Devs: Any hints on Holy Avenger before the holidays?

[Uska]

loot is not a way to help the paladin class in any case but this (exclusive to paladin item) case

in any case, as we all know, not all holy avengers were really created alike, and most had unique names and powers (the dispel and sr abilities werent even universal, though close).

there were extra damage vs chaotic evil avengers, extra damage vs evil spellcaster avengers, etc, etc

there's no reason not to have some customizability (hell, just a series of choices that leads to 4-5 template avengers with unique names would rock) in an item that if designed well should be part and parcel of every paladin build.

if this item is a longsword, my paladin will not use it, and that will disappoint me enormously.

if it isn't keen, im gonna have a hard time working it in as it is (a rapier variant may be an option, but i'd rather have a keen slashing avenger), and Im already turning tricks trying to figure out if it will have an insight ac option (a big problem for me as well, though one i can manage around by doing triple leviks)


another idea:

this item should have 3 unlockable powers entirely separate from any choices, level options, etc:

it should gain 1 different power for each of the paladin prestige classes (scaling up the bonus for the class tiers: having defender of siberys I gives you a certain bonus (even if you have 20 pally levels, you may for some reason choose not to do all 3 tiers of an enhancement), having defender of sib 3 = bigger bonus of the same type).

no one can have more than one anyway, but this would be a really cool way to further synergize the avenger with the prcs, and they've already said that mod9 raidloot will have effects that synergize with capstone enhancements, so they are already designing this mechanic.

Actually all the orignal holy avengers were the same, exactly same powers and all were long swords

[Geonis]

Actually all the orignal holy avengers were the same, exactly same powers and all were long swords

Part of the reason I was saying Long Sword and Short Sword only a Str and a Dex option, but not the best choice of either). I don't think the Holy Avenger should be a weapon every Pally uses. I think it should be on par with Greensteel, but not surpass it, and in some circumstances (builds/mobs), it should be an inferior choice. That being said, it should surpass the Holy Sword spell.

[Mhykke]

Part of the reason I was saying Long Sword and Short Sword only a Str and a Dex option, but not the best choice of either). I don't think the Holy Avenger should be a weapon every Pally uses. I think it should be on par with Greensteel, but not surpass it, and in some circumstances (builds/mobs), it should be an inferior choice. That being said, it should surpass the Holy Sword spell.

Why shouldn't avengers surpass greensteel, if only slightly?

By the time avengers come out, a lot of paladins will have their greensteel weapons made. Not only that, the devs told us that avengers will gain in power the higher the level of paladin using it, and there will be a special quest to get it. Why spend time creating items and quests on things that aren't better than things in the game today? Why waste dev time?

[Beherit_Baphomar]

Holy Avengers should probably stay only Long Sword and Short Sword, neither is the optimal type, but both are still useful.

Neither is optimal.
So leaving it on longsword, bastard sword, great sword and shortsword would mean it would never be used.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

Why shouldn't avengers surpass greensteel, if only slightly?

By the time avengers come out, a lot of paladins will have their greensteel weapons made. Not only that, the devs told us that avengers will gain in power the higher the level of paladin using it, and there will be a special quest to get it. Why spend time creating items and quests on things that aren't better than things in the game today? Why waste dev time?

Roleplaying, Mhykke, roleplaying...

:/

[Ganak]

I suspect there will be a level 20 Paladin enhancement (and lower tier enchancements as well) that add to the Holy Avenger's power.

Per Kate Paiz :

"Some of the high-level Enhancements players can get at level 20 will also stack with the raid set bonuses to give even greater benefits."

from http://www.gamebanshee.com/interviews/dndonline6-2.php

I'm down to choosing between a Pure 20 Pally or 18 Paladin/2 Monk to roll. I'm waiting to see the Paladin capstone and Holy Avenger info before I choose. I'm in need of somethings to do between now and mod 9, please an official word on this subject!

[dragonoffrost]

I see a problem with Holy Avengers being a Longsword only.

An Elven Paladin in this setting should be using a scimitar. The specialized weapon per the Undying Court enhancement is scimitar.

I know I'm getting picky but I already see my Elven pure paladin taking greatswords with the holy sword spell just because she can get a little more dps. I don't want to see her using a long sword because it's the only option a Holy Avenger comes in. GIVE US A REASON TO KEEP TRUE TO THE LORE OF THE UNDYING COURT!!!!