And hello, haven't you guys seen the super awesome teleporting portal in the Shroud that takes you to Delera's?? You know, since Delera's is super tough and you need a lvl 16 raid party to complete.

That's it i am gonna do the Shroud raid until I find that portal to Deleras.

[Rog]

That's it i am gonna do the Shroud raid until I find that portal to Deleras.

mybe my new holy greatsword of dispution will be useful again............
on a side note if you join a raid dont nija drop thats lame i mean really really lame

[Lady_Draconus]

I was in the VoD raid the OP is referring to and the only grumpy person in the party was him.

Elladaan was leading the raid - sometimes his mic gets a little staticky, and as the OP was saying to the new casters, "Don't buff, we're at the entrance," Elladaan said, "I'm going to shrine and give the order," meaning that people are gonna be buffing inside in a certain order (i.e. tanks get Heroes Feast, then rest, etc.). Ella is a fellow officer of mine and he's always big on explaining what's gonna go down, especially to those who are first timers, and that's exactly what he was doing. Ella then went silent for a couple minutes as he was disconnecting. In the meantime, the OP is in party chat saying, "OMG I was only telling them not to buff, are you that anal?" Then "You are so anal I can't even believe it" then "I'm dropping, I can't deal with someone this anal." So, we're at the quest entrance and a cleric drops. Lovely.

Ella then came back from d/c'ing and said, "Who left?" We then relate the story to him and he was totally in the dark about what had gone down and then explained that he was obviously misunderstood. But the OP would never know that because he didn't stick around to hear an explanation or consider that he heard incorrectly. Instead, he decided that Ella was "OMGZ ANAL!!11eleventy" and ditched out.

We all recalled, grabbed a new perfectly pleasant and ungrumpified person and completed and enjoyed our cheddar.

And hello, haven't you guys seen the super awesome teleporting portal in the Shroud that takes you to Delera's?? You know, since Delera's is super tough and you need a lvl 16 raid party to complete.

/signed

I was also in this VoD group. I think Zantel was having a bad day not the quest leader (outside of the DC and mic issues). Its chuckleheads like the OP I don't particularly care to group with. If anyone was anal that night it was Zantel cause he wasn't willing to get all the answers before he rudely dropped group at the enterance to the quest. Ella did a great job leading.

On a side note I want to find that portal to Delara's that is rumored to be in the Shroud. Who's with me?

[Meriadeuc]

I'm very sorry that this incident happened, because I have done raids with Zantel before and always found him to be a capable cleric who is ever up for a challenge (which can be a rare commodity at times).

The OP is correct in that sometimes when in a group I do mutter to myself about what needs to be done - a very bad habit that I try to keep off of voice chat, but sometimes I forget. I was off doing a number of things by myself in the run-up to VOD (because we had so many people new to the raid and I didn't want anyone else following me who would fall down to a lower level and get lost or killed), and so I probably was muttering to myself more than usual.

It was also because we had so many new people that I wanted to control the buffing order in the raid, since I wanted the cleric's and caster's mana to go as far as possible. I hate the fact that clerics are expected to use heaps of scrolls and mana potions in that raid, so I try to do everything to help them get by as much as possible without having to expend resources. I was actually agreeing with Zantel that there was no point in buffing before we went into the raid and that consequently I would explain to everyone the best way to buff once we got in, but apparently he misunderstood my intention, and then I had my usual connection problems resulting from my useless DSL, so I wasn't able to clarify.

In any case, no hard feelings on my part, and I hope that there won't be any lasting hard feelings on the part of the OP either.

[Shoal]

I'm very sorry that this incident happened, because I have done raids with Zantel before and always found him to be a capable cleric who is ever up for a challenge (which can be a rare commodity at times).

The OP is correct in that sometimes when in a group I do mutter to myself about what needs to be done - a very bad habit that I try to keep off of voice chat, but sometimes I forget. I was off doing a number of things by myself in the run-up to VOD (because we had so many people new to the raid and I didn't want anyone else following me who would fall down to a lower level and get lost or killed), and so I probably was muttering to myself more than usual.

It was also because we had so many new people that I wanted to control the buffing order in the raid, since I wanted the cleric's and caster's mana to go as far as possible. I hate the fact that clerics are expected to use heaps of scrolls and mana potions in that raid, so I try to do everything to help them get by as much as possible without having to expend resources. I was actually agreeing with Zantel that there was no point in buffing before we went into the raid and that consequently I would explain to everyone the best way to buff once we got in, but apparently he misunderstood my intention, and then I had my usual connection problems resulting from my useless DSL, so I wasn't able to clarify.

In any case, no hard feelings on my part, and I hope that there won't be any lasting hard feelings on the part of the OP either.

Very classy response. An excellent spot for me to stop rubber-necking at the weekend's forum wrecks on a positive note.