what's your caster's ac?

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Blacksilk's is about 38/39 ish, unbuffed.
Khanari's is much lower......about 28 I think.

But in both cases, if they have SP, they seldom need it. Especially Khanari who is CC specced.

In both cases, I avoid too much agro, and esp avoid dragging the whole dungeon into my firewalls.

[Electric_Pulses]

59 self buffed s&s
2 recitation
4 inspire heroics
3 paladin aura
68

Once I finish my last 3 upgrades, add 6. So mid 70's raid buffed.

Nothing fancy anyone else can't get. Just have a higher dex then average wizard, and expertise.

yeah, i didnt consider outside buffs, in that case i could probably approach 68, if i ever get chatter ring i will on my own get 62 ac =D


Also for those saying 59ac isnt enough, I disagree. I went into Mount Reysalon bout 5min ago and pulled a small mob of gnolls. I got 2 shamans n 5 warriors. Just stood there n meleed em all to death, I had buffs on but no offensive casting. I didnt pay attention to the cr of the shamans but the cr on the warriors was 17, I also didnt have to back off n heal or anything. So through my own experiances 59ac is functionable.

[Desteria]

and I follow up with a Wounding sickle, thus saving more mana for mor rocky creations.

Or, if I am lazy, CK and a firewall. Sometimes i jump around, for old times sake!

I just liek to leave them some times most stuff will never break and even if it does never catchup rot the group when i do want to kill them i normaly use dreamspitter for the neg levels because the gfx for that is much mroe awsome then wounding, NOW if i had a coupel spair crappy WoP's, (ie 20 crit onyl ones) i'd use them but since i onyl have one WoP dagger i tradded for on my ranger so far I'll stick with deamspiiter for now

[Desteria]

Trade that wounding sickle in for a puncturing *anything* and you'll see much better results. Proficiency does not matter.

maby she carries the sicle to actuyl iuse on none stone stuff sometimes so hase it with her any way, and does not realyl want to spend the weight/inventory space fro another oP weapon.

but yes any onld oP would rock it.

[DaveyCrockett]

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[Hobgoblin]

maby she carries the sicle to actuyl iuse on none stone stuff sometimes so hase it with her any way, and does not realyl want to spend the weight/inventory space fro another oP weapon.

but yes any onld oP would rock it.

yes i know the coc says no flames for spelling, and i am not the worlds greatest speller but please at least try to keep it lucid so I dont get a migrane from trying to figure out what you are actually saying.

[Desteria]

Oh her ac is just 33 as she stands(unbuffed), but she is not built for ac or not a high hp either - is only 178hp - just cannot seem to find a good spot for a false life item ... I suppose I can place a minos helm on her and have a toughness feat for a few hp but am lazy even though there are probably 80 taps in the bank on other girls. Thing is 20hp? is a single swing from a mob, especialy a cleave from a strong one... heavy fort is important, AC does not matter unless you're breaching 70 when buffed up - unless you're not running elite I suppose? - Hp is important to those going toe to toe more then those who toss death from a distance... Thus from a distance there are only two things which can kill you.... range and spells... so then the trick is 1.) do not get ranged - simple enough keep moving and 2.) have good saves vs most spells sure a 200hp delay blast fireball will kill you if you do not save but half damage is 100 ... heals up quickly.

The only reason to have high ac or high hp (250+) on any caster is if that caster melees... DC's and spell damage amplication set at top tier is more important... Max, Empower, Heighten, Enlarge are by far the most important aspects of a caster. Typical targeted mob is dead from further then they can spot her anyway.

Not that it's not a valid choice in build for other's but AC and high HP are just secondary ... even thirds on my caster.

See i can wait until lmy CASTER is down your entier HP bar before I use a heal scroll, and it will not quite fill me, (i get 169hp from a scroll), and I dotn care about 200 pt DBFB it;s the 280 pt ones OR the ELite traps in monestary with no rouge you zerg in to .... even a save on thouse 2 cna put you well below half HP such that any follow up attack kills you befor you get healed.

at 319 hp unbuffed 335 with rage, + resists + Fireshield, I can take lag induced inta tripple DBFB's to the face in shroud part 4 and live normaly with room to spair...
the math of it... 280/2fire sheild =140 should make at least oen save so 140 140 and 70, 30 off each 110 110 and 40 = 260 damage leavign me with 75 HP left if i had no protections or temp hp before it that imo is EXCELENT suvivability sicne I've seen that happen more then once, note i could even take a 4th as long as i made the save though i;d be criticaly low also if i fall all 3 i'm still alive around 5 hp, and hititng a prot fire adn heal scroll REALLLLLY fast...

[Hobgoblin]

[QUOTE=Desteria;1949589] whole bunch o stuff i can actually make out





thank you

[BurningDownTheHouse]

[QUOTE=Hobgoblin;1949592]

whole bunch o stuff i can actually make out





thank you

The guy is dyslectic, give him a break.
Put a few more seconds into reading it and you will get it just fine...

[dragonofsteel2]

yeah, i didnt consider outside buffs, in that case i could probably approach 68, if i ever get chatter ring i will on my own get 62 ac =D


Also for those saying 59ac isnt enough, I disagree. I went into Mount Reysalon bout 5min ago and pulled a small mob of gnolls. I got 2 shamans n 5 warriors. Just stood there n meleed em all to death, I had buffs on but no offensive casting. I didnt pay attention to the cr of the shamans but the cr on the warriors was 17, I also didnt have to back off n heal or anything. So through my own experiances 59ac is functionable.

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Long Live Xoriat!

Sounds like got melee caster there, I would never melee anything with my caster because I would get bored, second shamans don't usually try to hit with melee weapons so no idea what they matter for saying 59ac does not matter, yes with that much ac can take little better beating, if fits your style more power to you. To me not worth the dex score and trouble you have place in it, I like instant kill spells and have blast so need to max my cha or int score to do it. Also my caster likes his 301hp so tend to trend away from the trouble collecting ac gear. It does not impress me you built a toon with 59ac that a caster. If you are so proud of your build please post it, some others might like to play one. Otherwise I can careless. I know its possible to build casters with higher AC then that, do not have clue what your thread is suppose to be about though if do not post your build p. Although just guessing what your caster is since you did not give much information, there at least three to four other ways beside what listed below to build a Ac caster.

Ac caster if you want
elf
20dex +4 for levels +3 tome+ 2 elf +6 item=35 so get shroud item +3 dex, 38 dex +14 to ac, icy raiment +4 dodge bonus, +1 al. bonus, +1 dodge feat, +3 chattering ring, +4 shield spell, +5 prot item, +3 bark potions or item, +4 shroud weapon, +8 armor bracers, +7 shield, now wearing the shield and two shroud item not possible, so we have take off +2 for dex,

so math time
10base
12dex - because shield gives better ac,
4 IR
1 alchemist
1DF
3CR
4SS
5PI
3BP or item
4SW
8AB
7S
grand total= 62ac, did not add combat expertise, because u said it was a caster not a fighter/caster. that could boost you to 67ac self buffed ). So please tell again what the point of this thread is?? Show use your build that your so impress with, I do warn you though some can get a bit critical on the threads, but please stop these oh look ac my caster has blah blah blah, or I can get this ac on my blah blah blah, if want to share a build, I understand that and do like more knowledge, but a thread about I can get my ac to blah blah blah, means nothing to me.

[DoctorWhofan]

Trade that wounding sickle in for a puncturing *anything* and you'll see much better results. Proficiency does not matter.

Requires having one. My trick isto stonethem, then hit them with it. auto crits. I have wounding cuz she happened to pull one from a chest and my hubby was using the statagy quite successfully.

[DoctorWhofan]

my 28 point capped caster is at a 20 AC... with bracers and something else... otherwise she is at an 11... and she dies a lot... but it doesn't bother me... she dies cause I forget to jump around sometimes or to move... but she kills just about everything around her... so even if she goes down she is taking the rest with her.

she has 222 hp and 2230 sp... need to upgrade the goggles to get her more sp.... but I wasn't overly worried about it since she can go through most quests with the max/emp on and then throw on the extend at hit the extras.

She is my fave one to play... prolly cause I don't want to be front line melee... and I don't want to solo... if I wanted to solo I wouldn't play the game

I like you!

[Lithic]

Trade that wounding sickle in for a puncturing *anything* and you'll see much better results. Proficiency does not matter.

trade i the puncturing *anything* for TWO puncturing anythings for even better results.

Best results though are likely +5 holyburst heavy picks of puncturing with a bloodstone (Well, second to W/P heavy picks of course) My caster currently skips the bloodstone, and uses +3 thundering of puncturing heay picks though as I have yet to find the above

Why not do massive damage while puncturing?

[Xyfiel]

Sounds like got melee caster there, I would never melee anything with my caster because I would get bored, second shamans don't usually try to hit with melee weapons so no idea what they matter for saying 59ac does not matter, yes with that much ac can take little better beating, if fits your style more power to you. To me not worth the dex score and trouble you have place in it, I like instant kill spells and have blast so need to max my cha or int score to do it. Also my caster likes his 301hp so tend to trend away from the trouble collecting ac gear. It does not impress me you built a toon with 59ac that a caster. If you are so proud of your build please post it, some others might like to play one. Otherwise I can careless. I know its possible to build casters with higher AC then that, do not have clue what your thread is suppose to be about though if do not post your build p. Although just guessing what your caster is since you did not give much information, there at least three to four other ways beside what listed below to build a Ac caster.

Ac caster if you want
elf
20dex +4 for levels +3 tome+ 2 elf +6 item=35 so get shroud item +3 dex, 38 dex +14 to ac, icy raiment +4 dodge bonus, +1 al. bonus, +1 dodge feat, +3 chattering ring, +4 shield spell, +5 prot item, +3 bark potions or item, +4 shroud weapon, +8 armor bracers, +7 shield, now wearing the shield and two shroud item not possible, so we have take off +2 for dex,

so math time
10base
12dex - because shield gives better ac,
4 IR
1 alchemist
1DF
3CR
4SS
5PI
3BP or item
4SW
8AB
7S
grand total= 62ac, did not add combat expertise, because u said it was a caster not a fighter/caster. that could boost you to 67ac self buffed ). So please tell again what the point of this thread is?? Show use your build that your so impress with, I do warn you though some can get a bit critical on the threads, but please stop these oh look ac my caster has blah blah blah, or I can get this ac on my blah blah blah, if want to share a build, I understand that and do like more knowledge, but a thread about I can get my ac to blah blah blah, means nothing to me.

Not the op but someone with a high ac, versatile wizard. He asked and was curious when I answered his initial question. Seems the thread has a purpose other then bragging.
How are those instant kills and nukes working out in the new content for you?
Prey=I can twf wp, inside my nukes
Monastery=I can sneak thru, w/p, insta kill, whatever.
Kobold=Evasion and nuking.
SoS=wp, and firewall/dps at same time for Sorjek.
All of this while being able to self heal and having a 55 twf self buffed AC. Of course I have no use for dt armor...

[MissErres]

Capped human sorc. Unbuffed AC is 20ish. Has 204 hp and 2480 sp. What she can't insta-kill she can either control or is smart enuf to let the melee's take care of it. She doesn't die much... which is the point, right?

[Emili]

I don't agree that AC and high HP are only for melee casters.

Maybe if your caster doesn't solo a lot, you don't see the need for HP. But I can guarantee that I need my 300 HP in a lot of quests.

But, I tend to use my caster as a frontline combatant, and let displacement and stoneskin do the walking. Casters do the best damage when they have the aggro of everything in the room and can put all the creatures exactly where they want them.

It also means you get a lot of DBFs, chain lightnings, and other things thrown your way.

That 178hp caster of mine solo'd reaver a few times without use of the safe spot back when cap was 14... her hp was what 150ish then? The casters in my sig have and do solo plenty of end-game content if lucritive... when I think about it she actually solo's a lot, twitch is the skill lower hp people use. Soloing brings in the cash during slow off hours when groups are hard to build... Point being Hp and Ac are not a neccessity to solo - just some thought about what you're doing.

Typically as I said death is from afar in most cases... typical suggestion for an army of mob recruits saves time, sp and money... for close quarters in worst case you're going to toss a fw and run in circles when alone and occasionally spam a spell or two. DBFs, chain lightnings... heal yourself and have decent saves for half damages. My wizard and cleric are actually the most neglected characters in my account... not twinked in any relm except for casting purposes, and the real point I'm raising is that it does not matter if you have pushed stats outside primes toward the high end, you know your limits and play the character accordingly... the game is easy, there are more then one way to solve a quest, more then one way to solo a quest...

ie.) Sgail's 22 con yields enough of hp for her the way I play her right now, her dex is 24 - She could possibly have a mid ac if I wanted to gear her... course I would add a GFL on her if I had one to spare for more hp... she's no greensteel items as of yet (can add some hp's there) as there are other characters in line for the use of ingredients first. Would I toss on racial toughness? - thought about it, figure would have to take a toughness feat eventually as they're going to drop minos as an opener for them, no I rather put the feats and ap's in her casting, Does it mean she's a whimp? No you just play the character smart.

[Emili]

See i can wait until lmy CASTER is down your entier HP bar before I use a heal scroll, and it will not quite fill me, (i get 169hp from a scroll), and I dotn care about 200 pt DBFB it;s the 280 pt ones OR the ELite traps in monestary with no rouge you zerg in to .... even a save on thouse 2 cna put you well below half HP such that any follow up attack kills you befor you get healed.

at 319 hp unbuffed 335 with rage, + resists + Fireshield, I can take lag induced inta tripple DBFB's to the face in shroud part 4 and live normaly with room to spair...
the math of it... 280/2fire sheild =140 should make at least oen save so 140 140 and 70, 30 off each 110 110 and 40 = 260 damage leavign me with 75 HP left if i had no protections or temp hp before it that imo is EXCELENT suvivability sicne I've seen that happen more then once, note i could even take a 4th as long as i made the save though i;d be criticaly low also if i fall all 3 i'm still alive around 5 hp, and hititng a prot fire adn heal scroll REALLLLLY fast...

If you're raging then you're a meleeing caster... HP is more important to you... like Creepin' which is an excellent melee btw. Still comes down to game play though, I've seen axer melee on his barb end-game with just 320hp, quicktoezy melee on his bard with 210hp in high end elite settings and survive better then some high end ac/hp builds none the less... is just aboutknowing how to play the toon.

[Electric_Pulses]

i am not here to brag, i am simply curioous if others go an ac route on their casters

[Darth_Sizzle]

Not trying to be too inflammatory, but really, who cares what the AC on a caster is?

[Desteria]

If you're raging then you're a meleeing caster... HP is more important to you... like Creepin' which is an excellent melee btw. Still comes down to game play though, I've seen axer melee on his barb end-game with just 320hp, quicktoezy melee on his bard with 210hp in high end elite settings and survive better then some high end ac/hp builds none the less... is just aboutknowing how to play the toon.

Rage spell(self buffed for the +2 con).... I have 9 str .... STILL havent looted a +2 tome with her... only time I melle is Portals goo dule A's malace, and Stones things.... welll maby a shroud run if i'm out of SP's for polar, havent looted a MM/FM wand in the run, and the clerics/bard dotn need healign help... Then i'll go swing my +9 staff od doing 3d6 damage about once every 10 swings becasue i miss a lto and cant break the DR

Axer would have more HP by now, and he was NOT 320 raged (I know he was 500+ when ever we did elite runs on shroud)... I miss quicktoes .... Neath of that was at current end game though neither have played for a few mods, newer badguys tend to hit harder or faster OR have insaine amounds of AE damage around them that eats through none evation HP's fast if you dotn have enough to last through it.