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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhykke View Post
    B/c an argument can be made that as a caster, you're sacrificing item slots for AC that isn't spectacular. Also, as a caster, you're avoiding aggro in the first place, and when u do get it, you neutralize it right away, instead of sitting there letting the mob swing at you....and the few occasions the mob does swing at you, you have some sort of protection on yourself like displacement and/or stoneskin.
    Some people might have to make sacrifices whereas others will find they still have flexibility with the items they use.

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    Well, sitting at 315 HP, with displacement, stoneskin, all resists, and the ability to use heal scrolls... lemme see.

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    And yet, I never seem to die... I'm guessing that most mobs simply have 'to hits' that are around -13.

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    Oh her ac is just 33 as she stands(unbuffed), but she is not built for ac or not a high hp either - is only 178hp - just cannot seem to find a good spot for a false life item ... I suppose I can place a minos helm on her and have a toughness feat for a few hp but am lazy even though there are probably 80 taps in the bank on other girls. Thing is 20hp? is a single swing from a mob, especialy a cleave from a strong one... heavy fort is important, AC does not matter unless you're breaching 70 when buffed up - unless you're not running elite I suppose? - Hp is important to those going toe to toe more then those who toss death from a distance... Thus from a distance there are only two things which can kill you.... range and spells... so then the trick is 1.) do not get ranged - simple enough keep moving and 2.) have good saves vs most spells sure a 200hp delay blast fireball will kill you if you do not save but half damage is 100 ... heals up quickly.

    The only reason to have high ac or high hp (250+) on any caster is if that caster melees... DC's and spell damage amplication set at top tier is more important... Max, Empower, Heighten, Enlarge are by far the most important aspects of a caster. Typical targeted mob is dead from further then they can spot her anyway.

    Not that it's not a valid choice in build for other's but AC and high HP are just secondary ... even thirds on my caster.
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    My 16th sorcerer is usually at 26 AC.

    My 14 wizard/2 ranger tends to be at 39 AC.
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    14/2 Cleric/Monk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emili View Post
    The only reason to have high ac or high hp (250+) on any caster is if that caster melees... DC's and spell damage amplication set at top tier is more important... Max, Empower, Heighten, Enlarge are by far the most important aspects of a caster. Typical targeted mob is dead from further then they can spot her anyway.

    Not that it's not a valid choice in build for other's but AC and high HP are just secondary ... even thirds on my caster.
    I don't agree that AC and high HP are only for melee casters.

    Maybe if your caster doesn't solo a lot, you don't see the need for HP. But I can guarantee that I need my 300 HP in a lot of quests.

    But, I tend to use my caster as a frontline combatant, and let displacement and stoneskin do the walking. Casters do the best damage when they have the aggro of everything in the room and can put all the creatures exactly where they want them.

    It also means you get a lot of DBFs, chain lightnings, and other things thrown your way.

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    Pretty good man im at a 24 ac... no buffs...

    curious, how did you get that high?

    Got a 20 dex..
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    AC on my Sorcerer = non-existant.

    Problem? = No.
    I have Displacement.
    I have Stoneskin.
    I run out of melee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maegin View Post
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    Why such big AC for a caster?

    Why not? Think about it... heck if your crazy enough you add some intimidate on it with high ac...

    Drop a nasty fire wall, turtle up and intim everything right into the firewall...or better yet.. a cloud kill!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoose View Post
    Why not? Think about it... heck if your crazy enough you add some intimidate on it with high ac...

    Drop a nasty fire wall, turtle up and intim everything right into the firewall...or better yet.. a cloud kill!!!!
    Do you really need intim. if the firewall truly is "nasty?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhykke View Post
    Do you really need intim. if the firewall truly is "nasty?"
    it can help to keep them bunched up, it could be that some of them are not in the firewall.. but in the intim range..
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    Default good idea

    i did not think of intimidate on my caster, not sure if i cld get it up high enough but that wld be fun to have. and moose you and me think alike, only i also toss down an acid fog with my fw or cloudkill, for if i wanna cart em around and on crits its 120 a tick. 59 ac is not always conventional on a caster but imo its nice. set down my aoe n like u said turtle up.

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    Evasion 14 Wizard 2 Rogue = 41 Self Buffed AC. 264 HP's help also, but evasion is the REAL trick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoose View Post
    Why not? Think about it... heck if your crazy enough you add some intimidate on it with high ac...

    Drop a nasty fire wall, turtle up and intim everything right into the firewall...or better yet.. a cloud kill!!!!
    Intimidate isn't a bad idea. But you don't need AC to mitigate damage if you're mobile.


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    my 28 point capped caster is at a 20 AC... with bracers and something else... otherwise she is at an 11... and she dies a lot... but it doesn't bother me... she dies cause I forget to jump around sometimes or to move... but she kills just about everything around her... so even if she goes down she is taking the rest with her.

    she has 222 hp and 2230 sp... need to upgrade the goggles to get her more sp.... but I wasn't overly worried about it since she can go through most quests with the max/emp on and then throw on the extend at hit the extras.

    She is my fave one to play... prolly cause I don't want to be front line melee... and I don't want to solo... if I wanted to solo I wouldn't play the game
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    I have sps and hps goggles. Had my sps still on at time of pic. I will hit mid 70's soon.


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    Default wow!

    thats a very nice ac xyfiel, amazing! highest i have seen on a caster, full wizzy or multi class. was your ac slef buffed? cuz im not quite sure how a drow 13wiz 3rog gets that high, plz teach me a bit bout your build.

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    MY AC is 20 ish, with 1565 SP and 142 HP unbuffed. I've got an 35 Int, with full spell pen. I wear the Storm Reaver's Napkin to add +1 to all my spell DC's in addition to necro focus

    I may be squishy, but pre-mod8 my spells hit every time. The I mean what's the point of a gazillion spell points if they fail half the time. Then they jacked up the saves now they land 95% of the time. In most quests I haven't noticed much of a difference in success rate. The only quest I have yet to try is the Reaver to see how my spells success rate.

    PS. Just noticed that your wizard's name is Rocker. Are you on Thelanis? I ran with you a few days ago on Silveran, next time I'll bring Phauren to see how we compare.
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    59 self buffed s&s
    2 recitation
    4 inspire heroics
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    Once I finish my last 3 upgrades, add 6. So mid 70's raid buffed.

    Nothing fancy anyone else can't get. Just have a higher dex then average wizard, and expertise.

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    Level 16 Human Sorcerer - 378HP Unbuffed. To hades with AC.
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