extra ring slot at lev 20

[sephiroth1084]

If a spellcaster isn't already virtually a God by level 20, he probably won't get much closer over the course of 6 levels.

Sure epic spells are silly overpowered, but you don't need them to attain that level of brokenness.

I don't agree there. Being able to auto-quicken all of your spells (two 9th lvl spells each round), craft epic level spells, metamagic spells to over 9th level... The jump in power is extreme.

Maybe that's why DDO's casting is so broken...we can already do 2 of the above.

[Aspenor]

I don't agree there. Being able to auto-quicken all of your spells (two 9th lvl spells each round), craft epic level spells, metamagic spells to over 9th level... The jump in power is extreme.

Maybe that's why DDO's casting is so broken...we can already do 2 of the above.

Nice boosts, all true. But not even really necessary, especially if you've got access to the ELH in your campaign. There's a ninth level spell in there called Genesis. If your campaign is entirely RAW, it's just plain sick.

[branmakmuffin]

Ever since Ad&d 79 for the dmg you can only have 1 ring per finger 3.- add ways to get around that but not for most.

Did you mean one ring per hand? If so, what does that have to do with anything?

[Tin_Dragon]

There is also a necklace (artifact) of a dead hand that you can hang around your neck taking your necklace spot and allowing it to hold a 3rd ring for you.

its not an artifact, it just is a dead elf hand tied around your neck, that wears the ring, on your necklace slot.

[nbhs275]

the ebberron feat is open to anyone who already has forge ring. The balancing factor is that most characters at level 8 arent going to have 4 rings available to them that are going to be very powerful, especially when they are part of a group. Where, in DDO, such a factor does not exist.

IMO it sounds like the OP is trying to get a tumbleweed, chattering ring and a third going all at the same time.

[GlassCannon]

the ebberron feat is open to anyone who already has forge ring. The balancing factor is that most characters at level 8 arent going to have 4 rings available to them that are going to be very powerful, especially when they are part of a group. Where, in DDO, such a factor does not exist.

IMO it sounds like the OP is trying to get a tumbleweed, chattering ring and a third going all at the same time.

Or 3 chattering rings, Monk2/Tempest, and an Icy Raiment, to offset the aggro he takes with dual tier3 lightning 2 khopeshes on a build that ate 1 of each +3 tomes to make the numbers just barely work(except STR, LOADS of STR...), the Bloodstone and Tharne's Goggles.... etc, etc etc.

[GlassCannon]

I would personally use a Striding Ring, a Greater Resist Energy ring(Fire, Cold or Lightning... don't have any others), and Ring of Feathers on 3 of my characters... since I can't for the life of me ever pull a named ring over ML 0.

[Aspenor]

the ebberron feat is open to anyone who already has forge ring. The balancing factor is that most characters at level 8 arent going to have 4 rings available to them that are going to be very powerful, especially when they are part of a group. Where, in DDO, such a factor does not exist.

IMO it sounds like the OP is trying to get a tumbleweed, chattering ring and a third going all at the same time.

true, but if you're playing eberron and you're planning on crafting, why on earth would you be ANYTHING but an artificer? Artificers are just plain game-breakingly sick if you know what you're doing and you've got an imagination.

[nbhs275]

true, but if you're playing eberron and you're planning on crafting, why on earth would you be ANYTHING but an artificer? Artificers are just plain game-breakingly sick if you know what you're doing and you've got an imagination.

what, you mean just because at level one you have a bane weapon, can do traps, can drain traps for crafting xp, and by level 12 your a better nuker then the sorcerer or wizard?

[Spisey]

There is also a necklace (artifact) of a dead hand that you can hang around your neck taking your necklace spot and allowing it to hold a 3rd ring for you.

If your thinking the hand of Vecna, you can keep the blasted thing! Not worth the 3rd ring slot......

[Aranticus]

Or 3 chattering rings, Monk2/Tempest, and an Icy Raiment, to offset the aggro he takes with dual tier3 lightning 2 khopeshes on a build that ate 1 of each +3 tomes to make the numbers just barely work(except STR, LOADS of STR...), the Bloodstone and Tharne's Goggles.... etc, etc etc.

you do know that chattering rings do not stack right?

[Issip]

Extra item slots would not be the world's easiest thing to program, IMO.

Pong isn't the easiest thing in the world to program either, but due to competition in the video game market some companies have gone the extra mile and created games much more difficult to program than pong.

[Dracolich]

I'm very afraid of epic levels in DDO. The Epic Levels Handbook for PnP is BROKEN beyond any sort of repair--spellcasters become gods in about 3-6 levels after level 20, while everyone else slowly builds upon their existing power, and fall WAY behind casters. Just to mention one issue with the rules.

How many more ways could a fighter learn to kill somone faster by level 21? A spell caster on the other hand has the universe at their whim to try to control. Fighters just get tougher for other fighters to kill. I agree spell casters are far too powerfull at epic levels but they have always been the late bloomers of D&D clear back to 1st ed when they took more xp just to level then any other class.

Also I dont expect DDO to be much different in Epic levels. After all we have already slayed CR 30 mobs so what else is there?

[Aspenor]

what, you mean just because at level one you have a bane weapon, can do traps, can drain traps for crafting xp, and by level 12 your a better nuker then the sorcerer or wizard?

These, and because you can do anything you want. When I say anything, I mean it.

Artificers not only nuke, but can literally do anything any other class can do, and can do it better. They can craft spell items 2 levels before wizards or clerics can cast the same spell (i.e. Time Stop at level 15). Even at low levels, like you say here, you're walking around with a bane weapon of your selection, automatic magic armor, and skill items for all your main skills (having +5 search and +5 disable goggles at level 5 is uber in PnP) including UMD (+5 UMD item at level 5? get out of town).

Just a short list of an artificer's capabilities:
- self healing (especially if you are warforged)
- arcane spell casting
- divine spell casting
- druid wildshape
- turning undead (a level 20 artificer can theoretically turn undead as if he were a level 35+ cleric)

[akla_thornfist]

getting back to my op for some reason i thought the feat was lev 20 so not epic but close, i will call my brother in law have him dig out the books and find out for sure