The Jungle Cloak Scandal

[cam0940]

I want to take a few minutes and address an issue that has been brought to me by several of you over the last week. I recently led a Titan raid where the Jungle Cloak and the Nullcloth Gown dropped. No one knows or cares who got the Nullcloth Gown, but apparently [Arlos] got the Jungle Cloak. Most of the party met at the raid entrance for a Greater Teleport to get our end rewards. Ultimately, [Arlos] passed the Jungle Cloak to [Venn], who looted it, and the raid was over.

Later, it was made clear to me that [Harbormaster Zen] was upset over this. Now, [Harbormaster Zen] and I have since exchanged tells and—I thought—resolved the situation. Apparently [Harbormaster Zen] wanted the Jungle Cloak and felt that it had been passed to [Venn] underhandedly. Apparently [Harbormaster Zen] felt that I was responsible for better organization or leadership in the distribution of this raid loot (e.g. facilitating some sort of roll). Because the loot was passed directly to [Venn], [Harbormaster Zen] (in a separate channel) viciously attacked me saying that I don’t belong in the channel that I DO participate in, because I had broken our agreed code of conduct regarding passing of raid loot (we pretty much agree to roll on loot that the puller doesn’t want). So as a result of these attacks, I receive random tells accusing me of being complicit in this raid loot passing scheme.

This is my response: A) [Arlos] is not a member of the private channel that has an agreed policy, and neither is [Venn]. This was a purely pug raid, anyone was welcome to join. As such, we cannot expect them to abide by rules that we use to govern ourselves. B) I had the star, but am not in a position to force [Arlos] to offer [Harbormaster Zen] a roll. [Arlos] could have given the Jungle Cloak to [Venn] with no roll at his own discretion C) I’ve grouped w/ [Arlos] on more than one occasion, [Venn] regularly. I’m cool w/ [Arlos], and [Venn] is a friend. Right here and now I’ll vouch for both of them and state that he would have offered the Jungle Cloak for roll if it was clear that anyone besides [Venn] wanted it. But the fact is, [Harbormaster Zen] did not make it clear that he was interested.

It wasn’t until four days later when it got back around to me that [Harbormaster Zen] was attacking me, that I learned that he was even interested in the stupid cloak. To this day I don’t know if he’s claiming he said it in party or typed in the party chat window that he wanted it. Either way, no one who was present, that I have spoken to, has any recollection of [Harbormaster Zen] expressing any interest whatsoever in the cloak. With all due respect to [Harbormaster Zen] (which I sincerely mean because up until the attacks I had considered him a friend), he cannot expect us to read his mind. Generally, if someone pulls an item and they don’t want it, it is YOUR responsibility to make it clear that you are interested. Not the party leader. Not the other guys who are interested. It is YOUR responsibility to say “Hey, is that for roll?” So four days later to come back and accuse me of looking the other way during underhanded loot transfers is nonsense. Again, it wasn’t even my pull to begin with.

So, frankly, the situation irks me. I do lead a lot of raids and this is the first time I’ve had some sort of drama result from a loot pull. I don’t like it, I don’t like the stigma that comes from it, I don’t like people approaching me about some nonsense that I couldn’t have controlled even if I DID know that Iniigo wanted the cloak. So, as the rumor mill turns, please know that this is exactly what happened, and that I am not involved in any loot shenanigans. I lead to complete, if it’s a guild or channel party we abide by our internal agreements, and if it’s a pug party, the puller decides what to do with his items.

[Harbormaster Zen] also felt betrayed that someone told me what he was saying in the alternate channel about me. A) I feel that [Harbormaster Zen] owes me a public apology and some minimal effort to rectify the damage he’s done to my reputation. Well, not damage, but just the idea of being questioned. B) These were real friends who have told me what was going on, and that goes deeper than any channel privacy policy. Honestly, if someone were trashing a friend of mine in any forum, I would tell my friend. I thank my friends for that. I thought [Harbormaster Zen] was a friend, but if he were, he wouldn’t have done this in the first place.

So there you have it, that’s where I stand on the whole Jungle Cloak Scandal. Hit me in game if there are any further questions.

[Barron]

Some information that may be pertinant

[Venn] = unbreakable member
[Arlos] = unbreakable member

I dont know about most but I dont care about what channel someone might be a member of, there will not be a roll for a raid item if a guild member asks for the Item I pull and I dont need it.

I dont know many people who feel differently.

[Coyle] is a class guy and player, leader is not responsible for raid members loot habits.

Hope you get your apology

[HeavenlyCloud]

Thread locked in 5.4.3.2...

You should always try to work things on /tells or pm's.

This is not the way to address this kind of "issue" making it more public if you and [Harbormaster Zen] had resolved this over /tells.

[Nirvana]

If it's resolved in tells why you bring it up in public forum again?

more popcorns for blah...

[HeavenlyCloud]

more popcorns for blah...

Enjoy the popcorn.

Funny thing is i'm actually having popcorns right now

[Kistilan]

Funny thing is i'm actually having popcorns right now

That's cuz I'm filming it. ooo la la (nite Blah!) -- it rhymed! SCORE!

[Magi]

hmmmm, its all Blah's fault

[Aspenor]

Phyn,

Personally, IT"S THE STUPID EFFIN JUNGLE CLOAK!!!!!

Who frakkin' cares?! Seriously though......GET OVER IT.

You did nothing wrong Fin.

I'd like to know how you, even if you tried to facilitate a roll, could have forced one? You couldn't. You didn't have the loot in hand, and whoever has the loot in hand does what they want with it.

Sorry [Warforged Titan], but you're wrong for gettin all up in Fin's grill for this one.

[Aspenor]

To his defense, this forums probably wasn't the place to bring that issue.

However, anybody claiming that they know who belongs in my guild that BAILED ON THE GUILD should ****. I don't see the person in question wearing my guild tag, they don't have a right ot pass judgement on those that do.

[Magi]

However, anybody claiming that they know who belongs in my guild that BAILED ON THE GUILD should ****. I don't see the person in question wearing my guild tag, they don't have a right ot pass judgement on those that do.

/signed

[alchilito]

/signed

who are your alts so we may discuss this more thoroughly in-game ?

[alchilito]

To his defense, this forums probably wasn't the place to bring that issue.

[cam0940]

Hey fellas. The reason I did it here is A) Because the issue is obviously not resolved because I keep hearing about it in the present tense, not past tense. B) I get tired of repeating it over and over. So this was a place to record my response.

The forum was a perfect place to put it. If someone has a problem with something you've done, they could come to you privately to resolve it. If they go public, then I have a right to respond publicly.

That is all.

[Aspenor]

Hey fellas. The reason I did it here is A) Because the issue is obviously not resolved because I keep hearing about it in the present tense, not past tense. B) I get tired of repeating it over and over. So this was a place to record my response.

The forum was a perfect place to put it. If someone has a problem with something you've done, they could come to you privately to resolve it. If they go public, then I have a right to respond publicly.

That is all.

Fair enough.

[jockobalbeno]

To be honest, anyone that ever gets up set over a piece of Raid loot that they did not pull themselves, really need to get a life! It's a fricken game!

[Dktr]

hey guys, the fact that you are naming specific people make this not a thread but a flame... you may want to read up on the forum rules... I imagine the cube will be eating this thread in short order..

[Mhykke]

I suggest a sit down.


I wasn't there when any of this happened, but come on, all 3 parties here are people that have grouped together, have enjoyed grouping together, are skilled, and are fun to group with. Just get in group and sort it out.


Jeez, I take a break for exams and the server goes to h*ll....

[Magi]

I suggest a sit down.


I wasn't there when any of this happened, but come on, all 3 parties here are people that have grouped together, have enjoyed grouping together, are skilled, and are fun to group with. Just get in group and sort it out.


Jeez, I take a break for exams and the server goes to h*ll....

I think this thread deserves a picture, dont you?

[Xorm]

Heya. with any pug raid i run, i always state before the main chest is open,

everyone must pass all raid loot to the party leader, and he will distribute the loot in the most fair way ...

never happens. rofl. not a single person noob or not, has even acknowledged that they even hear what i say. Now i rofl on this side of the mike, cause i know that everyone else is silently going ***... but ya know, I never had this problem ....


Look Your Loot is Your Loot .. ifin im in the titan I get the gloves, and i dont need em, then they going to declan if hes there, he has helped me so much, and i wouldnt even be able to do the puzzles if it wasnt for him (or cercive ) for that matter, no rolls, no argument, nothing. They DESERVE them, and I will whoop anyone that says different. mostly though, when i am not feling onery I put the loot up for roll, or just pass it to the party leader, cause i cant be arsed to mess with it.

For example I was on a VOD as a guest to someone else's guild run, and watched the defender plate get passed to the other cleric without ceremony, kept my mouth shut and went on. no biggie, 5 more runs to go till my 20th.
However i did have someone tell me that they were in a raid and the group running it tried to force (nay bully) him to give up his +3 char tome (he was on his sorc). I told him to eat it in front of em, and before it was done going nomnomnom to stop it and start all over again. then to sit in gh and put the tome in his focus orb and to start randomly dancing with it esp. whenever they were around. heck i told him to start stalking them and dance with it so they could see it. he didn't wanna. lol.


to the thread starter, bah let em rant, hes just mad at himself cause he didnt say anything.

Mark twain once said,

Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference

[Gordo]

I blame Handee Smurf


Love,
Gordion