List of 40 solid melee-oriented characters on Khyber

[Gornn]

Nominate Taomoat on one of his various chars.

[merridyan]

From a clerics standpoint top dps, and good ac, and hit points all go hand in hand. It's terrible to heal a high dps player that is squishy and takes all my mana to keep him or her up.. so here are my favorite DPS'rs that can take a hit and give two back...
in no particular order.

Nuckles
Viragon
Malgorr/Athrogate
Lorich or one of his several Lorrich fighter builds (he's just good)
Rimmy (He has a bunch of rimmy's his rogue is my favorite)
Torrosar
Shinkicker/Takota

[babygirl]

I see how it is!!! I see how this works...only males are applied! Well then! LOL! seriously though I must say even though maloxin is only lvl 13 he hurts!

[Artagon]

I nominate Skitzofrenik.

[Torosar]

From a clerics standpoint top dps, and good ac, and hit points all go hand in hand. It's terrible to heal a high dps player that is squishy and takes all my mana to keep him or her up.. so here are my favorite DPS'rs that can take a hit and give two back...
in no particular order.

Nuckles
Viragon
Malgorr/Athrogate
Lorich or one of his several Lorrich fighter builds (he's just good)
Rimmy (He has a bunch of rimmy's his rogue is my favorite)
Torrosar
Shinkicker/Takota

Oh noes! That's my cleric

[deadkitty]

Oh noes! That's my cleric

I want my cleric nominated

[gillilandjoshua]

i nominate ales uber pally of death and mayhem

[gillilandjoshua]

would also like to nominate kally, and prey

[Arkat]

Heh thanks Arkat... hows your take on it all coming along?

Right now I'm working on my battle bard. Eventually I'll get around to a variant of your build.

[LeeRoy]

Ales cuz hese dps and self suff !

what a beastly combo

Maxolin confirmed also he dps'd through my 500 hp gimp sorc's reconstucts and killed me

[Mithran]

Confirming Prey

[BigBadBarry]

Some very solid Aussie-time melee'ers...who are on at US off-peak so many may not know them.

Main and just as good melee alts listed:

RedTempest
Tuffas (Bowdiddley)
Metella (Milvus)
Kelriith

Can also confirm Torro and Rimmy who have already been noted.

Also I don't see Solyroi (sp) from Lava Divers nominated. He won the Rainbow Solo speed run contest and is a pretty good player. Is he still playing?

[Arkat]

Confirming Prey

I don't think Prey's eligible is he? I haven't seen him in ages. I wonder if he even has an account anymore?

[Guildmaster_Kadish]

I don't think Prey's eligible is he? I haven't seen him in ages. I wonder if he even has an account anymore?

Although I would also confirm Prey, guild roster indicates he hasn't logged on for two months.

[Gornn]

Some very solid Aussie-time melee'ers...who are on at US off-peak so many may not know them.


RedTempest
Tuffas (Bowdiddley)
Metella (Milvus)
Kelriith

Confirm

[Strakeln]

Lists updated as of this post. As usual, feel free to PM/post corrections or to let me know if I missed a nomination/confirmation.

[Kahoun]

***Cue Clip of Srakeln monologue***

I do a lot of things all the time without considering superiority, inferiority, or anything in between. In fact, that's part of why I take such issue with you attempting to say that it has anything to do with my intent. One of my firmly held and practiced core beliefs is in the equality of people. I don't consider myself superior to anyone, I consider everyone to be different in their own unique way.

And to be honest, I'm a little offended. Not to toot my own horn, but I've done a thing or two for this server in my time here. Enough that I'd expect I could make a thread like this without being accused of doing so out of a desire to prop myself up as superior to others.

Since you have so much trouble believing me, why don't you ask around. See if I've been enough of a giving community participant to convince you that my intent is not universally selfish.

***award music swells***
***Several spotlights circle the stage and slowly converge on an impressive backdrop statue of a man at a computer screen playing DDO with only one hand while holding an Axe in the other. Clearly no expense was spared in the preparation of this setting. A figure is seen on stage, and the camera's pull in for a tight shot of the Compere; It is Kahoun the controversial forum troll, looking rather spiffy***
***cue applause***

Kahoun: Thank you, and Thank you for all being here on this momentous occasion. Well this thread has been a roller coaster ride! Our man Strakeln is not one to toot his own horn, and so I am stepping in as a conscientious community member to give this list the credit it so completely deserves. Pull up a chair and enjoy your meal as we review some of my favorite moments from the highlight reel:

***lights fade***
***cue clip***

Kahoun: Logic dictates that you think your list is potentially superior, else you would not have posted it with the above statement. I see you are still adding nominations, you must think it is doing well, no?
Strake:...Logic does not dictate that I think my list is potentially superior... your faulty logic does.
---cut to next clip---
Do you think this list you have created is superior to the top-20 lists you mention in the above quote?
No.
But let me guess, despite that direct rebuttal of a yes-or-no question, you're certain that you know and understand my intent better than I do. You'll claim that while I say 'no', I mean 'yes', right?
---cut to next clip---
You clearly thought you had something better and different to offer the community in place of Top-20 lists, did you not?
Different, yes, better, maybe/maybe not, but not a goal of the thread.
---cut to next clip---
You made a the claim (verbatim): “we keep trying to do top 20 lists and all that, which don't usually work out too well” (which I assume to mean your preference is for a list that somehow works out better, as to how you envisage such a list can exist I am still not sure)
Are you blind? With the exception of your posts, this thread has worked out better...

***spotlight back on Kahoun***
Kahoun: (forced laughter) Hahahaa, Straken seems a little confused. Good times, good times.
We all know that he is too modest to commit to any one value judgment of his own work, but he did get there in the end, didn't he! What a sense of humour.
Now some of you know that I am not particularly moved by people who value popularity as a gauge for greatness, but there are those in the community who thrive on it. Whereas someone could make a popularity contest, and someone else can make a list that measures player skill by an objective criteria, our man Straken has taken bits from both and stuck them into one!
Luckily I had a chance to interview Mr. Strakeln about his fascinating format.
***Kahoun turns to the big screen***
***Cue interview clip***

Kahoun: Mr. Strakeln, hello and welcome to “This is your thread”. Your friends will attest to your involvement with the community, your character and your good intentions for Khyber. Most recently you have decided to instate this new format for “40 solid melee-oriented players”. Tell me, how does it work?
Strake: Okay, so we keep trying to do top 20 lists and all that, which don't usually work out too well. (So I thought we should) try something new. (I made the following) Rules,
1-"Melee" is open-ended. From the intimitank to the tempest to the survivalist to the specialist to the generalist... they all count in their own way.
2-To make the list, a player/character must be nominated by one person and confirmed by two others
3-Any poster may nominate and/or confirm any number of player/characters
4-Nominated player/characters must be currently active (playing DDO)
5-A player may not nominate or confirm him/herself
6-Feel free to include a story or something about the player/character
7-Confirmed nominations will be listed in alphabetical order

Kahoun: I see. Some people would say that your criteria is rather subjective, do you think this is a problem?
Strake: For the record, the word "objective" is never mentioned in my post. However, the word "subjective" is mentioned once, and it even has the modifier "completely".

Why did you think the Khyber forums needed such a list?
People like to give credit/shout-outs/whatever to those they think play well. Most top 20 lists devolve into flamewars. I thought maybe this format would allow one without the other.
Actually, I said shout-outs/credits/whatever, by which I was implying that I really wasn't able to come up with a truly appropriate description... Maybe something like "community-reviewed credit".

That's nice, it is good to encourage the community to credit their peers. You made this list so that completely subjectively community reviewed credit could be used to encourage the well-built melee oriented players of Khyber.
You say well-built, that's not really a qualification I put forth. Whatever makes that player/character stellar to you, that's what qualifies them... good build, good playskills, whatever.

Ahh yes I was wondering about that actually, your rules do not account for any sort of player skill at all. The only thing I see that hints on it is in the title of your list, which claims it is for “Solid” melee oriented characters. “Solid” is a rather ambiguous descriptor, do you think that 3 nominations from people who all have a different criteria for what makes for a “Solid Melee” character is a valid way of discerning who should be on your list? I mean, given your other list rules it seems more like a popularity competition.
There's a hole in your argument, and that is that this thread has not worked out as a complete popularity contest. Since you likely play on the other side of the clock, you probably aren't very familiar with a lot of the posters here. Being more familiar with them, I know that many of the nominations and confirmations came from people without a lot of love for each other... hence my comment about Goolan. You may think this is a popularity contest - and I don't deny that that is inherently part of it - but from what I see, it's much less of one than you can tell.
It is politically-correct, completely subjective, democratically-designed, and alphabetically-ordered.

But in a democracy candidates get to campaign to win sway over a hierarchy of power, not to make a shortlist of alphabetically ordered people who might be “solid”. There are also a few parties with different criteria which hopefully define their views, some of which are in opposition to each other, and a balance of power depends on debate as well as popularity – and even then, some of those voted in fall well short of the skills they need to do a good job. Your list was designed by one person and does not include many of hallmarks of democracy. Why did you think this was a good idea?
I made this list because I'm an active participant in the community... just like every other thread I've made. I made a list "all of my own", in a format I thought might reduce the bickering... it's just that simple.

But it doesn't do what you actually claim it to do...
Laith: I'll just cut in if I may

Kahoun: Sure by all means, it is a forum after all.
Laith This list makes the subjectivity of the thread very obvious in the first post: you gain a place after accumulating 3 subjective opinions. Whether or not you decide to apply this subjective advice to your gaming experience is completely your choice.

Kahoun yes I know it does, but Strakeln seems to think it does something more and evidently so do some of the people adding nominations. I know I'm not alone in thinking this, I've seen other people making a point of the lack of criteria.
Strakeln: it is very clearly my character that has been under criticism here. Perhaps you should re-look at your posts if you think that is not the case.
I seriously suggest that you try to become an active participant in the community instead of the "guy who comes and ***** all over the forums". Click on your name and look at your last 50+ posts. What the hell are you doing here besides imposing your vile attitude on others and being a general pain in the ass? Are you actually interested in the game, or are you just here to start **** on the forums?

Boldrin: YEAH! Strake is a good guy and an asset to the Khyber community... who are you?

Kahoun: How can I question your character, my knowledge of you is limited to this thread. From all accounts you are a good guy with sincere motives, but that doesn't make you not responsible for this farce of a list. I want to know if you recognize it's inconsistencies and I'm curious to see what you will do about them.
Strakeln: Really, Kahoun, sit back, take a deep breath, and try to look at the bigger picture. Apply some context. And stop looking at everything through your jaded glasses. Try re-reading this thread without your pre-determined conclusions, read it with an open mind.

Kahoun; I have an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out onto the floor. If you will not recognize and own the problems with the list you have made then perhaps your intentions are not so noble? The point I would dearly love to drive home is that no matter what format a player popularity list takes, it is by its own very nature: exclusionary, elitist, and...
Invalid via its subjectivity.
What you fail to realize is that your opinion of this list: exclusionary, elitist, and invalid - are all your own subjective opinions. Sorry, buddy, but even your ego isn't enough to declare any of that as fact. Here, I'll rephrase your last paragraph for you:
"The point I would dearly love to drive home is that no matter what format an admittedly subjective list takes, my opinion will still label it as exclusionary, elitist, and invalid via its subjectivity".
Lots of people do things every day without malicious, selfish, or otherwise undesirable intent. Not sure why it's so hard for you to understand this. I didn't have an agenda when starting this thread, I had an idea and decided to give it a whirl, as active community members of our server tend to do.

I thought your agenda was to, oh here we are again at square one. Well, I'd hate to see such an effort as yours go unrewarded, so congratulations on your thread and we will see you at the ceremony!

***Camera pans back to the main stage and centers on Kahoun***

Kahoun: What a guy. Without further ado, Mr. Strakeln – COME ON UP HERE!

***cue generic triumphant orchestral score***
***Strakeln walks up on stage, he is wearing a striking hat with many beautiful feathers stuck in it's band***
***A gorgeous woman in a dinner dress is seen crossing the stage with a plaque and a small ornate case which see hands to Kahoun***
***Music fades***


Kahoun: (Reading aloud from the plaque)
“Strakeln is presented with this award for outstanding achievement in community service by providing the Khyber forum community with a completely subjective player voted list to potentially discern 40 Solid Melee players via 3 popularity votes based on their admirers own internal standards and understanding of what that is, thereby eliminating any actual unified categorization of melee/character/player 'solidity' and leaving us the skeleton of a popularity contest that depending on Strakelns own choice of admission at the time is: (1) in no way superior to any preceding TOP-20 list: (2) potentially better or worse: (3) Much better than all of them: while being on par in it's usefulness to any of them, without it even being his goal as he didn't have an agenda.
Thursday 27th of November 2008.”

***Kahoun hands the plaque to Straken and turns to open the small ornate case. Out of the case he take a tattered black feather and tucks it into Strakens hat in front of its other stunning feathers, then shakes Strakelns hand.***

Kahoun: (Whispering off microphone into Strakeln's ear) I know it's not a particularly attractive feather, but perhaps after the show you can hide it behind some of the other ones you have there – maybe no one will even notice it is there, you night even forget yourself after a while.
(back on microphone)

Congratulations Mr Strakeln, This is your thread!

***Cue same generic triumphant orchestral score***
***Strakeln exits stage left***
***Kahoun waves to the camera***

[Boldrin]

***Cue Clip of Srakeln monologue***


***award music swells***
***Several spotlights circle the stage and slowly converge on an impressive backdrop statue of a man at a computer screen playing DDO with only one hand while holding an Axe in the other. Clearly no expense was spared in the preparation of this setting. A figure is seen on stage, and the camera's pull in for a tight shot of the Compere; It is Kahoun the controversial forum troll, looking rather spiffy***
***cue applause***

Kahoun: Thank you, and Thank you for all being here on this momentous occasion. Well this thread has been a roller coaster ride! Our man Strakeln is not one to toot his own horn, and so I am stepping in as a conscientious community member to give this list the credit it so completely deserves. Pull up a chair and enjoy your meal as we review some of my favorite moments from the highlight reel:

***lights fade***
***cue clip***




***spotlight back on Kahoun***
Kahoun: (forced laughter) Hahahaa, Straken seems a little confused. Good times, good times.
We all know that he is too modest to commit to any one value judgment of his own work, but he did get there in the end, didn't he! What a sense of humour.
Now some of you know that I am not particularly moved by people who value popularity as a gauge for greatness, but there are those in the community who thrive on it. Whereas someone could make a popularity contest, and someone else can make a list that measures player skill by an objective criteria, our man Straken has taken bits from both and stuck them into one!
Luckily I had a chance to interview Mr. Strakeln about his fascinating format.
***Kahoun turns to the big screen***
***Cue interview clip***

Kahoun: Mr. Strakeln, hello and welcome to “This is your thread”. Your friends will attest to your involvement with the community, your character and your good intentions for Khyber. Most recently you have decided to instate this new format for “40 solid melee-oriented players”. Tell me, how does it work?
Strake: Okay, so we keep trying to do top 20 lists and all that, which don't usually work out too well. (So I thought we should) try something new. (I made the following) Rules,
1-"Melee" is open-ended. From the intimitank to the tempest to the survivalist to the specialist to the generalist... they all count in their own way.
2-To make the list, a player/character must be nominated by one person and confirmed by two others
3-Any poster may nominate and/or confirm any number of player/characters
4-Nominated player/characters must be currently active (playing DDO)
5-A player may not nominate or confirm him/herself
6-Feel free to include a story or something about the player/character
7-Confirmed nominations will be listed in alphabetical order

Kahoun: I see. Some people would say that your criteria is rather subjective, do you think this is a problem?
Strake: For the record, the word "objective" is never mentioned in my post. However, the word "subjective" is mentioned once, and it even has the modifier "completely".

Why did you think the Khyber forums needed such a list?
People like to give credit/shout-outs/whatever to those they think play well. Most top 20 lists devolve into flamewars. I thought maybe this format would allow one without the other.
Actually, I said shout-outs/credits/whatever, by which I was implying that I really wasn't able to come up with a truly appropriate description... Maybe something like "community-reviewed credit".

That's nice, it is good to encourage the community to credit their peers. You made this list so that completely subjectively community reviewed credit could be used to encourage the well-built melee oriented players of Khyber.
You say well-built, that's not really a qualification I put forth. Whatever makes that player/character stellar to you, that's what qualifies them... good build, good playskills, whatever.

Ahh yes I was wondering about that actually, your rules do not account for any sort of player skill at all. The only thing I see that hints on it is in the title of your list, which claims it is for “Solid” melee oriented characters. “Solid” is a rather ambiguous descriptor, do you think that 3 nominations from people who all have a different criteria for what makes for a “Solid Melee” character is a valid way of discerning who should be on your list? I mean, given your other list rules it seems more like a popularity competition.
There's a hole in your argument, and that is that this thread has not worked out as a complete popularity contest. Since you likely play on the other side of the clock, you probably aren't very familiar with a lot of the posters here. Being more familiar with them, I know that many of the nominations and confirmations came from people without a lot of love for each other... hence my comment about Goolan. You may think this is a popularity contest - and I don't deny that that is inherently part of it - but from what I see, it's much less of one than you can tell.
It is politically-correct, completely subjective, democratically-designed, and alphabetically-ordered.

But in a democracy candidates get to campaign to win sway over a hierarchy of power, not to make a shortlist of alphabetically ordered people who might be “solid”. There are also a few parties with different criteria which hopefully define their views, some of which are in opposition to each other, and a balance of power depends on debate as well as popularity – and even then, some of those voted in fall well short of the skills they need to do a good job. Your list was designed by one person and does not include many of hallmarks of democracy. Why did you think this was a good idea?
I made this list because I'm an active participant in the community... just like every other thread I've made. I made a list "all of my own", in a format I thought might reduce the bickering... it's just that simple.

But it doesn't do what you actually claim it to do...
Laith: I'll just cut in if I may

Kahoun: Sure by all means, it is a forum after all.
Laith This list makes the subjectivity of the thread very obvious in the first post: you gain a place after accumulating 3 subjective opinions. Whether or not you decide to apply this subjective advice to your gaming experience is completely your choice.

Kahoun yes I know it does, but Strakeln seems to think it does something more and evidently so do some of the people adding nominations. I know I'm not alone in thinking this, I've seen other people making a point of the lack of criteria.
Strakeln: it is very clearly my character that has been under criticism here. Perhaps you should re-look at your posts if you think that is not the case.
I seriously suggest that you try to become an active participant in the community instead of the "guy who comes and ***** all over the forums". Click on your name and look at your last 50+ posts. What the hell are you doing here besides imposing your vile attitude on others and being a general pain in the ass? Are you actually interested in the game, or are you just here to start **** on the forums?

Boldrin: YEAH! Strake is a good guy and an asset to the Khyber community... who are you?

Kahoun: How can I question your character, my knowledge of you is limited to this thread. From all accounts you are a good guy with sincere motives, but that doesn't make you not responsible for this farce of a list. I want to know if you recognize it's inconsistencies and I'm curious to see what you will do about them.
Strakeln: Really, Kahoun, sit back, take a deep breath, and try to look at the bigger picture. Apply some context. And stop looking at everything through your jaded glasses. Try re-reading this thread without your pre-determined conclusions, read it with an open mind.

Kahoun; I have an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out onto the floor. If you will not recognize and own the problems with the list you have made then perhaps your intentions are not so noble? The point I would dearly love to drive home is that no matter what format a player popularity list takes, it is by its own very nature: exclusionary, elitist, and...
Invalid via its subjectivity.
What you fail to realize is that your opinion of this list: exclusionary, elitist, and invalid - are all your own subjective opinions. Sorry, buddy, but even your ego isn't enough to declare any of that as fact. Here, I'll rephrase your last paragraph for you:
"The point I would dearly love to drive home is that no matter what format an admittedly subjective list takes, my opinion will still label it as exclusionary, elitist, and invalid via its subjectivity".
Lots of people do things every day without malicious, selfish, or otherwise undesirable intent. Not sure why it's so hard for you to understand this. I didn't have an agenda when starting this thread, I had an idea and decided to give it a whirl, as active community members of our server tend to do.

I thought your agenda was to, oh here we are again at square one. Well, I'd hate to see such an effort as yours go unrewarded, so congratulations on your thread and we will see you at the ceremony!

***Camera pans back to the main stage and centers on Kahoun***

Kahoun: What a guy. Without further ado, Mr. Strakeln – COME ON UP HERE!

***cue generic triumphant orchestral score***
***Strakeln walks up on stage, he is wearing a striking hat with many beautiful feathers stuck in it's band***
***A gorgeous woman in a dinner dress is seen crossing the stage with a plaque and a small ornate case which see hands to Kahoun***
***Music fades***


Kahoun: (Reading aloud from the plaque)
“Strakeln is presented with this award for outstanding achievement in community service by providing the Khyber forum community with a completely subjective player voted list to potentially discern 40 Solid Melee players via 3 popularity votes based on their admirers own internal standards and understanding of what that is, thereby eliminating any actual unified categorization of melee/character/player 'solidity' and leaving us the skeleton of a popularity contest that depending on Strakelns own choice of admission at the time is: (1) in no way superior to any preceding TOP-20 list: (2) potentially better or worse: (3) Much better than all of them: while being on par in it's usefulness to any of them, without it even being his goal as he didn't have an agenda.
Thursday 27th of November 2008.”

***Kahoun hands the plaque to Straken and turns to open the small ornate case. Out of the case he take a tattered black feather and tucks it into Strakens hat in front of its other stunning feathers, then shakes Strakelns hand.***

Kahoun: (Whispering off microphone into Strakeln's ear) I know it's not a particularly attractive feather, but perhaps after the show you can hide it behind some of the other ones you have there – maybe no one will even notice it is there, you night even forget yourself after a while.
(back on microphone)

Congratulations Mr Strakeln, This is your thread!

***Cue same generic triumphant orchestral score***
***Strakeln exits stage left***
***Kahoun waves to the camera***

Lol I will have to read this after Thanksgiving. Who has time on turkey day for stuff like this?

[Gornn]

***Cue Clip of Srakeln monologue***


***award music swells***
***Several spotlights circle the stage and slowly converge on an impressive backdrop statue of a man at a computer screen playing DDO with only one hand while holding an Axe in the other. Clearly no expense was spared in the preparation of this setting. A figure is seen on stage, and the camera's pull in for a tight shot of the Compere; It is Kahoun the controversial forum troll, looking rather spiffy***
***cue applause***

Kahoun: Thank you, and Thank you for all being here on this momentous occasion. Well this thread has been a roller coaster ride! Our man Strakeln is not one to toot his own horn, and so I am stepping in as a conscientious community member to give this list the credit it so completely deserves. Pull up a chair and enjoy your meal as we review some of my favorite moments from the highlight reel:

***lights fade***
***cue clip***




***spotlight back on Kahoun***
Kahoun: (forced laughter) Hahahaa, Straken seems a little confused. Good times, good times.
We all know that he is too modest to commit to any one value judgment of his own work, but he did get there in the end, didn't he! What a sense of humour.
Now some of you know that I am not particularly moved by people who value popularity as a gauge for greatness, but there are those in the community who thrive on it. Whereas someone could make a popularity contest, and someone else can make a list that measures player skill by an objective criteria, our man Straken has taken bits from both and stuck them into one!
Luckily I had a chance to interview Mr. Strakeln about his fascinating format.
***Kahoun turns to the big screen***
***Cue interview clip***

Kahoun: Mr. Strakeln, hello and welcome to “This is your thread”. Your friends will attest to your involvement with the community, your character and your good intentions for Khyber. Most recently you have decided to instate this new format for “40 solid melee-oriented players”. Tell me, how does it work?
Strake: Okay, so we keep trying to do top 20 lists and all that, which don't usually work out too well. (So I thought we should) try something new. (I made the following) Rules,
1-"Melee" is open-ended. From the intimitank to the tempest to the survivalist to the specialist to the generalist... they all count in their own way.
2-To make the list, a player/character must be nominated by one person and confirmed by two others
3-Any poster may nominate and/or confirm any number of player/characters
4-Nominated player/characters must be currently active (playing DDO)
5-A player may not nominate or confirm him/herself
6-Feel free to include a story or something about the player/character
7-Confirmed nominations will be listed in alphabetical order

Kahoun: I see. Some people would say that your criteria is rather subjective, do you think this is a problem?
Strake: For the record, the word "objective" is never mentioned in my post. However, the word "subjective" is mentioned once, and it even has the modifier "completely".

Why did you think the Khyber forums needed such a list?
People like to give credit/shout-outs/whatever to those they think play well. Most top 20 lists devolve into flamewars. I thought maybe this format would allow one without the other.
Actually, I said shout-outs/credits/whatever, by which I was implying that I really wasn't able to come up with a truly appropriate description... Maybe something like "community-reviewed credit".

That's nice, it is good to encourage the community to credit their peers. You made this list so that completely subjectively community reviewed credit could be used to encourage the well-built melee oriented players of Khyber.
You say well-built, that's not really a qualification I put forth. Whatever makes that player/character stellar to you, that's what qualifies them... good build, good playskills, whatever.

Ahh yes I was wondering about that actually, your rules do not account for any sort of player skill at all. The only thing I see that hints on it is in the title of your list, which claims it is for “Solid” melee oriented characters. “Solid” is a rather ambiguous descriptor, do you think that 3 nominations from people who all have a different criteria for what makes for a “Solid Melee” character is a valid way of discerning who should be on your list? I mean, given your other list rules it seems more like a popularity competition.
There's a hole in your argument, and that is that this thread has not worked out as a complete popularity contest. Since you likely play on the other side of the clock, you probably aren't very familiar with a lot of the posters here. Being more familiar with them, I know that many of the nominations and confirmations came from people without a lot of love for each other... hence my comment about Goolan. You may think this is a popularity contest - and I don't deny that that is inherently part of it - but from what I see, it's much less of one than you can tell.
It is politically-correct, completely subjective, democratically-designed, and alphabetically-ordered.

But in a democracy candidates get to campaign to win sway over a hierarchy of power, not to make a shortlist of alphabetically ordered people who might be “solid”. There are also a few parties with different criteria which hopefully define their views, some of which are in opposition to each other, and a balance of power depends on debate as well as popularity – and even then, some of those voted in fall well short of the skills they need to do a good job. Your list was designed by one person and does not include many of hallmarks of democracy. Why did you think this was a good idea?
I made this list because I'm an active participant in the community... just like every other thread I've made. I made a list "all of my own", in a format I thought might reduce the bickering... it's just that simple.

But it doesn't do what you actually claim it to do...
Laith: I'll just cut in if I may

Kahoun: Sure by all means, it is a forum after all.
Laith This list makes the subjectivity of the thread very obvious in the first post: you gain a place after accumulating 3 subjective opinions. Whether or not you decide to apply this subjective advice to your gaming experience is completely your choice.

Kahoun yes I know it does, but Strakeln seems to think it does something more and evidently so do some of the people adding nominations. I know I'm not alone in thinking this, I've seen other people making a point of the lack of criteria.
Strakeln: it is very clearly my character that has been under criticism here. Perhaps you should re-look at your posts if you think that is not the case.
I seriously suggest that you try to become an active participant in the community instead of the "guy who comes and ***** all over the forums". Click on your name and look at your last 50+ posts. What the hell are you doing here besides imposing your vile attitude on others and being a general pain in the ass? Are you actually interested in the game, or are you just here to start **** on the forums?

Boldrin: YEAH! Strake is a good guy and an asset to the Khyber community... who are you?

Kahoun: How can I question your character, my knowledge of you is limited to this thread. From all accounts you are a good guy with sincere motives, but that doesn't make you not responsible for this farce of a list. I want to know if you recognize it's inconsistencies and I'm curious to see what you will do about them.
Strakeln: Really, Kahoun, sit back, take a deep breath, and try to look at the bigger picture. Apply some context. And stop looking at everything through your jaded glasses. Try re-reading this thread without your pre-determined conclusions, read it with an open mind.

Kahoun; I have an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out onto the floor. If you will not recognize and own the problems with the list you have made then perhaps your intentions are not so noble? The point I would dearly love to drive home is that no matter what format a player popularity list takes, it is by its own very nature: exclusionary, elitist, and...
Invalid via its subjectivity.
What you fail to realize is that your opinion of this list: exclusionary, elitist, and invalid - are all your own subjective opinions. Sorry, buddy, but even your ego isn't enough to declare any of that as fact. Here, I'll rephrase your last paragraph for you:
"The point I would dearly love to drive home is that no matter what format an admittedly subjective list takes, my opinion will still label it as exclusionary, elitist, and invalid via its subjectivity".
Lots of people do things every day without malicious, selfish, or otherwise undesirable intent. Not sure why it's so hard for you to understand this. I didn't have an agenda when starting this thread, I had an idea and decided to give it a whirl, as active community members of our server tend to do.

I thought your agenda was to, oh here we are again at square one. Well, I'd hate to see such an effort as yours go unrewarded, so congratulations on your thread and we will see you at the ceremony!

***Camera pans back to the main stage and centers on Kahoun***

Kahoun: What a guy. Without further ado, Mr. Strakeln – COME ON UP HERE!

***cue generic triumphant orchestral score***
***Strakeln walks up on stage, he is wearing a striking hat with many beautiful feathers stuck in it's band***
***A gorgeous woman in a dinner dress is seen crossing the stage with a plaque and a small ornate case which see hands to Kahoun***
***Music fades***


Kahoun: (Reading aloud from the plaque)
“Strakeln is presented with this award for outstanding achievement in community service by providing the Khyber forum community with a completely subjective player voted list to potentially discern 40 Solid Melee players via 3 popularity votes based on their admirers own internal standards and understanding of what that is, thereby eliminating any actual unified categorization of melee/character/player 'solidity' and leaving us the skeleton of a popularity contest that depending on Strakelns own choice of admission at the time is: (1) in no way superior to any preceding TOP-20 list: (2) potentially better or worse: (3) Much better than all of them: while being on par in it's usefulness to any of them, without it even being his goal as he didn't have an agenda.
Thursday 27th of November 2008.”

***Kahoun hands the plaque to Straken and turns to open the small ornate case. Out of the case he take a tattered black feather and tucks it into Strakens hat in front of its other stunning feathers, then shakes Strakelns hand.***

Kahoun: (Whispering off microphone into Strakeln's ear) I know it's not a particularly attractive feather, but perhaps after the show you can hide it behind some of the other ones you have there – maybe no one will even notice it is there, you night even forget yourself after a while.
(back on microphone)

Congratulations Mr Strakeln, This is your thread!

***Cue same generic triumphant orchestral score***
***Strakeln exits stage left***
***Kahoun waves to the camera***

*blink* *lmao* Wow.

What else can you say? Wow.

[Arkat]

Seriously Kahoun, don't you have better things to do?

You may or may not have a point but you've wasted too much time on it. Please don't let your ego get in the way of spending your time wisely.

I'm not trying to slam you man, just making an observation.