Strakeln's Rant-n-Cuss!

[Strakeln]

Okay, not really a rant or anything, but something that I thought was awfully funny last night.

I log in and get a "help us do ghola" tell/invite. So I join the group - 1 caster, 1 barb, 1 pally, 3 rogues (two of 'em hybrid).

On my way there, someone says that it will be difficult with only 3 rogues. I think to myself... there's two capped chars here, everyone else is lvl 14 and up, running frickin GHOLA on hard? What's the difficulty there? I secretly wonder to myself if this will end up being a solo run with a bunch of pocket stones...

One of the rogue hybrids mentions that he only sees one rogue (implying that the others are more like melee fighters). The pally replies with "I dunno, I see four squishies" (I assume the fourth was the sorc).

After going through the first wing, it's obvious that the rogues aren't getting hit, the barb is self-healing (1 lvl sorc), and the pally (capped) is the squishie.

We hadn't even gotten halfway through the quest when the pally died (for the second time), said "screw this no cleric", recalled and dropped. It might have been my comment that we should send a squishie to go fetch the pally (again).

The remaining "squishies" finished the run without issue.

/sigh (lol)

[Aranticus]

is the pally wearing armor made of cardboard? your group could probably do elite with all that umd in the party except maybe w/o the pally

ok my own story to add, did a stormcleave elite run today on my L9 fighter. the party consisted of wiz, bard, barb, cleric and rog. barb, rog and bard were tremedously good at getting hit thou none died through out. wiz is competent and the cleric did a good job. so we finished ortadar and the crates, after getting my loot and not wanting the haste to go to waste, i charge down to the ogres and mino. instantly i hear a "leeeeerrrooooy" coming from the cleric. after dispatching all the mobs and the 4 giants round the corner, i replied "if that was referring to me, leroy doesnt have a 50 ac but i do". throughout the quest i needed less than 10 cures from the cleric. the barb otoh is a sponge

ps: my lawyer will talk to you regarding the use of a trademark

[The_Phenx]

Yep had a fun situation on my acrobat a couple days back.

LFM up for Raiyum Elite. Cleric and a rouge in party (both 16th) I click join and get a Im sorry I need someone who can do damage response. After convincing him that I can solo all three flagging quests and the pre-raid, I get an invite. (to his credit it didn't take very long)

Before I could run out there, there was another cleric and two casters in party.

I zoned in to raiyum and they are saying they are at the wiz king already, I made it to him just in time to click cleave and hit him on the run up before he was nuked by a sorc.

Just kinda amusing.

[Strakeln]

is the pally wearing armor made of cardboard? your group could probably do elite with all that umd in the party except maybe w/o the pally

I'm pretty sure most of the party members there could have solo'd elite without much issue. Which was why I was a bit confused with the pally's concern. (Only had hard open, which is why we were on that difficulty).

ok my own story to add, did a stormcleave elite run today on my L9 fighter. the party consisted of wiz, bard, barb, cleric and rog. barb, rog and bard were tremedously good at getting hit thou none died through out. wiz is competent and the cleric did a good job. so we finished ortadar and the crates, after getting my loot and not wanting the haste to go to waste, i charge down to the ogres and mino. instantly i hear a "leeeeerrrooooy" coming from the cleric. after dispatching all the mobs and the 4 giants round the corner, i replied "if that was referring to me, leroy doesnt have a 50 ac but i do". throughout the quest i needed less than 10 cures from the cleric. the barb otoh is a sponge

It's amazing just how effective AC can be low and mid-level content (or high content on norm). 50 is near godly below level 10, and it's a relatively easy number to hit (w/o raid loot) nowadays.

ps: my lawyer will talk to you regarding the use of a trademark

Oh ****!

[Strakeln]

Yep had a fun situation on my acrobat a couple days back.

LFM up for Raiyum Elite. Cleric and a rouge in party (both 16th) I click join and get a Im sorry I need someone who can do damage response. After convincing him that I can solo all three flagging quests and the pre-raid, I get an invite. (to his credit it didn't take very long)

Before I could run out there, there was another cleric and two casters in party.

I zoned in to raiyum and they are saying they are at the wiz king already, I made it to him just in time to click cleave and hit him on the run up before he was nuked by a sorc.

Just kinda amusing.

Heh. Applied to an LFM for Devils on elite with my rogue. He outright owns that quest.

Was denied because "the group is already squishy as hell".

I shrugged my shoulders and solo'd it. Their group filled around the time I finished.

[Aranticus]

Heh. Applied to an LFM for Devils on elite with my rogue. He outright owns that quest.

Was denied because "the group is already squishy as hell".

I shrugged my shoulders and solo'd it. Their group filled around the time I finished.

there have been more than once that i brought 4 casters (2 were melee builds), 3-4 rogues into shroud. many times, i'd get a tell from some one "too many casters, not enough dps" or "too many rogues, we need barbs or rangers". seriously when the caster is tukaw (or many of the other standard melee casters) or the rog is davir (sneak attack ftw!), there isnt really an issue with dps. more than not those that send me the tells are usually the ones w/o the dps...... like a A&B barb

[Strakeln]

there have been more than once that i brought 4 casters (2 were melee builds), 3-4 rogues into shroud. many times, i'd get a tell from some one "too many casters, not enough dps" or "too many rogues, we need barbs or rangers". seriously when the caster is tukaw (or many of the other standard melee casters) or the rog is davir (sneak attack ftw!), there isnt really an issue with dps. more than not those that send me the tells are usually the ones w/o the dps...... like a A&B barb

Pretty funny, especially when you consider the number of tempest rogues out there. Compared to a ranger, you're talking a difference of 1 or 2 points of damage per hit (due to the higher tier of favored enemy damage). Otherwise... same number of attacks, same swing rate, same weapons, same FE...

[Dymond]

My pally is nowhere NEAR uber but you think that between being able to case cure moderate, 4 Lay on Hands and access to wands that he could keep himself alive. I play another Pally in a RP group on Sarlona and we don't always have a cleric, and when he isn't there I am the groups battle medic. So whichever Pally I play I am always very aware of my hit points and the hit points of the players around me. You never want to get yourself knee deep in aggro because at that point you can't switch to heal mode when you've got mobs wanting to put a hurt on you..

[transtemporal]

Joined a Xorian elite favour run, 11-13, 1 hybrid rogue, 1 cleric, 1 bard, 1 wiz, 2 tanks. Easy right?
Wiz can't hit the int runes, cleric can't hit the wis runes but we clear the way to the left and right passages easy enough. Takes the left team 10 minutes to do the puzzle.

Then we get to the corridor with the force traps.

The rogue dies 3 times and blows up 2 of the traps after saying they should be a snap. The cleric and fighter decide to try their luck and both die. By this time, i'd chewed through a fair number of raise dead and heal scrolls on my bard so i called it. That car-crash-pug fascination kinda wears off after a while, lol.

[Strakeln]

That car-crash-pug fascination kinda wears off after a while, lol.

Nonsense!

I may be the only person who squeals with glee when I find myself in the middle of a train wreck. For many reasons!

1) The challenge. Soloing can be difficult, but dragging a group through a quest makes soloing look easy!
2) The humor. Some of the things said/done in car crash PUGs will make you drop your mouse onto the floor in shock.
3) The satisfaction. Once in a while, you get a group like this that manages to pull itself together and accomplish something.

[Boldrin]

Nonsense!

I may be the only person who squeals with glee when I find myself in the middle of a train wreck. For many reasons!

1) The challenge. Soloing can be difficult, but dragging a group through a quest makes soloing look easy!
2) The humor. Some of the things said/done in car crash PUGs will make you drop your mouse onto the floor in shock.
3) The satisfaction. Once in a while, you get a group like this that manages to pull itself together and accomplish something.

Know what Strake, you're kinda giving me a new outlook. Definitely a good way of looking at bad pugs.

[Strakeln]

Know what Strake, you're kinda giving me a new outlook. Definitely a good way of looking at bad pugs.

Ask any of my (former) guildies... if there's a train wreck LFM, you can bet Strakeln the Barbarian will show up with a boarding pass.

[lord_of_rage]

Several months ago some guildies and I were and geared out lowbies running with maelstroms. I was on one of my budding warchanters. We had another bard maelstrom equiped along with 2 barbs and a ranger all lvl3. We have a lvl 5 cleric. We ran TOD on normal. The cleric is horrid. No wands, doesnt shrine, and starts charging into the fight. So my maelstrom armed bard wand whips the entire quest including the cleric. It was a fun run that could have been a train wreck. But other than the cleric the players were wicked.

[Dymond]

Several months ago some guildies and I were and geared out lowbies running with maelstroms. I was on one of my budding warchanters. We had another bard maelstrom equiped along with 2 barbs and a ranger all lvl3. We have a lvl 5 cleric. We ran TOD on normal. The cleric is horrid. No wands, doesnt shrine, and starts charging into the fight. So my maelstrom armed bard wand whips the entire quest including the cleric. It was a fun run that could have been a train wreck. But other than the cleric the players were wicked.

I think I might have ran with that cleric LOL if so he provided the fodder for one of the funniest PUGs I ever ran..

[Lehrman]

Lol. thats awesome. I ran Ghola on hard the other night and we had only one death. We had a cleric, but no arcane, so the bard was out haster. We were all lvls 11-12. The other rogue and myself (both of us pure rogues) racked up a ridiculous kill count from sneak attack aggro swapping between the two of us, I think we accounted for 80% of the kills. He had 51, I had 55, but really our counts should be averaged between us since neither of us alone could do the damage of both of us together. Two rogues swapping aggro out DPSes any other paired melee class in the game.

I know a lot of people consider rogues squishy and I admit that I only have 200 hps at lvl11, but the compensation for that is a 48-54 AC and evasion. I used six CS pots and the cleric topped me of a couple times between battles, but probably not more than 200 hps worth of hps.

I think the reason that rogues are considered squishy is because some players are still learning how to max their ACs, have no heavy fort, or are new to DDO. In PnP I don't mind starting with a 10 con because intelligence and dex are far more important, but DDO is not PnP. In DDO anything less than a 14con is low and even a 14 starting con is not all that great.

[Dymond]

an Intimitank/Rogue combo is fierce! I was a hasted TWF barbarian and I couldn't touch the rogues kill count.

[Lady_Draconus]

Heh. Applied to an LFM for Devils on elite with my rogue. He outright owns that quest.

Was denied because "the group is already squishy as hell".

I shrugged my shoulders and solo'd it. Their group filled around the time I finished.

You should have sent them a tell "ok, finished it solo do I qualify now?"

[Aranticus]

You should have sent them a tell "ok, finished it solo do I qualify now?"

it would be very hard for a rog to solo devils

[Strakeln]

it would be very hard for a rog to solo devils

A pure rogue, sure.

[Hordo]

Okay, not really a rant or anything, but something that I thought was awfully funny last night.

I log in and get a "help us do ghola" tell/invite. So I join the group - 1 caster, 1 barb, 1 pally, 3 rogues (two of 'em hybrid).

On my way there, someone says that it will be difficult with only 3 rogues. I think to myself... there's two capped chars here, everyone else is lvl 14 and up, running frickin GHOLA on hard? What's the difficulty there? I secretly wonder to myself if this will end up being a solo run with a bunch of pocket stones...

One of the rogue hybrids mentions that he only sees one rogue (implying that the others are more like melee fighters). The pally replies with "I dunno, I see four squishies" (I assume the fourth was the sorc).

After going through the first wing, it's obvious that the rogues aren't getting hit, the barb is self-healing (1 lvl sorc), and the pally (capped) is the squishie.

We hadn't even gotten halfway through the quest when the pally died (for the second time), said "screw this no cleric", recalled and dropped. It might have been my comment that we should send a squishie to go fetch the pally (again).

The remaining "squishies" finished the run without issue.

/sigh (lol)

How on Earth did you find a PUG for Ghola-Fan that bad???
I mean, really, last night even I, the one-man-party-wipe-king with only a wizard and a ranger, and I on my rogue no less , did GF in no time, mostly waiting at the end because we had additions to the party to try to get the mask (which did not drop on any of the levels N, H or E all of which we did because one of our toons needed xp as well as the favor. The only way I could tell we were on elite is that when I had to take a phone call, I actually died.
I'll look you up next time we do this just to get the sour taste of gimped pally out of your mouth... *hmmm, maybe I could've put that in a different way....NAH! *