non self-sufficiency

[Aranticus]

Awe, Shugar... that is quite frustrating. I cannot blame you for the rant, we all rant from time to time... as I said though it's best to try to sugar-coat (Shugar-coat) how you approach these people who run like this and point it out just as advice or experience - ie.) how you tell them may make a greater difference the next time... thus we may gain a better player in the long run after they hear it a few times.

suggested tactics, no one used ie fight with intimidate, in web/fog/ck. suggested using a shield, was told dps is more impt, to which i replied it helps the cleric and they made some remark that guildie has to heal them

in the vod run, the clerics suggested people to remove own curse as there were only 2 clerics and they were busy healing. the player in question just stood there until someone removed his curse and gave him a heal

[Emili]

Really do you need to tell level 15 and 16's to carry remove curse, blindness, poison, lesser restore pots?

I have 3 capped clerics and 1 14, i love playing clerics. People really annoy me though when they are deliberately not carrying pots.

I don't mind hitting you if you ran out or are raged, whatnot. I do mind the people who think it is my job to babysit.

I totally agree, and to be up front, I rarely run Heathier outside guild... (when she was growing up she kept me pretty much broke) If I know people in the group then I'll bring her... as a cleric she is probably the most neglected of all my girls as I play her the least... she's last on my thoughts. I cannot afford the costs of running her in pugs if I do not know least one or two people in it... the chances are fair that the pug will be good - but all it takes is one badly arranged group with a chaotic style of play and she'll put me next to poor house ... thus will have to run 3-4 other quests on the other girls to get her out of the hole. I was surprised at the last couple shroud runs I did with her... one with vorr as the other cleric and another where she was the lone cleric ... not a scroll or mana-pot used in both runs. Great groups. but as I said it only takes one or two players who through carelessness or assumption think that you're a personal nanny and throws all caution to the wind to eat into your pocket-book, nerves and your enjoyment.

Emili, grew up in pugs that first year of DDO... back in that time, we used to blind invite people all the time... first class I'd ping - a cleric - as such I knew I wanted the clerics to like my playing and took the viewpoint that - That mana-bar on them - is theirs... thus I tried to be as self-sufficeint as I can be. Sure I made mistakes from time to time but the attitude of self-contained is what we strive for.

[Boldrin]

i told ya i cant mess with the fire ele, i know my limits

Well you know cold shield cuts fire damage in half for a minute and 40 seconds too didn't you, lol. Mem it, gimp .
I still prefer running shroud to messing with you , was just trying to fill the void a bit, lol.

[Boldrin]

Awe, Shugar... that is quite frustrating. I cannot blame you for the rant, we all rant from time to time... as I said though it's best to try to sugar-coat (Shugar-coat) how you approach these people who run like this and point it out just as advice or experience - ie.) how you tell them may make a greater difference the next time... thus we may gain a better player in the long run after they hear it a few times.

I prefer the snide comment method.... Boy, this is normally so much easier when the cleric heals, or.. do you happen to have the heal spell memmed, lol. Those **** gimp clerics off, and melees all you have to do is point out that they have to swing their weapons to kill stuff, that kind of sublety usually works great for me. Guess thats why people group with me. They like the kind words and coddling, lol.

[Emili]

I prefer the snide comment method.... Boy, this is normally so much easier when the cleric heals, or.. do you happen to have the heal spell memmed, lol. Those **** gimp clerics off, and melees all you have to do is point out that they have to swing their weapons to kill stuff, that kind of sublety usually works great for me. Guess thats why people group with me. They like the kind words and coddling, lol.

lmao

[lazlow]

so there is no shroud to run and i went did other stuff. joined 2 groups 1 after another

group 1, monastery. 1 clr, 2 ftr, 1 mnk, 1 pal, 1 sorc. the mnk is a new roll and the other ftr is a 1st toon. throughout the quest, the mnk was zerging ahead and the group had to rush to save his behind. absolutely no ac nor had any pots at all. the fighter was wielding 2 weapons and all the while getting beat up by the mobs and again no pots. when i asked them what gear they were using, the mnk when on the defense. he said he did not had the ac as he were still lacking gear, namely no raiment. more importantly, when the fighter pulled a prot +5, he asked him immediately for it. problem is the fighter need it too. dps wise the other melees really suck, we had 140 kills total, me and the sorc accounted for 115

in my 2nd run, i was with a vod group. 3 players consistently needed remove curse. again unprepared. seriously on all my melee toons, i have at least 200 csw, 200 haste, 100 each of less restore, curse, disease, poison and blindness. my squishies carry 1/2 of them, and use wands if applicable

it doesnt really need alot of plat to get prepared, each stack is abt 8k pp. any one leveling up to L14-16 would have accumulated 100k or so. they also drop often in chests as well. needless to say, these people are now on the LIST

been reading these forums for a few months now, mostly for information or the occassional laugh...anywho..up until today I always found you to be informative and witty. Yet today ranticus i am extreamly disappointed....would have thought you were above such uber-tude. May your blade chip and shatter and your " list " grow long and lonely.

[Aranticus]

been reading these forums for a few months now, mostly for information or the occassional laugh...anywho..up until today I always found you to be informative and witty. Yet today ranticus i am extreamly disappointed....would have thought you were above such uber-tude. May your blade chip and shatter and your " list " grow long and lonely.

if you have read my threads, then you would know that i rant alot on the forums. if you have read my posts, then you would know i help new/returning players out but have no love for noobs. if you have read my posts, then you would know that i can have smart intellectual discussions but with people who are beyond reason i am snide and caustic

[dragonspeake]

it doesnt really need alot of plat to get prepared, each stack is abt 8k pp. any one leveling up to L14-16 would have accumulated 100k or so. they also drop often in chests as well. needless to say, these people are now on the LIST

Ha, ha, ha, that is the funniest thing ever. I have a couple of capped characters BUT i have never got more then 50k plat at one time. So just because you grind and play all the time it doesnt mean that the non-"uber" players who support 2 or 3 accounts to make the game more fun for others should have a whole bunch of money. If you carry that many pots, i ASSUMED that you gave the monk, fighter and pally about 50 apiece, RIGHT????

So watch what you say about others-i would be annoyed too, but honestly, ya dont need to put up hate forums because of it.

[Hordo]

Even I, the death-king, carry a whole slew of pots...and not just for myself. Half the time I'm also trying to remove the curse from the noob who doesn't have those pots on them when the clerics are otherwise occupied. Just buy a stack of pots you cheap @$$#$!

[Aranticus]

Ha, ha, ha, that is the funniest thing ever. I have a couple of capped characters BUT i have never got more then 50k plat at one time. So just because you grind and play all the time it doesnt mean that the non-"uber" players who support 2 or 3 accounts to make the game more fun for others should have a whole bunch of money. If you carry that many pots, i ASSUMED that you gave the monk, fighter and pally about 50 apiece, RIGHT????

So watch what you say about others-i would be annoyed too, but honestly, ya dont need to put up hate forums because of it.

i'm sorry doesnt work this way. if they are new i'd gladly pass them pots and such just to help them out. you have a couple of capped chars and i've ran with you in shroud. just by selling the vendor trash from shroud would net you 5-8k plat. large ingredients will net you even more. if you have several chars and do not have 50k plat then you got to look at the way you manage your resources

[Aussieee]

so there is no shroud to run and i went did other stuff. joined 2 groups 1 after another

group 1, monastery. 1 clr, 2 ftr, 1 mnk, 1 pal, 1 sorc. the mnk is a new roll and the other ftr is a 1st toon. throughout the quest, the mnk was zerging ahead and the group had to rush to save his behind. absolutely no ac nor had any pots at all. the fighter was wielding 2 weapons and all the while getting beat up by the mobs and again no pots. when i asked them what gear they were using, the mnk when on the defense. he said he did not had the ac as he were still lacking gear, namely no raiment. more importantly, when the fighter pulled a prot +5, he asked him immediately for it. problem is the fighter need it too. dps wise the other melees really suck, we had 140 kills total, me and the sorc accounted for 115

in my 2nd run, i was with a vod group. 3 players consistently needed remove curse. again unprepared. seriously on all my melee toons, i have at least 200 csw, 200 haste, 100 each of less restore, curse, disease, poison and blindness. my squishies carry 1/2 of them, and use wands if applicable

it doesnt really need alot of plat to get prepared, each stack is abt 8k pp. any one leveling up to L14-16 would have accumulated 100k or so. they also drop often in chests as well. needless to say, these people are now on the LIST

Oh boy where should I start?Saying that you were in a group with people that were new to the game or had a new guy coming up and not having gear..............I mean what would you expect?He didn't have money to get gear...........why would you think he would have money to buy potions?And after all if you are so self prepeared why don't you help out the party and give them some potions?

it seem that reading is a forgotten skill

i'd just love to see u lead a group of them into a raid and you're playing a cleric

As this coment I just have one thing to say if you leading the quest you make sure you tell people what you wan't them to haveNo simpathy for VOD group going in and crying that tanks don't remove their curses...............somethimes people forget what they need to bring for quest,or maybe they don't even know!!!
As a leader you should have told them before you got there!!!

[xanvar]

True sometimes people really dont know what to bring for quests that they have never ran before. I have never ran VOD so now I know that I need to bring remove curse wands. And yes It is possible that they didn't realize they were out of potions, the other day I was in a group and ran out of spell components mid quest, was embarrased but didn't do it on purpose. I do understand the need to rant though. Let it out, breath deeply then go kill something online, works for me.

[nbhs275]

Cleric = healer, remover of curses, diseases, etc etc.

Build a bridge or dont run a cleric.

Lets see ya finish a raid without tanks!

Um, lets see the tanks finish a raid without the Clerics.. I only know of a handful of tanks that have soloed reaver, or 3 manned titan/dragon, and the only successful VOD solo was a wizard. Melees arent in a position to be demanding everything of the other classes and making weak threats. He isnt saying fighters suck. Hes saying any moron can buy a stack of pots and use them.

[BlackSteel]

eh, for monastery I like to just zerg to the end on my cleric. Then fo, come back in, and collect all the stones so I can res them at the chests. Theres very little point in killing all the trash on the first floor, and the bottom floor its only necessary to get whatever wanders up to the puzzle.

[Redd]

what was the point of this thread? For the love of all sanity, bring back the shroud or shut down the forums :P

[Aranticus]

Oh boy where should I start?Saying that you were in a group with people that were new to the game or had a new guy coming up and not having gear..............I mean what would you expect?He didn't have money to get gear...........why would you think he would have money to buy potions?And after all if you are so self prepeared why don't you help out the party and give them some potions?

As this coment I just have one thing to say if you leading the quest you make sure you tell people what you wan't them to haveNo simpathy for VOD group going in and crying that tanks don't remove their curses...............somethimes people forget what they need to bring for quest,or maybe they don't even know!!!
As a leader you should have told them before you got there!!!

i used curse poison pots on them, told the cleric not to heal me so he has more sp for the rest, even donated to the cleric. they are not the ones affected by all that non sufficiency, the cleric is, i rather put money where the need lies

as for vod, i wasnt the leader

[Aranticus]

what Was The Point Of This Thread? For The Love Of All Sanity, Bring Back The Shroud Or Shut Down The Forums

Qft

[Aussieee]

in my 2nd run, i was with a vod group. 3 players consistently needed remove curse. again unprepared. seriously on all my melee toons, i have at least 200 csw, 200 haste, 100 each of less restore, curse, disease, poison and blindness. my squishies carry 1/2 of them, and use wands if applicable

needless to say, these people are now on the LIST

Well ok you werent a leader but you angry at the people that didn't have potions?Inventory space is small as it is not everyone bring all kind of stuff unleass they know they need them..............so maybe put the leader of the group in your list?Since they didn't tell everyone what they will need?

And by the way pugging isn't for everyone:P Not all the time everything goes how you want..............some people have more then others and some know less then others.

[Aussieee]

True sometimes people really dont know what to bring for quests that they have never ran before. I have never ran VOD so now I know that I need to bring remove curse wands. And yes It is possible that they didn't realize they were out of potions, the other day I was in a group and ran out of spell components mid quest, was embarrased but didn't do it on purpose. I do understand the need to rant though. Let it out, breath deeply then go kill something online, works for me.

Hey Xanvar you know you need that large scale to join my fan club right lol stil waiting on it:P

[Aranticus]

Well ok you werent a leader but you angry at the people that didn't have potions?Inventory space is small as it is not everyone bring all kind of stuff unleass they know they need them..............so maybe put the leader of the group in your list?Since they didn't tell everyone what they will need?

And by the way pugging isn't for everyone:P Not all the time everything goes how you want..............some people have more then others and some know less then others.

nope not angry, more like fustrated. been seeing lots more of such players these days. the impact is to drive clerics "underground". noticed this as less and less clerics are not on annon as well as a majority of them complaining of the lack of resources

small inventory space? could you please show me how you can fill 100 slots worth of gear more important than some pots?