Adamantine body or not.

[Beorn_The_Bear]

Was searching through the forums but couldn't find my answer. However, when looking at the many builds for front line melee ( barb/fighter) i do not see ADAMANTINE BODY listed (if ever) as one of the feats. So my questions are:
''Is that feat worth it?''.
''If not, why?''

[Eelpout]

I think it maybe the fact that Adamantine is considered heavy armor which a barbarian can not have.

[Impaqt]

Its simply not worth it in most cases. THe Body feat takes up a Valuable Feat spon for a Barbarian, and Adamantine on a FIghter rarely can net you a higher AC than a well designed Mithral Body version. (Or base COmposite for that matter)

[Noctus]

I think it maybe the fact that Adamantine is considered heavy armor which a barbarian can not have.

Is is considered heavy armor, but because it is so special, a pure WF Barbarian can use it without hinderance.

it is a very good feat up untill you reach level 8 or 9. then you should swap it out. you wont be able to keep a meaningfull AC once you reach the Gianthold, so it would be wasted from then on. Thats why it isnt posted in builds, as they mainly foczus on the endgame.

[Eelpout]

Is is considered heavy armor, but because it is so special, a pure WF Barbarian can use it without hinderance.

it is a very good feat up untill you reach level 8 or 9. then you should swap it out. you wont be able to keep a meaningfull AC once you reach the Gianthold, so it would be wasted from then on. Thats why it isnt posted in builds, as they mainly foczus on the endgame.

This reaffirms my statement that I made an uneducated reply. I appologize to anyone who incurred brain damage from anything I have written................EVER.

P.S. The only Warforged Barb character I have, has only 1 level Barb and the rest Sorc. I stayed with Mithril Plating because that was all I wanted to deal with for Arcane Spell Failure even though I do a fair amount of melee.

[Angelus_dead]

Was searching through the forums but couldn't find my answer. However, when looking at the many builds for front line melee ( barb/fighter) i do not see ADAMANTINE BODY listed (if ever) as one of the feats.

It can be partially worth it for low levels (1-5 or maybe up to 10), but at that point a barb should really drop the adamantine body and give up on having any AC.

[hu-flung-pu]

Which ****es me off to no end on my Paladin.

Now I have to squeak in 6 enhancement points somewhere for 5/adamantine DR.

On the plus side, I can fit in a new feat if I ever do decide to re-spec it. My DEX is so low on him it's just not worth it I'm thinking.

[Impaqt]

Which ****es me off to no end on my Paladin.

Now I have to squeak in 6 enhancement points somewhere for 5/adamantine DR.

On the plus side, I can fit in a new feat if I ever do decide to re-spec it. My DEX is so low on him it's just not worth it I'm thinking.

Huh? You know Adamantine Plating does not stack with your Angelskin right?

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Is is considered heavy armor, but because it is so special, a pure WF Barbarian can use it without hinderance.

it is a very good feat up untill you reach level 8 or 9. then you should swap it out. you wont be able to keep a meaningfull AC once you reach the Gianthold, so it would be wasted from then on. Thats why it isnt posted in builds, as they mainly foczus on the endgame.

My suggestion is take it (or Mithral body depending on dex) at lvl 1, but trade it out later when AC doesn't selp as much, or when you can get batter AC without it....etc.

Probably change for Power Attack since IMO Power Attack at low lvl isn't worth all the misses you get from having a low BAB.

[Forceonature]

For a barbarian, you have such a low AC that having a Mithral or Adamantine body does help your AC at higher levels. At low levels, as metioned previously, it helps and can be swapped out for power attack later on.

For a fighter, or multiclass high-AC melee, Mithral is the better option as it nets you a higher AC (if you have the dex for it), and it doesn't affect the Evasion feat.

[Yajerman01]

this begs the question then. I am starting up a WF pally/fighter/rogue. His dex at end game will be 20. SO I was going to go with the Mith body as it is considered a light armour. AGain, since i dont know much about WF my question are as follows:

1. Do docents stack with the mithral body?
2. Do armour bracers stack with either docent or a mithral body? (i wouldnt think they did, but had to ask)


inquiring minds want to know.

[SUPERCREWJOHN]

I am struggling with the AC on a Adamantine WF fighter RIPNTerror

It seems like Protection items and Chaosguards are in short supply these days and even so those arent really useful until about level 8 or 9.

Unbuffed I current have an AC of 26 on a 7/1 Fighter/Wizzy I have invested some points into increase the DR from 2DR to 3 DR. I havent taken either Combat expertise or dodge just yet. I have a 16 dex and have one level of Armor Mastery so I get 2 Dex bonus and I have a +1 Protection ring and a +5 Docent and a +5 Mithril Heavy Shield for use when I go S&B( which i do only when shield blocking is needed)

My stats currently are

STR 22
Dex 16
CON 18
IT 13
WIS 6
Ch 8

At level 8 I currently have 187 HP as I have invested heavily in toughness enhancements

I fight THF with great axes, and have had the fotune of finding several stoneskin wands and tend to cast Shield on myself before charging to the front which that helps some.

My questions are:
1. should I swap out my adamantine feat for mithril?
2. What AC type feats should I take if any because my AC will never really be high enough to be relevant?
3. What are some common items that I should find to help my AC to at least get into the 30's un buffed.

[BlackSteel]

with that dex, addy body is your best choice. Mithral doesnt become better until you have atleast a 20 dex; but b/c you're a fighter, with the option of expanding your dex range, that number will actually be a little higher.

are u lawful or chaotic?

lawful get the chaosgardes for 2 more ac
chaotic grab manacles out of deleras for an early deflection bonus

otherwise next lvl you can use a protection 3 item
dodge feat
Combat ex
+5 docent
+5 tower shield
barkskin pots

not much else you can do at that lvl

10 base
8 + 5 docent
3 dex
1 dodge
2 chaos
9 shield
5 CX
3 bark
1 Haste
_____
47 with shield, 45 heavy shield, 39 no shield, 34 no shield and no CX

at that lvl the first two would make u nearly untouchable, and the third would be a very nice number. 34 would be so so

[SUPERCREWJOHN]

Thanks Blacksteel...

I had good fortune yesterday and found both a +3 Ring of protection and a pair of Chaosgaurds. My fighter is lawful good. He has enhancements for THF and has a great axe as a prefered weapon. Im looking forward to level 10 when I can equip him with a +4 Holy Great Axe. I use Power Attack smashing on mobs.

With those two items my AC is know 31

[Red_Knight]

this begs the question then. I am starting up a WF pally/fighter/rogue. His dex at end game will be 20. SO I was going to go with the Mith body as it is considered a light armour. AGain, since i dont know much about WF my question are as follows:

1. Do docents stack with the mithral body?
2. Do armour bracers stack with either docent or a mithral body? (i wouldnt think they did, but had to ask)


inquiring minds want to know.

As far as I know, here's how it works. Your body type grants an AC bonus. The docents give an Enhancement bonus to AC, so stack with it. Adding a +5 docent to mithral body basicly makes it as if you had +5 armor on. So your total bonus from your 'armor' is +10. Same way a chain shirt +5 gives the armor's AC bonus, and the enhancement bonus to AC. Docents stack with rings of protection, insparation bonuses (bards and such), shield bonuses (shield spell, shields), and natural armor bonuses.

The reason bracers of armor scale so high in effect is because they cover both armor bonus, and what would have been enhancement bonus on an actual piece of armor. Bracers of Armor +10 is equal to mithral body and a +5 docent in total value. Come to think of it, those bracers of armor would be better then mithral armor for said warforged. The WF could stack that +10 armor bonus with the +5 docent. *frowns* Guess my WF fighter/mage will eventually have to respec to remove the body feat. The fighter/mage I'm making isn't a 'splash wizard' type, but a true fighter/mage. Equal split in levels between fighter and wizard.

[Drakos]

... Come to think of it, those bracers of armor would be better then mithral armor for said warforged. The WF could stack that +10 armor bonus with the +5 docent. *frowns* Guess my WF fighter/mage will eventually have to respec to remove the body feat. The fighter/mage I'm making isn't a 'splash wizard' type, but a true fighter/mage. Equal split in levels between fighter and wizard.

Actually you might want to hold off on that. The +10 would not stack with the base 2 you get from basic body plating (although 10 is obviously better than 2). That 2 is still concidered to be an armor bonus (even though it does not prevent a monk from being centered). It also carries the 5% ASF. I know this because I tried widow bracers (+4 AC bracers) on my WF monk and my AC only went up by 2 instead of the 4 that I was hoping for. It all has to do with the bonus "type" and both body plating and Barcars of Armor ar an armor bonus.