I need some clarification

[Maxwell1380]

Ok, so my first Cleric was built when it was fashionable to splash one level of Sorc for the sp boost, etc etc. Scribner has 1801 sp at cap with the greensteel, and a +3 wis tome. Enough about Scribner. I am making a new cleric now, and I am just not sure if it is worth it to splash another level of sorc on this one, stay pure or what to do. I do not use my clerics for melee, i have fighters for that. I like to go the walking shrine route. Is there really that much benefit to multiclassing now? could use some opinions please.


Scribner 15/1 Cleric/Sorc Sarlona

[Lymnus]

Do you get more SP? Yes.
Is it worth it? Not in my personal opinion.

If you already have one with a splash of sorc, I say try something new.
Splash 2 monk for evasion, go halfling, and be more survivable.
Splash 2 wizard to get an extra metamagic feat you couldn't afford.
Or splash nothing at all, and try an offensive based caster.

[PurdueDave]

Do you get more SP? Yes.
Is it worth it? Not in my personal opinion.

If you already have one with a splash of sorc, I say try something new.
Splash 2 monk for evasion, go halfling, and be more survivable.
Splash 2 wizard to get an extra metamagic feat you couldn't afford.
Or splash nothing at all, and try an offensive based caster.

You mean 1 wizard?

[tihocan]

The walking shrine would probably benefit more from pure... you'll likely want to get that capstone enhancement.

[Lymnus]

You mean 1 wizard?

Yeah. 1 wizard.
Caught me. :X

[Mhykke]

I don't know, seems to me like I wouldn't change a thing if you want to go the walking shrine route.

Your 1 sorc, with a decent cha, gives you more SP and more turn attempts, which you can use for DVs.

[Gol]

1 sorc splash is pretty much a definitive identifier for a walking shrine build.

Same goes for a 2 Monk splash in a survival build.

[kinar]

1 sorc doesn't give you all that much more mana.

capstone is actually pretty pathetic (as someone pointed out on that thread, it is actually just a Level 4 cleric spell) and if you wanna be a walking shrine then you need all yer turn attempts

IMO, the only reason to not go pure cleric is if you want to build a battle cleric or you want to get evasion (in which case, you need high dex which doesn't give much option for DVs)

[parvo]

Why decide now? Start leveling up pure now and when you are ready for that 20th level, make your informed choice.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Why decide now? Start leveling up pure now and when you are ready for that 20th level, make your informed choice.

The biggest effect by splashing an arcane level onto a cleric is at the lower levels. Getting all of the arcane wand usage, the extra spell points at the lowest levels, the extra feat(for a wizard level)...


Taking the arcane level at 20 would be a waste, in my opinion.


I kinda vaguely remember people talking about 1 level sorc splashes back when the level cap was 14 or so, and they were guessing that endgame, that splash was actually going to end up with less spellpoints than a pure. But not by much.

I haven't seen anyone try to project the mana numbers out for a while, so I'm not sure if that still holds true or not.

[Zenako]

What levels are you concerned about?

1-6 - Way more SP with a Sorc Splash
7-12 - The margin drops some
13-16 - Still ahead but not by as much
17-20 - probably gonna come pretty close to the same totals by the end, ie not enough to worry about.

What do you give up? Capstone enhancements. Any other Level 20 Class Enhancements they might create. Spell slots on some high level spells (not yet known). Usually you end up giving up a slot of the highest level spells when you splash something. Will it matter if you only have 2 vs 3 9th level Spell slots (or 3 vs 4 if you count the forced healing spell), not sure of exact numbers as I type this. If there is only a couple of killer spells, then probably not, but keep in mind, you find that there are more killer spells than you have slots, you will have to choose.

Ok assuming they keep the same spell progressions:

16th 5-6th 5-7th 4-8th 0-9th
17th 6-6th 5-7th 4-8th 3-9th
18th 6-6th 5-7th 5-8th 4-9th
19th 6-6th 6-7th 5-8th 4-9th
20th 6-6th 6-7th 5-8th 5-9th

one of each of those slots is the HEALING spell of that level to reflect the Spontaneous Casting effect, so your actual choice at each level is 1 fewer options.

You can stay pure and still be a shrine, nothing precludes you from having a good/great CHA as a pure cleric if you want.

[alchilito]

stay pure you never know what will be there for you at level 20

[ForwardWu]

Stay pure, as you already have a cleric with split. At least you can try something different when mod9 is out

[faldordadink]

just incase you aren't convinced yet STAY PURE or no more cookies for you