The Tale of our Demise

[ThrasherGT]

By that, you mean two years as mt Join Date shows?

Yup, typo

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Now, how does that apply to DDO?

There is a difference between bad reasoning and different opinions. For example, Green Steel crafting is imbalanced because it overpowers ponies and carebears is not position that can be held by anyone using a logical mind. Perhaps that some times, I get into an argument that, in the end, is only a matter of opinion. But, that is not always. An opinion cannot be wrong, as you have said yourself.

A reasoning can.

True enough. Nowhere did I state that Your reasoning was flawed. Your point that blanket immunities suck is obvious to any player of the game. Rather, I was commenting on the overall "Gist" of Your post as I saw it (Remember now, *Opinion*), and how You see the future of DDO.

Do you see this story as me foreseeing the end of DDO, overlooking when I explained you, twice, that this was an hyperbolic metaphor to illustrate a point?

Call it what You like. The overall message of DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!1 comes through loud and clear (Don't forget now, *Opinion*).

Have you not read the posts in the thread that talks about the topic more directly?

Immunities suck. I get it. The main point of the OP is banal to the point of exasperation. You might as well have said that "without air You cannot breathe". It deserves no discussion. The underlying expression of Your OP should be addressed (Once again, *Opinion*) and discussed.

There, did I explain it?

Don't forget Borr, How You say something is just as important as what You say. As soon as You hit the "submit post" button, It is open to the interpretation of others. Don't like it? Tough.

[Borror0]

Call it what You like. The overall message of DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!1 comes through loud and clear.

As I have said three times now, it was purposely overdramatic.

You can say that, in your opinion, the message of my post wast negative, or doomsaying. However, once I agree with you that it was overdramatic it stops being an opinion. You can debate forever when debating Nietzsche's intention on this or that line. If he was available, his explanation would be a fact. All opinions contradicting it would thus be wrong.

If you keep arguing, you are purposely being wrong.

[ThrasherGT]

As I have said three times now, it was purposely overdramatic.

You can say that, in your opinion, the message of my post wast negative, or doomsaying. However, once I agree with you that it was overdramatic it stops being an opinion. You can debate forever when debating Nietzsche's intention on this or that line. If he was available, his explanation would be a fact. All opinions contradicting it would thus be wrong.

If you keep arguing, you are purposely being wrong.

1. Your Intent has no bearing on My interpretation. Are You saying that a reader's interpretation of an author is not subjective? Even with a footnote from the author, the reader can see it differently based on personal experience. Remember, now, that My interpretation of what You wrote is My opinion. Read that again. *OPINION*. Subjective. Intent is irrelevant. Over-dramatic is irrelevant.

2. First, You left out the part where I said it was My opinion and added a period. Intentional? Second, You have once again hand picked a single line to respond to. Nothing to say about the rest of it? Oh yeah, the "I see nothing there to respond to" schtick. Once again, I will assume that You concede these points as a matter of fact.

3. So what if You were being "over-dramatic"? Your Hyperbole is lost in the overall sentiment of the post (Just to remind You, *OPINION*). You cannot obviate the interpretation because You don't "like it". Once again, it's subjective. Intent is irrelevant.

Borr, We could discuss this until the cows come home, and We won't be able to agree on anything. What Your intent was and My opinion of it will most likely never converge in agreement. Let's just agree to disagree............

[Aspenor]

1. Your Intent has no bearing on My interpretation. Are You saying that a reader's interpretation of an author is not subjective? Even with a footnote from the author, the reader can see it differently based on personal experience. Remember, now, that My interpretation of what You wrote is My opinion. Read that again. *OPINION*. Subjective. Intent is irrelevant. Over-dramatic is irrelevant.

2. First, You left out the part where I said it was My opinion and added a period. Intentional? Second, You have once again hand picked a single line to respond to. Nothing to say about the rest of it? Oh yeah, the "I see nothing there to respond to" schtick. Once again, I will assume that You concede these points as a matter of fact.

3. So what if You were being "over-dramatic"? Your Hyperbole is lost in the overall sentiment of the post (Just to remind You, *OPINION*). You cannot obviate the interpretation because You don't "like it". Once again, it's subjective. Intent is irrelevant.

Borr, We could discuss this until the cows come home, and We won't be able to agree on anything. What Your intent was and My opinion of it will most likely never converge in agreement. Let's just agree to disagree............

A readers interpretation is completely irrelevant when the author clarifies his or her point of view. Would you tell your boss that you didn't do your job because in your "opinion" he didn't give you work based on a subjective interpretation?

Based on my interpretation of your posts, you have a chip on your shoulder and could care less about saying something useful, and would rather troll and attempt to provoke the OP.

Hey, it's just my opinion, after all.

[branmakmuffin]

It was purposely hyperbolic. The reality is obviously less dark than the story depict it.

However, it doesn't make the message any less true.

It doesn't make the message any more true, either. Maybe it's correct, maybe it's not, but it is and will forever remain your opinion.

[Korvek]

Are You saying that a reader's interpretation of an author is not subjective?

Regardless of whether it's subjective or not (though I personally believe it is), a reader's interpretation of an author can easily be wrong, as that person can simply infer things from the work that aren't there.

[Borror0]

It doesn't make the message any more true, either. Maybe it's correct, maybe it's not, but it is and will forever remain your opinion.

Never did I said it makes the message more true, I used the hyperbole as a mean to convey my point.

Exaggerating reality is very common in short stories.

[ThrasherGT]

A readers interpretation is completely irrelevant when the author clarifies his or her point of view. Would you tell your boss that you didn't do your job because in your "opinion" he didn't give you work based on a subjective interpretation?

He "clarified" his point of view by saying he was using hyperbole. This, in of itself, does not discount My opinion of the OP, as it comes down to a simple matter of scale. Again, in this case, the intent is irrelevant. Remember, Borr used a story to express an opinion of an imbalance in the game, the interpretation of which is subjective.


Based on my interpretation of your posts, you have a chip on your shoulder and could care less about saying something useful, and would rather troll and attempt to provoke the OP.

Again, I'm not the one who started this. I expressed an opinion, and *You* were the one who accused Me of trolling. Excuse Me for having a contradictory viewpoint. The main point of the OP, while being cleverly presented, is insipid to a great degree. Why should I even comment on it?


Hey, it's just my opinion, after all.

And You know what they say about opinions............

Oh, and one other thing, if You're not "Trolling", why would You even respond to a post clearly intended for another? Oh yeah, the "clique" thing.........

[Aspenor]

Oh, and one other thing, if You're not "Trolling", why would You even respond to a post clearly intended for another? Oh yeah, the "clique" thing.........

Clique has nothing to do with it. Borr and I know each other from the forums, exclusively. We often disagree, and do so with respect.

You, on the other hand, fail at respect.

You, in fact, did start it with your disrespectful first post. Expect to reap what you sow.

[Borror0]

Regardless of whether it's subjective or not (though I personally believe it is), a reader's interpretation of an author can easily be wrong, as that person can simply infer things from the work that aren't there.

Exactly. No matter what the reader understands, he simply cannot argue with the author about what he intended to say.

Oh yeah, the "clique" thing.........

It is quite ironical to say that Aspenor are part of the same clique. We have had quite our drama in the past and we disagree on multiple points.

Hey Asp, should we nerf monk Wisdom bonus to AC?

[branmakmuffin]

Never did I said it makes the message more true, I used the hyperbole as a mean to convey my point.

Exaggerating reality is very common in short stories.

Surely you exaggerate.

[ThrasherGT]

Clique has nothing to do with it. Borr and I know each other from the forums, exclusively. We often disagree, and do so with respect.

You, on the other hand, fail at respect.

You, in fact, did start it with your disrespectful first post. Expect to reap what you sow.

I expressed an opinion of what Borr wrote, there was no more disrespect than he affords me.

Here is the post:

First, Yeah, I read it all. I fail to see Your point, other than "DOOOOOOM!" or "Please make the game play the way I want".

Second, It's a waste of time pining for an era that is long gone. Demise? Perhaps for You. I for one will continue to enjoy DDO for what it is: Best Combat system anywhere, Great people to group with, and Most of all, Still FUN after almost three years of play.

Granted, it was a nice "story", but when You read between the lines, it's really no different than "UR Suxorz, If U don't change <insert whatever here> I'm going to take My ball and go Home!"

Defend it as a "clever" way to get Your point across, but if it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, it's probably a duck...........

Is it a bit brusque? Perhaps. It is in no way disrespectful.

Now on to You. When You accuse Me of Trolling for expressing an opinion, it's called Trolling. When two or more people gang up on another in order to discredit and/or belittle them, it's called Bullying. Merely expressing a contradictory opinion should not be grounds for the accusation of Trolling. Again, just because You have 10,000+ posts doesn't mean You get "Respect" out of hand. When You disrespect Me, I will respond in kind.

[Aspenor]

I expressed an opinion of what Borr wrote, there was no more disrespect than he affords me.

Here is the post:

First, Yeah, I read it all. I fail to see Your point, other than "DOOOOOOM!" or "Please make the game play the way I want".

Second, It's a waste of time pining for an era that is long gone. Demise? Perhaps for You. I for one will continue to enjoy DDO for what it is: Best Combat system anywhere, Great people to group with, and Most of all, Still FUN after almost three years of play.

Granted, it was a nice "story", but when You read between the lines, it's really no different than "UR Suxorz, If U don't change <insert whatever here> I'm going to take My ball and go Home!"

Defend it as a "clever" way to get Your point across, but if it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, it's probably a duck...........

Is it a bit brusque? Perhaps. It is in no way disrespectful.

Now on to You. When You accuse Me of Trolling for expressing an opinion, it's called Trolling. When two or more people gang up on another in order to discredit and/or belittle them, it's called Bullying. Merely expressing a contradictory opinion should not be grounds for the accusation of Trolling. Again, just because You have 10,000+ posts doesn't mean You get "Respect" out of hand. When You disrespect Me, I will respond in kind.

I fail to see how post count has anything to do with it. If anything, it just goes to show that I am more tactful in my posting than those that have been banned.

I get respect because I know what I'm talking about 95% of the time, and often provide meaningful and valuable feedback.

You on the other hand tell Borr he's whining, when it's blatantly obvious if you even bother to read the OP that he's providing constructive feedback.

Then again, you probably couldn't identify a satire if it was rolled up and smacked across your face.

[branmakmuffin]

It is quite ironical to say that Aspenor are part of the same clique. We have had quite our drama in the past and we disagree on multiple points.

You're in the "Quite a lot of drama and disagree on multiple points" clique.

I still can't believe I wrote that "traducter" was French for "to translate." That's what we call a "brain fart."

[maddmatt70]

Borro, ddo's resident negative nancy, strikes again. So Borro does somebody need to sprinkle something happy in your corn flakes or what?

[Borror0]

I still can't believe I wrote that "traducter" was French for "to translate." That's what we call a "brain fart."

That happens once in a while.

When I was in grade 6, I spent half of the school year speaking English full time. I became fluent in English after that. But, it took me almost a year to be able to be able to say "pieuvre" again as the word at crossed my mind all the time was "octopus". I had to describe the animal most of the time for others to understand me.

[branmakmuffin]

That happens once in a while.

When I was in grade 6, I spent half of the school year speaking English full time. I became fluent in English after that. But, it took me almost a year to be able to be able to say "pieuvre" again as the word at crossed my mind all the time was "octopus". I had to describe the animal most of the time for others to understand me.

My daughter is learning Spanish (in addition to being nearly fluent in French). I told her to say "Donde estan los pulpos?" to various folks and see what the reaction was.

I told her what it means, by the way ("Where are the octopuses?").

[ShaeNightbird]

Is that not "octopi"? Mmmmmmmmm, octopi....

[Premier]

DDO is great.

Time heals all wounds.

If DDO isn't progressing the way one likes then try taking a break.

Peace!

-Premier

[vtecfiend99]

Is that not "octopi"? Mmmmmmmmm, octopi....

No indeed it is not. The root word is not latin it is greek.