Kudos to Khyber!

[Mithran]

From what I've seen of the posts related to the closing of the Shroud, I want to take a moment to commend everyone on Khyber. I hadn't seen or heard of anyone on our server using this Exploit, I hadn't seen or heard of any 'griefing,' and I'm pleased that we were so disciplined.

You guys are great.

[Quanefel]

Agreed, everyone on Khyber showing some maturity in not really being a part of this "problem". Although, there was a few instances here and there when a single person in a shroud group would suggest that "trick". Luckily, me and the 10 other people told that one person to shut it, we was not using any trick. I am sure other Shroud groups had similar issues, one person suggests it and everyone else tells them to shut it up. lol Good for Khyber.

[Boldrin]

From what I've seen of the posts related to the closing of the Shroud, I want to take a moment to commend everyone on Khyber. I hadn't seen or heard of anyone on our server using this Exploit, I hadn't seen or heard of any 'griefing,' and I'm pleased that we were so disciplined.

You guys are great.

I think it's the fact that even a mediocre to subpar group can complete it in an hour with no real expense that stopped Khyberians from doing this. I personally like end rewards and completions.

[Grimtooth333]

I personally like end rewards and completions.

Word!

[Strakeln]

From what I've seen of the posts related to the closing of the Shroud, I want to take a moment to commend everyone on Khyber. I hadn't seen or heard of anyone on our server using this Exploit, I hadn't seen or heard of any 'griefing,' and I'm pleased that we were so disciplined.

You guys are great.

Well, due to my hate of the shroud, I wasn't even in the quest when this was available (and it may be the one exploit I would be against using, since I would want my **** completion)...

...but I heard of many, many, many parties using the exploit.

I didn't hear of any griefing, but the exploit was definitely being used.

So let's not get too far up on that high horse.

[Mithran]

Well, due to my hate of the shroud, I wasn't even in the quest when this was available (and it may be the one exploit I would be against using, since I would want my **** completion)...

...but I heard of many, many, many parties using the exploit.

I didn't hear of any griefing, but the exploit was definitely being used.

So let's not get too far up on that high horse.

Well, such being the case, I'm disappointed in Khyber! Where's your sense of drama, people?

[cardmj1]

Well, such being the case, I'm disappointed in Khyber! Where's your sense of drama, people?

Cubie had his wheaties this morning and too many Khyberians are on the threshold of infraction points.

[Emili]

It is quite simple why Khyberians did not exploit the Shroud... ie.) When was the last time you've seen anyone on Kyber pass up an easy high level chest... how about two, let alone an end-reward for x20 completed shrouds?

[maddmatt70]

Well, due to my hate of the shroud, I wasn't even in the quest when this was available (and it may be the one exploit I would be against using, since I would want my **** completion)...

...but I heard of many, many, many parties using the exploit.

I didn't hear of any griefing, but the exploit was definitely being used.

So let's not get too far up on that high horse.

Really, I heard of none. It obviously didn't make it into pugs.

[Jay203]

i don't even run shroud that much
i think altogether i've ran it.... 6 times

[Strakeln]

Really, I heard of none. It obviously didn't make it into pugs.

It was only pugs that I heard of it being used in (after all, a guild doing so isn't likely to advertise the fact).

Given Khyber's history, I consider it downright silly to even entertain the thought that it wasn't happening on this server.

[maddmatt70]

It was only pugs that I heard of it being used in (after all, a guild doing so isn't likely to advertise the fact).

Given Khyber's history, I consider it downright silly to even entertain the thought that it wasn't happening on this server.

I don't dispute our server's history such as for instance the blue bug. I asked a few folks that pug alot about the current exploit and they said they had not been in a group where it was done and had never even really heard about it. I think there were particular groups (not necessarily from the same guild but people who frequently run together) that did it based on what you say and actually it was not widespread on Khyber at all. I mean I run with alot of khyber and Riedra guilds and the OP is from Aundair and between the two of us we probably run with alot of people - that we had so little information or knowledge of this exploit tells you something. In addition when I asked the frequent puggers like I said they were unaware of this exploit as well.

[Strakeln]

I don't dispute our server's history such as for instance the blue bug. I asked a few folks that pug alot about the current exploit and they said they had not been in a group where it was done and had never even really heard about it. I think there were particular groups (not necessarily from the same guild but people who frequently run together) that did it based on what you say and actually it was not widespread on Khyber at all. I mean I run with alot of khyber and Riedra guilds and the OP is from Aundair and between the two of us we probably run with alot of people - that we had so little information or knowledge of this exploit tells you something. In addition when I asked the frequent puggers like I said they were unaware of this exploit as well.

I understand your viewpoint.

With all due respect, your proof here is that you spoke to "frequent puggers" and that you and the OP know a lot of people. Well, I'm beyond "frequent"... I'm an exclusive pugger... and I'm pretty sure I interact with more people than you and the OP combined. Take one of your bards and open up a lil potion shop somewhere to see what I mean

What I might suggest is that use of this exploit was nowhere near the frequency of past exploits, such as the blue flag heyday... and that is understandable, given the questionable benefit it provided. Regardless, it was being used on Khyber, so we probably shouldn't pat ourselves on the back too much.

[shores11]

Don't get me wrong I love the loot but that is far from the reason I bought DDO and pay my monthly fees. I joined up for questing and the joy of beating a quest, heck I never even joined groups that were looting part 1 or 2 of Shroud for loot or ingredients. If I didn't do that why would I want to get all the way to part 4 and give up 2 chests for part 4 completion just to get the 2 chests in part 5?

The extent some people will go to just so they can say "I was able to cheat the system". Folks enjoy the game for what it is and have fun I do thats why I don't see an end time for me coming concerning playing DDO.

[shores11]

It was only pugs that I heard of it being used in (after all, a guild doing so isn't likely to advertise the fact).

Given Khyber's history, I consider it downright silly to even entertain the thought that it wasn't happening on this server.

Are you serious, ROFL... Because guilds that cheat keep it internal and don't advertise they cheat means they don't cheat. What kind of logic is this?

I remember when I was younger and caught my brother cheating while playing monopoly (taking money from the bank; I always wondered why he wanted to be the banker). He told me that another older cousin in the family said it was ok as long as he did not get caught. I said the same thing to him. What the heck are you talking about, cheating is cheating.

And please do not anyone of you think that this was not happening on Kyber I know it has happened.

[Mithran]

... and I'm pretty sure I interact with more people than you and the OP combined.

Far be it from someone who's half Irish to take issue with a little creative hyperbole, Strakeln, but. . .

If I didn't make the top 40 List, it's only because I'm very very quiet; I run with a lot of people, though I'm sure most of them don't know all my characters.

On another note, you certainly know my perspective about Exploits, Strakeln: I don't use them and would leave a group as soon as I knew that the group intended to use them. This is not to say that I'm the server's superego when it comes to compulsively ethical behavior (I was in two Shroud raids that used Chain Lightning on the Crystal in Part 2 and didn't leave them), mind you, but I've been around the block a few times since Day One.

Its apparent prevalence on other servers was pointedly greater than on Khyber however, and I heard of NO GRIEFING on Khyber. Given our very reasonable pride in our drama, I think our lack of public disagreements about the Exploit lends itself well to our server's reputation. That's the point I was trying to make with my OP.

I've known for a few weeks about the Exploit and was obliged to explain it to members of my guild and my previous guild (I didn't mind doing so, knowing now that a fix is being developed), all of whom have reputations of the highest quality, and deserve them. I can remember it being proposed a couple times, but it was rejected both times by our group leaders and immediately, at that.

However, I'll allow as the fact that I wasn't in any groups who used the Exploit doesn't mean it didn't happen. "The world doesn't disappear when we close our eyes, does it?" - Memento.

[Strakeln]

Are you serious, ROFL... Because guilds that cheat keep it internal and don't advertise they cheat means they don't cheat. What kind of logic is this?

This is the kind of logic that results from your inability to understand what was clearly typed.

Re-read the text you quoted, maybe a bit slower this time. What I am saying is that guild groups are not likely to advertise what they are up to, so it is no surprise that I didn't hear about any of them exploiting. It says nothing about whether or not guild groups were exploiting, and it certainly doesn't go into any kind of twisted "if they don't talk about it, it's not cheating" logic.

[Jay203]

Are you serious, ROFL... Because guilds that cheat keep it internal and don't advertise they cheat means they don't cheat. What kind of logic is this?

I remember when I was younger and caught my brother cheating while playing monopoly (taking money from the bank; I always wondered why he wanted to be the banker). He told me that another older cousin in the family said it was ok as long as he did not get caught. I said the same thing to him. What the heck are you talking about, cheating is cheating.

And please do not anyone of you think that this was not happening on Kyber I know it has happened.

sigh, you're not getting it
he's saying even if the guild cheat amongst themselves, they will not openly admit it
which means just because a guild didn't say they're one of those that cheated doesn't mean they don't cheat >_>

[Strakeln]

If I didn't make the top 40 List, it's only because I'm very very quiet; I run with a lot of people, though I'm sure most of them don't know all my characters.

Well, if it's any consolation, I'm also very quiet and never make any lists. My point there was that if "proof" (term used lightly) has to do with number of people interacted with, you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who interacts with more people than Gtar and Qwijy. Consider that while I'm running a quest I'll have upwards of 10-20 customers...

Its apparent prevalence on other servers was pointedly greater than on Khyber however, and I heard of NO GRIEFING on Khyber. Given our very reasonable pride in our drama, I think our lack of public disagreements about the Exploit lends itself well to our server's reputation. That's the point I was trying to make with my OP.

I agree that the problem appeared to be more prevalent on other servers. I also heard of no griefing on Khyber, and agree that this shines a positive light on the server.

[maddmatt70]

I agree that the problem appeared to be more prevalent on other servers. I also heard of no griefing on Khyber, and agree that this shines a positive light on the server.

I tried to ascertain whether it was prevalent on other servers and if so which ones the exploit was prevalent on. It is obvious that on Thelanis it was all over the place and from Thelanis you can tell are where most of the supporters for closing the shroud are from. I have not gotten the impression it was widespread anywhere else to be honest with you from the multitude of posts regarding the subject on the forums.