Paladin: Defender of Siberys

[Eladrin]

Defender of Siberys I
Prereqs: Level 6 Paladin, Paladin Bulwark of Good I, Paladin Resistance of Good I, Paladin Courage of Good I, Paladin Focus of Good I, Paladin Paladin Armor Class Boost I, and any one of the following: Tower Shield Proficiency, Shield Mastery, or Combat Expertise.
Benefit: Protecting the weak from the depredations of the strong, you become a paragon of defense. This prestige enhancement grants you 2 additional Turn attempts, additional armor class when blocking with a shield, increases the maximum dexterity bonus allowed by tower shields by 1, and the ability to enter a defensive stance or to create a Magic Circle Against Evil effect.

Defender of Siberys I: Defensive Stance
You may expend a Paladin armor boost to become a bastion of defense, gaining a +2 Sacred bonus to Strength and Constitution, a +1 Sacred bonus on all saves, a +2 Dodge bonus to Armor Class, and produce 50% more hate with your melee attacks. While in this stance, you move at one quarter speed.

Defender of Siberys I: Magic Circle
You may expend a turn attempt to produce a Magic Circle Against Evil effect.

Paladin Defender of Siberys II
Prereqs: Level 12 Paladin, Defender of Siberys I, Paladin Bulwark of Good II, Paladin Resistance of Good II, and any of: Paladin Rally I, Paladin Divine Righteousness I, Paladin Toughness II
Benefit: Protecting the weak from the depredations of the strong, you become a paragon of defense. This prestige enhancement grants you an additional Lay on Hands use per rest, 25% increased hate generation, increases the maximum dexterity bonus allowed by tower shields and heavy armor by 1, and the ability to enter an improved defensive stance or to produce a Mass Shield of Faith effect.

Defender of Siberys II: Improved Defensive Stance
You may expend a Paladin armor boost to become a bastion of defense, gaining a +3 Sacred bonus to Strength and Constitution, a +2 Sacred bonus on all saves, a +3 Dodge bonus to Armor Class, and produce 100% more hate with your melee attacks. While in this stance, you move at one third speed.

Defender of Siberys II: Mass Shield of Faith
You may expend a turn attempt to produce a Mass Shield of Faith effect.

Paladin Defender of Siberys III
Prereqs: Level 18 Paladin, Defender of Siberys II, Paladin Bulwark of Good III, Paladin Resistance of Good III, and any Paladin Faith II enhancement.
Benefit: Protecting the weak from the depredations of the strong, you become a paragon of defense. This prestige enhancement increases the strength of all of your defensive auras, increases the maximum dexterity bonus allowed by tower shields and medium or heavy armor by 1, and grants the ability to enter a superior defensive stance or to defy your enemies in a glorious stand against evil.

Defender of Siberys III: Superior Defensive Stance
You may expend a Paladin armor boost to become a bastion of defense, gaining a +4 Sacred bonus to Strength and Constitution, a +3 Sacred bonus on all saves, a +4 Dodge bonus to Armor Class, and produce 200% more hate with your melee attacks. While in this stance, you move at half speed.

Defender of Siberys III: Glorious Stand
You may expend a turn attempt to make a glorious stand against your enemies. For a short duration of time, you gain DR 20/epic, take reduced damage from elemental and negative energy, receive double healing from positive energy, and are immune to secondary effects of attacks such as 'wounding' or 'vorpal'. Each time you take damage, you gain the effects of a Cure Light Wounds spell.

[Tolero]

*singing* oh holy warrior...with magic circle-thingy-against-evil brightly shiiiining....

[Original]

Think I will finally roll a Pally

[The_Phenx]

I sense a rout of paladin intimitanks.

Nice stuff Eladrin.

[Mhykke]

Looks good, but honestly, what's with the Faith II enhancement prereqs? You already require courage of good, focus of good, ac boost, and a feat (along with the other prereqs that most paladins take).

They don't make sense from a connection perspective (why should a paladin defender make sense only if that paladin took the vulkoor faith line, for example), they don't make sense from a game mechanic perspective (requiring these ap's spent on a class that is desperate for ap's, more than most). And now it looks like all Paladin PrE's are going to need Faith II's????

[Impaqt]

-sigh- can we PLEASE get a bump to our actual Intimidate instead of these "Increased hate from Melee Attacks" THing?

[Zenako]

Are the max dex bonuses limits on armor cumulative or do you just expand the range from Tower (6), heavy (12) and finally medium armor (18th)? If so just getting 1 does not seem a great benefit (assuming you have the dex to take advantage of the increased limits). Also since Mithril Full Plate is "medium" you would not get any advantage until 18th? is this the intended result?

[maddmatt70]

How long do the defensive stances last? I am guessing not just 20 secs like a typical armor boost would last? This prestige class looks pretty good if the defensive stance lasts a decent amount of time. The preques are actually less stringent then the hunter of the dead and knights of the chalice paladin prestige enhancements because nearly all defensive pallys will take bulwark of good and the aura saves one isn't a bad one to have.

I was kind of hoping that tempest would have been released there are just so many people out there making builds dependent on 6 or 12 levels of ranger and it would be nice to let those people know what is going to be the right # of levels of ranger to take. Some people may get mad about a change to tempest, but hey the less people that get mad the better and the longer you wait more people will get mad..

[GhostNull]

Hmm, seems so far that all the tier 3 Paladin PrE's will have a Faith II enhancement for a prereq.

For duration, it better not be another "1-minute only" clicky, Paladins have too many of those already.

I am glad to see that the player will be able to move around while in Defensive Stance. Also, will the "hate" that's generated from DS stack with Divine Righteousness?

[ArkoHighStar]

How long do the defensive stances last? I am guessing not just 20 secs like a typical armor boost would last? This prestige class looks pretty good if the defensive stance lasts a decent amount of time. The preques are actually less stringent then the hunter of the dead and knights of the chalice paladin prestige enhancements because nearly all defensive pallys will take bulwark of good and the aura saves one isn't a bad one to have.

I was kind of hoping that tempest would have been released there are just so many people out there making builds dependent on 6 or 12 levels of ranger and it would be nice to let those people know what is going to be the right # of levels of ranger to take. Some people may get mad about a change to tempest, but hey the less people that get mad the better and the longer you wait more people will get mad..

I imagine it is a full stance like combat expertise etc, no timer, but if you break it by say casting as spell, then you must use another turn attempt

[maddmatt70]

-sigh- can we PLEASE get a bump to our actual Intimidate instead of these "Increased hate from Melee Attacks" THing?

I have never liked intimidate in ddo. It really is very unD&D like. You sit there and push a button based on a skill and then some mob then attacks you (intimidate in pnp is a gimpish ability actually). This increased hate is almost more like dnd this is the paladin wielding a shining sword that bad guys hate so much they just want to cut his head off - it makes more sense. I also think there is more skill involved for the player in that they have to attack multiple targets rather then sit there and push a button over and over.

[Angelus_dead]

-sigh- can we PLEASE get a bump to our actual Intimidate instead of these "Increased hate from Melee Attacks" THing?

That'd be nice, but unfortunately the answer is:
No, no you can't get a bonus to Intimidate, until the devs add some kind of respec for skillpoints and/or class levels.

You see, currently those things cannot be respecced, meaning putting an Intimidate bonus onto Defender of Syberis would mean giving it a feature that's powerful for Pal/Fig or Pal/Rog builds, but far less useful to pure class paladins.

Hopefully it's obvious why they don't want to do that. (If it were up to me, I would push them to add respecs, then give Defender of Siberys a taunt effect that's not based on Intimidate ranks, with superior range and duration)

[sephiroth1084]

-sigh- can we PLEASE get a bump to our actual Intimidate instead of these "Increased hate from Melee Attacks" THing?

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...then give Defender of Siberys a taunt effect that's not based on Intimidate ranks, with superior range and duration

Actually, this seems a pretty decent idea. Perhaps work it as similar to the rogue's assassinate? Paladin uses the ability and forces all monsters in a certain range about him to make a Will save vs. 10 + paladin's level + Cha modifier. Those affected as though they were intimidated. The range could be slightly smaller or larger than that of intimidate, and it would be both better and worse than intimidate in different situations. Oh! And it should only work on evil creatures.

Maybe change Divine Righteousness to this?

Anyone know if these dodge bonuses will or won't stack with the chaos gaurd/ chattering ring/Icey Raiments/Dragontouched? Im guessing they wont based on previous dev posts on dodge bonus stacking...

Well, I found the dev post regarding the DT armor and Chattering Ring to be somewhat misleading, since, as far as I know, the dodge bonus from the Icy Raiments and that of the bard song, Inspire Heroics, both stack despite granting the same dodge bonus...unless they meant that ITEMS that grant a dodge bonus don't stack with similar values?

[artvan_delet]

Dreading the response that says this is like AC boost, 20 seconds. The duration on DR 20/epic says "a short period of time" versus the others that say "while in this stance." Here's hoping that all but the DR 20/epic are stances. (CE satisfies prereq, so let's hope they're similar.) Please no, say no to the click-fest and help a pally out.

[Gratch]

Wow... nice... I feel the Siberys will truly be defended now.

I also like the dr/20 epic for when even high AC isn't helping you out.

Does this put well geared Paly AC near well geared monk?

[Do'Urden]

This really could work out well for my Paladin / Fighter Intimitank.

One thing I really don't care for right now is that Paladins have become a short duration spell / clicky mashing class (DF, DM, DS, ES, Haste Boost, etc.). I don't have CE on this guy yet due to starting INT but I can only imagine the frustration of having to reset this every 1/2 mins in addition to everything else. It's tedious at best.

Devs...PLEASE...whatever you do with the new enhancements, please do not make them more of the same clicky mashing nonsense. My 2 cents.

[nbhs275]

-sigh- can we PLEASE get a bump to our actual Intimidate instead of these "Increased hate from Melee Attacks" THing?

although i do agree with better intim being a good thing, i also gotta say, 200% hate, along with all the other things for hate bonus, could mean just a single smite could land you the aggro of sally for the entire raid. hmm, 500 damage, x2 from defender hate, 25% WF, x2 from divine righteousness. If they are stacking pnp style, your looking at ALOT of aggro.

[Junts]

although i do agree with better intim being a good thing, i also gotta say, 200% hate, along with all the other things for hate bonus, could mean just a single smite could land you the aggro of sally for the entire raid. hmm, 500 damage, x2 from defender hate, 25% WF, x2 from divine righteousness. If they are stacking pnp style, your looking at ALOT of aggro.

more importantly for vod, w ill the tier3 make you immune to the curse? if so, useful, if not, that whole section is a fancy-looking joke.


no one has ever been seriously threatened by kai-teng and wop or vorpal. as long as deathward blocks vorpal, the idea that people need to be immune to it is a joke

[Gratch]

more importantly for vod, w ill the tier3 make you immune to the curse? if so, useful, if not, that whole section is a fancy-looking joke.

Isn't the curse on-hit and given a will save and shield-blockable? Three things a defender of siberys should have in most cases...

[etelan]

-sigh- can we PLEASE get a bump to our actual Intimidate instead of these "Increased hate from Melee Attacks" THing?

Based on the premise of each of the d&d melee classes I do not think paladins should ever become the master of intimidation.