Reconsider Silver flame healing pots re wf.

[Nick_RC]

So ground out 320 points of silver flame favour today on my wf barb - only to find the healing penalty affected warforged. With the viscious effects and a bad rap coming from being WF anyway we go to lengths to make us more self sufficient and we take the healing penalty? give us a break.

Please fix this. it is complete and utter nonsence.

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[branmakmuffin]

So ground out 320 points of silver flame favour today on my wf barb - only to find the healing penalty affected warforged. With the viscious effects and a bad rap coming from being WF anyway we go to lengths to make us more self sufficient and we take the healing penalty? give us a break.

Please fix this. it is complete and utter nonsence.

Wait, is this the 50% "cure penalty" that affects Warforged?

I may be going out on a limb, here, but don't WF get, like, heaps of bonuses which more than offset that restriction?

[Lifespawn]

Wait, is this the 50% "cure penalty" that affects Warforged?

I may be going out on a limb, here, but don't WF get, like, heaps of bonuses which more than offset that restriction?

this isn't creation tho this is alot of favor to grind and i don't see the problem with making it non restricted are wf less devout to the silver flame?

/signed and i don't even have wf that would benefit from this

[Lithic]

Considering the penalties of these items (both cost and time spent helpless), i don't think it would be a big deal to change them. Not sure it's worth the effort though.

[branmakmuffin]

this isn't creation tho this is alot of favor to grind and i don't see the problem with making it non restricted are wf less devout to the silver flame?

No, but they are Warforged, who are 50% "resistant" to fleshie cure spells. Devoutness has nothing to do with it. It has to do with WF physiology.

Sounds like you and any others advocating this want WF to be able to have their cake and eat it too. Anyone who doesn't like it, quit the game or stop playing WF.

[Blazer]

Wait, is this the 50% "cure penalty" that affects Warforged?

I may be going out on a limb, here, but don't WF get, like, heaps of bonuses which more than offset that restriction?

Plus, if Nick's talking about those pots you get for 400+ favor (which I believe he is) there is already a penalty for taking those. The high end ones hit you with -10 to all stats, skill, and saves for 30 seconds and cast Slow on you.

[Draccus]

I've never played a warforged and, quite frankly, never would, as I think they look pretty goofy. But I did take a peak at the stats for a WF. Wow.

So which of these would you be willing to give up in order to be healed like the other races who get none of this:

Immunity to poison
Immunity to disease
Immunity to paralysis
Immunity to exhaustion
Immunity to nausea
+2 AC bonus

Wow!

[Draclaud]

I've never played a warforged and, quite frankly, never would, as I think they look pretty goofy. But I did take a peak at the stats for a WF. Wow.

So which of these would you be willing to give up in order to be healed like the other races who get none of this:

Immunity to poison
Immunity to disease
Immunity to paralysis
Immunity to exhaustion
Immunity to nausea
+2 AC bonus

Wow!

Can't be level drained...

[Nick_RC]

Brancake - grinding 400 favour means doing ALL the silver flame quests in the game bar 1-2. It is a grind and a time sink. One race should not be penalised for a Favour grind. Regular healing etc i have no problem ***.

If u in all ur roleplaying goodness dont think it thematically fits then give us oil or somesuch. It is nonsence. There is a penalty in built in the potions themselves.

They are definately worth if for a 600hp barb potting up all the way for 30 seconds to all the doubters. Most people will only have 2 stats tatl drop below 10 - and for that a cheap stat pot(eagles splendour etc) will take care of that.

[Nick_RC]

I've never played a warforged and, quite frankly, never would, as I think they look pretty goofy. But I did take a peak at the stats for a WF. Wow.

So which of these would you be willing to give up in order to be healed like the other races who get none of this:

Immunity to poison
Immunity to disease
Immunity to paralysis
Immunity to exhaustion
Immunity to nausea
+2 AC bonus

Wow!

Dude ur missing the point. Its a FAVOUR GRIND. Why should one race be penalised for doing as much work as all the rest?

[Galacticus]

You would figure that Silver Flame has WF followers too...Silver Flame Oil of Repair?



/signed

[nbhs275]

I've never played a warforged and, quite frankly, never would, as I think they look pretty goofy. But I did take a peak at the stats for a WF. Wow.

So which of these would you be willing to give up in order to be healed like the other races who get none of this:

Immunity to poison <which can easily be gained from wands, potions, be cast, found on items, on monk and paladins, and clickies>
Immunity to disease<Which can be found on wands potions, clickies, items, from monk and paladin or be cast
Immunity to paralysis< potions, spells, items, class abilities, and there is also only 2-3 situations where this is ever an issue>
Immunity to exhaustion < which isn't constant. They become exausted just like anyone else from scourge, and can be enfeebled just the same>
Immunity to nausea< same as poison, and is less common, and is a very easy fort save most times>
+2 AC bonus< which is A) less total then fleshies get with Icy, and if your looking for anything more then just the base armor, you need to spend a feat on them. Oh, and did i mention that those body types you spent a feat on are weaker then the equivelent armors fleshies get and there is no WF equivilent for named armors are of any use>


Wow!

Our only real ability that is powerful is our immunity to neg levels...which doesnt seem to stop them from all sources..and that can also be easily replicated with deathward.

Basically, we save ourselves a handful of potions, and get -50% healing...really not all that much of a benefit.

[bandyman1]

/signed.

Complete and utter nonsense.

Bran's frothing at the mouth because he hates WFed, and he's never ground 400 SF favor on any toon.

[Mhykke]

It makes sense that the silver flame, after seeing a WF grind out all that favor, would give that WF a race appropriate oil instead of a potion.

They shouldn't penalize WF players for grinding favor.

[Sabotage]

it Makes Sense That The Silver Flame, After Seeing A Wf Grind Out All That Favor, Would Give That Wf A Race Appropriate Oil Instead Of A Potion.

They Shouldn't Penalize Wf Players For Grinding Favor.

Qft

[Korvek]

It makes sense that the silver flame, after seeing a WF grind out all that favor, would give that WF a race appropriate oil instead of a potion.

How? Sure, they would want to give that WF oil. They quite possibly cannot though.

Generally speaking, I believe the clerics/paladins/members of the Silver Flame cannot brew oils (Yes, they could hire a wizard or sorcerer I suppose, though I have yet to actually see one). It's a Church, which probably means they focus on Divine Spellcasting, rather than Arcane. It just wouldn't seem to fit.

It would be far more thematically appropriate in my opinion if the Twelve were to sell Reconstruction versions, perhaps once you hit around 150-160 The Twelve favor.

[Mhykke]

How? Sure, they would want to give that WF oil. They quite possibly cannot though.

Generally speaking, I believe the clerics/paladins/members of the Silver Flame cannot brew oils (Yes, they could hire a wizard or sorcerer I suppose, though I have yet to actually see one). It's a Church, which probably means they focus on Divine Spellcasting, rather than Arcane. It just wouldn't seem to fit.

It would be far more thematically appropriate in my opinion if the Twelve were to sell Reconstruction versions, perhaps once you hit around 150-160 The Twelve favor.

Yeah, but considering the effort one goes through to achieve the favor, I think it's plausible that the church of the silver flame goes through a little extra effort for one of its champions.

[nbhs275]

How? Sure, they would want to give that WF oil. They quite possibly cannot though.

Generally speaking, I believe the clerics/paladins/members of the Silver Flame cannot brew oils (Yes, they could hire a wizard or sorcerer I suppose, though I have yet to actually see one). It's a Church, which probably means they focus on Divine Spellcasting, rather than Arcane. It just wouldn't seem to fit.

It would be far more thematically appropriate in my opinion if the Twelve were to sell Reconstruction versions, perhaps once you hit around 150-160 The Twelve favor.

A) potions and oils are all the same thing. You can make an oil or potion from nearly any spell of 3rd level or lower.

B) artifacters do most of the crafting in ebberonn, and are able to make just about anything, so no excuse there.

[Draccus]

Our only real ability that is powerful is our immunity to neg levels...which doesnt seem to stop them from all sources..and that can also be easily replicated with deathward.

Basically, we save ourselves a handful of potions, and get -50% healing...really not all that much of a benefit.

Saying that you can gain all those abilities from items is just plain daft. With all those empty slots, you might as well be wearing 4 rings, 2 bracers, and two sets of armor.

[Impaqt]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news here Nick, but I wouldnt use those potions on a Fleshie either.....

THey suck for everyone.. They jsut happen to suck more for WF.

I have no idea why we couldnt just get a nice static 50 or 100pt Cure potion or Oil. Limit purchase to one a day or something like that..... The current Reward is terrible.