Dear Tolero

[Auran82]

Holy feat requirements Batman!

They better be awesome enhancements for that cost.

(correct my if I'm wrong, but each tier of weapon specialization requries the same level of weapon focus right?)

If that is correct and I am counting right, the top tier requires 5 feats and 34ap, and only works with one specific weapon type.

[Desteria]

I hope the benefits are really nice considering wasting so many action points on fighter attack boost.

AND crit accuracy!!!! basicaly level 1 is goign to cost 10 AP's!!!!! it;s goan heva to be purty darn good...

Note the crit accurace AP's coudl be made worht while if they workeed like seeker, but sicne most peopel have seeker 6 ish and cant basicaly miss to start with, fighter crit accurracys is a joke.

[Desteria]

Holy feat requirements Batman!

They better be awesome enhancements for that cost.

(correct my if I'm wrong, but each tier of weapon specialization requries the same level of weapon focus right?)

If that is correct and I am counting right, the top tier requires 5 feats and 34ap, and only works with one specific weapon type.

realyl the AP's are the cost what pure fighter or mostly pure fighter Doen;t have all thoughs feats already?
Not liek a fighter is hurtign for feats in ddo.

[Junts]

only takes 3 aps, and if you're casting its not a waste.


only 3 aps instead of 10 required for fighter attack boost 4


extra turns give you more divine might. imp turning is basically a waste, but still not 10 aps worth. and to have all your attacks carry vorpal capability against undead is pretty stellar.

yes, but you don't know what kensai do yet to even begin to make a cost/benefit analysis


however, if hunter of the dead is any indication, tier 3 prestige enhancements have some cool ass modifiers.

[Desteria]

yes, but you don't know what kensai do yet to even begin to make a cost/benefit analysis


however, if hunter of the dead is any indication, tier 3 prestige enhancements have some cool ass modifiers.

aye I agree we can't cost/benifit analize yet BUT we can look at the requierments and say IT better be smoking good because just level 1 costs 10(6pre and4) ap's most peopel would never get + I'm assuming the secondary masterys ones are a big part of it, they are cheap but it brings the whole first tier package to 11 ap's.

[Junts]

note kensai is set up interestingly where tiers 2 and 3 are cheaper than tier 1; this suggests that splashes into kensai for just tier 1 (or 2) are probably not gonna be encouraged, as would be suitable given the original prestige class it's based on.

this prestige class is actually less ap and more feat intensive than most, in sheer ap cost for its qualifiers and to buy it itself.

[sephiroth1084]

Hey Eladrin, any chance we can get the prereqs. for the rest of the new PrEs?

[Auran82]

note kensai is set up interestingly where tiers 2 and 3 are cheaper than tier 1; this suggests that splashes into kensai for just tier 1 (or 2) are probably not gonna be encouraged, as would be suitable given the original prestige class it's based on.

this prestige class is actually less ap and more feat intensive than most, in sheer ap cost for its qualifiers and to buy it itself.

The same setup is used for the second tier rogue enhancements as well as the arcane archer ones I believe.

Fighters aren't exactly starved of feats, but it still takes alot of versatility away if you want to get past tier 1.

[Boneyard]

Well, if it was added, it's not in any release notes and no one had reported its existence ...and it's a crapsastic feat.

EDIT: Ninja!

Just logged into my fighter to check. Its available to me at my local Fred so its definitely in game whether or not it was announced.

[Borror0]

Just logged into my fighter to check. Its available to me at my local Fred so its definitely in game whether or not it was announced.

Errr... Eladrin? Word about this one?!

[Boneyard]

for the non believers...

[honkuimushi]

I'm just surprised there there are actually level 16 Fighters in game who can check this out.

[Justicesar]

Wow...thats a ton of feats. I see the price of Siber Shards going thru the roof. A complete feat option would be nice for a very high favor reward as an option. I currently have a ton of feats set for toughness and have never swaped them out for another feat...how has that worked for others?? Does it let you swap the one you got at level 1??? Or do you have to peal them away from last to first?? Reroll/Add a toon may be the only option. I might have to just save the fat tank for a more friendly prestige class....Defender snap shots pls pls pls........

[Steiner-Davion]

I knew Eladrin and Tolero were one and the same!!!

Having seen them both in the same room at the same exact instant in time, I can assure you that they are in fact two very distinct people.

[Silverjade]

Wow...thats a ton of feats. I see the price of Siber Shards going thru the roof. A complete feat option would be nice for a very high favor reward as an option. I currently have a ton of feats set for toughness and have never swaped them out for another feat...how has that worked for others?? Does it let you swap the one you got at level 1??? Or do you have to peal them away from last to first?? Reroll/Add a toon may be the only option. I might have to just save the fat tank for a more friendly prestige class....Defender snap shots pls pls pls........

Um if your a good ftr you most likely all ready have these feats........+4damage +2or4 attack.... and with all the feats ftrs get why would not take these?.
15feats pure non human ftr and 16 for a human.

[Justicesar]

Um if your a good ftr you most likely all ready have these feats........+4damage +2or4 attack.... and with all the feats ftrs get why would not take these?.
15feats pure non human ftr and 16 for a human.

Well back when AC made a difference the extra attack and damage was nice....but then HP kinda won out for a bit. The +2 to hit was not very useful and with the better weapons out there +4 damage was not needed as much either at the time.

[Cold_Stele]

Um if your a good ftr you most likely all ready have these feats........+4damage +2or4 attack.... and with all the feats ftrs get why would not take these?.
15feats pure non human ftr and 16 for a human.

Agreed - those feats should come a standard, they're probably the main sources of a Ftr's DPS (such as it is).

The 20AP that need to be spent on Ftr's Attack Boost and Critical Accuracy are a little steep as neither enhancement is particularly needed in the current game (Ftr's don't have the extra -to hit from PA enhancements to cause them to miss and Bloodstone does everything FAC will ever do and so much more).

It all depends on cost/reward ratio I guess.

I'd love to know what benefit Kensai will give.

/begs Eladrin...

[Silverjade]

Well back when AC made a difference the extra attack and damage was nice....but then HP kinda won out for a bit. The +2 to hit was not very useful and with the better weapons out there +4 damage was not needed as much either at the time.

My join date does not mean that am new in fact iv been here since about 2weeks after start so i do know about the ac being king.As for the hps only need about 400 300 if you are a evasion type witch is easy to get my elf ftr has 414 and shes not maxed out yet.

[Silverjade]

Agreed - those feats should come a standard, they're probably the main sources of a Ftr's DPS (such as it is).

The 20AP that need to be spent on Ftr's Attack Boost and Critical Accuracy are a little steep as neither enhancement is particularly needed in the current game (Ftr's don't have the extra -to hit from PA enhancements to cause them to miss and Bloodstone does everything FAC will ever do and so much more).

It all depends on cost/reward ratio I guess.

I'd love to know what benefit Kensai will give.

/begs Eladrin...

Yes i agree it would be nice to know.

I have all the crit accuracy's as none of the other enhancements are that use full to me myself.

[Eladrin]

Hey, you only asked for prereqs in the first post.

Kensai I's abilities are currently:

Fighter Kensai I
Benefit: You are the unrivaled master of your chosen weapon. Your focus and training grant you a +1 bonus to Bluff, Concentration, Diplomacy, and Intimidate skills, Combat Feat DC's, saves against magic, and number of Action Boosts per day. If you possess a Ki bar, you gain 1 additional Ki on criticals and when meditating. You can select a single weapon type as your signature weapon.

Kensai <specific weapon> Mastery I:
Benefit (One handed, ranged, or thrown weapons): You gain an additional +1 bonus to hit and damage, and +2 to confirm criticals and critical damage (before multipliers) when using a <weapon>.

Benefit (Two handed weapons): You gain an additional +1 bonus to hit, +2 to damage and to confirm criticals and +4 to critical damage (before multipliers), as well as improved glancing blows that have a chance of applying magical weapon effects when using a <weapon>.

These are specific to a single weapon type, such as "Kensai Longsword Mastery".

Standard Disclaimer: Still in testing, subject to change, no freaking out if it does!