WF sorc worth playing?

[Taishi]

Hello. I am playing drow wizard and sorcerer. Both of them are 16 level. I seldom join raid, but these days I often join shroud. I feel lack of healing skill is pain, so I am thinking of making WF wiz or sorc for survivavility(poison, disease, neg level immunity is good, too). WF wiz can start at 18 int, but sorc starts at 16 cha(28pt). My wiz almost always use quicken feat, so easily runs ouf of sp, but can do many things. Sorc have more sp, shorter casting and recasting time, but because of limited spell selectons and feats, sometimes I feel stressful. I see many WF sorc these days, but I havent decided which I should make. Compared to drow, 18 vs 20 int, 16 vs 20 cha, is big difference? I need advice, thank you.

[Hobgoblin]

yes yes yes and yes the immunities and hp make up for it

[Inspire]

Its worth it.

[Dktr]

If you max out your umd, you can self heal with a drow sorcerer and not take the hit to charisma. My sorcerer has always been able to use cure wands at the lower levels. At level 16 he can use a heal scroll on a 1. He can also use raise dead scrolls.

Scrolling and wand whipping save you precious spell slots that repair spells would otherwise take up. The higher charisma will make your fingers of death, pk's, and dismissals harder to save against.

A drow sorcerer starts with a 20 charisma; Warforged start with a 16 cha. Those 4 points make a huge difference when mobs are saving against your spells. A higher charisma gives a bonus to your use magic device skill.

Warforged make better wizards, but drow make better sorcerers. 8)

[Spisey]

Unless your running elite runs only at high levels often, the only thing saving occasionally are clerics but an enervatioon / bestow curse solves that. Or just fts the mana casters. WF sorcs are the bomb.... After all, it was a wf sorc that solo'd vod

[Stealthbr]

Unless your running elite runs only at high levels often, the only thing saving occasionally are clerics but an enervatioon / bestow curse solves that. Or just fts the mana casters. WF sorcs are the bomb.... After all, it was a wf sorc that solo'd vod

Wizard actually.

[Giacomo]

The Age Old Question...WF Sorcerer?

Played within its own limitations is fun and a plus to any party.

Using spell penetration selections I believe can make up for limited CHA.

I have both WF Wiz/Sorc, and use them accordingly.

Next Question...WF Bard?

[Forceonature]

Next Question...WF Bard?

Oh yes. As a Warchanter, a WF Bard is very fun.

[xanvar]

I love playing my WF sorc. Get hit hard and come close to dieing throw a reconstruct out and bam right back up. Having a good con and all the resistances really make you more survivable. If your looking just at a min/max perspective Drow charisma will give you more sp and a higher DC for your spells. The question comes down to is the 2 DC and a few more SP really that big of a deal? In my experiance it isn't but others may be able to answer it better with all the math and stuff. Just being able to quickly and easily heal myself during the course of the adventure makes it more fun to me, and less of a pain for the cleric that may be in the group. The only way you will know if a WF sorc is right for you is to play one. I know up until level 13 its a blast, not sure about level cap and end of game raids on elite.

[Arianrhod]

One thing to keep in mind on the drow vs WF question is that while WF get a penalty to CHA, they also get a bonus to CON - makes Quicken less necessary (given sorc casting speed), and improves survivability overall.

[MrCow]

I've been long advocating the Warforged Sorcerer as a solo and group build for the longest of times (I've been playing one since before Warforged were cool ). They are among the most self-sufficient combinations that you can make in DDO and, being arcanes are arcanes, highly potent for a huge amount of the content. Besides, in the event that you find yourself in a situation where you are having issues contributing, you can at least nearly guarantee your own survival at that moment so you aren't a drain to others.

Don't let the minor CHA penalty hold you back from at least trying a Warforged Sorcerer if you find the idea interesting.

[Memnir]

I'll just put it this way - my WF Sorc put my level-capped Drow Wizard into retirement. They are very worth playing.

[Uska]

Simple answer very much so

[rejectedone]

Whenever there is some tradeoff there will be people coming in on both sides saying what one side's advantage is all-important and the other side is negligible anyway.

The fact is having a +2 on the DC on most of your spells from lvl 1 through 16 is a pretty big deal.
The same goes for the ability to heal yourself.

Personally I think soloing as a non-WF is just work, whereas it's a breeze for the WF. Also 75% of socr's tend to be drow, so a WF is a little less cookie-cutter looking. On the other hand, WF miss out on all the nice robes you get, and many (most?) docents look pretty lame.

[Noctus]

On the other hand, WF miss out on all the nice robes you get, and many (most?) docents look pretty lame.

Or plainly stupid.
Some docents make your mean killing machine look like it was clothed in by a bunch of drunken drag queens on acid.
(We need some mintgreen boots and more pink feathers to really let the "GrrrrGGRGGRRR" of your fearsome docent get out.......)


There should be a " /showdocent off " command, like there already is for helmets.

[Varr]

Ive gotten two wf sorcs to cap, and have another battle sorc at 15 that is wf. Very fun very nice builds. However, with level 20 coming and the sp pools of wizards closing the gap between either flexabilty or mana pools.........allowing for a wizard to have both now...........I would personally put the time and resources into build the wf as a wizard instead of a sorc. The sorc advantages have narrowed in my opinion with the bigger mana pools wizards can gain, and the wizard advantages have probably become more difinitiive............more usefull caster feats, as always the better spell selection for more dynamic use. It is a choice between two very good builds mind you, but personaly I think that the wizard builds are soon to be the 'better' of the two.

You even have enough feats to 'waste' one on mith body and clean up that docent problem.

[Starlytes]

I have lvl 12 atm Wiz WF and I realy enjoy playing it ... as for mobs resisting your spells .. change play style u dont have to be the kill count leader in grps ... just turn on heighten and web everything let the melees have thier fun ... when solo'n just charm every thing with mass charm charm monster dominate ... they all have differnt timers as to when they wear off .. so the mobs naturally thin themselves out ... but the flexability of wizard over sorc is a big differnce IMO .. but thats just my 2cp

Wizbott
Knights who say Ni

[Forceonature]

Or plainly stupid.
Some docents make your mean killing machine look like it was clothed in by a bunch of drunken drag queens on acid.
(We need some mintgreen boots and more pink feathers to really let the "GrrrrGGRGGRRR" of your fearsome docent get out.......)

There should be a " /showdocent off " command, like there already is for helmets.

If there is a dev reading this, please add this to your list.

/signed

[Xalted_Vol]

I was a preorder and my first character ever was a wf sorc and people didnt want me. HA how have times changed So yeah I am saying I was the first after beta to make one

[tinyelvis]

A well made drow sorc solo's better than any other race.

The extra hit points for WF are not gonna save you from real trouble. If you really have trouble keeping your caster alive, you're better off sticking with Drow and taking 2 levels of Monk or Rogue. You will still be a pretty effective caster. Any other WF trait can be easily covered with clickies plus better UMD means better ability to restore ability damage and use race specific items earlier.

People are deluding themselves and you when they tell you they perform as well as a drow with a WF. The performance is noticeably poorer.

However, if you really like the WF have fun playing him no matter the performance. You don't need to play the best performing class to have fun. Heck, I see people playing wizards all the time.