Prey of the Hunter - negative feedback

[Riggs]

It is interesting to note, that after having fought the 2 white dragons at the end, where it took a fair bit of time, and gobs of fire damage and tanks beating on them - like 10 minutes at least (on hard usually) - that a couple giants can drop the dragon faster than a single haste spell can last.

Usually have been running the quest on hard because it seems people say on normal the dragon doesnt last long enough to even reach her most of the time. When getting to the random maze, even on hard, 1-2 wrong turns and the quest fails.

It is incredibly frustrating to be running in the maze, tab the dragon, and watch the health drop while your running into dead ends, then have her die just as you finally reach the floor and cant do a darned thing to stop it because its too late.

The dragon needs more health - or at least a lot more health when fighting the giants - since she seems to have plenty more health when the players decide to fight her. Having a quest fail because of player error is fine.

Having a quest fail because of a random maze, and once the timer starts you only have maybe a window for success of 20 seconds in a 30 minute quest is franky just mean.

Its kind of like saying "Ok spend 30 minutes running a quest - now flip a coin, heads you get to finish, tails you randomly just fail for no good reason - have a nice day".

I havent run this quest with pugs, only with good groups where most of the people have run it before and know what they are doing - and it has failed several times once people make a couple wrong turns in the maze.

Please change this. Quests should succeed or fail because of player ability, not random events that players have no control over.

[Noctus]

/signed

Couldnt have said it better.

[Vorn]

/shrug
Kind of reminded of when we all hated East Threnal 3 and that nerd Coyle--it was maddening that the noob kept making our quest fail--some adjustments in tactics and in the quest made it easier, though it's still challenging on untwinked lvl appropriate characters. Faithful Departed falls into that same maddening category.

To their credit, the Dev's have added more hp to her on normal and moved the shrine. Even making every wrong turn using the fireman's rule it's possible to reach her with about 30% of her HP remaining when hasted. Barbs/monks/sprint boost folks get there even faster. Have only run hard once since the update and normal about a dozen times. On hard she was at 40% when I arrived on scene.

Only bothered to fight the two dragons once (on normal, without cheesing it). Was some good graphics, but not really that interesting a fight. Now if they could fly and strafe and .... Did get a white scale and a giant relic from the chest there, though.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

/shrug
Kind of reminded of when we all hated East Threnal 3 and that nerd Coyle--it was maddening that the noob kept making our quest fail--some adjustments in tactics and in the quest made it easier, though it's still challenging on untwinked lvl appropriate characters. Faithful Departed falls into that same maddening category.

To their credit, the Dev's have added more hp to her on normal and moved the shrine. Even making every wrong turn using the fireman's rule it's possible to reach her with about 30% of her HP remaining when hasted. Barbs/monks/sprint boost folks get there even faster. Have only run hard once since the update and normal about a dozen times. On hard she was at 40% when I arrived on scene.

Only bothered to fight the two dragons once (on normal, without cheesing it). Was some good graphics, but not really that interesting a fight. Now if they could fly and strafe and .... Did get a white scale and a giant relic from the chest there, though.

TE3, and Faithful both have tactics that a group can employ though......unlike Prey.

[Samadhi]

Just wait until it starts bugging on you.

Floors that won't break - not fun

Walls that spring up and block the end chest - pretty much make you want to post a Doooom thread.

The QA on this quest is the worst I have seen in a while, possibly ever.

[Kintro]

No need to bump the hitpoints any further, when my groups fail it's not due to random luck it's because we don't coordinate which routes have been checked through the maze well enough or we don't take care of the giants quickly enough. Having said that one particular route through the maze is considerably longer than others which makes it more of a challenge.

The maze is only semi-random, three possible routes into the "middle" and three out, it shouldn't be any problem finding and relaying the route while a cleric/caster shrines (it was fine in it's original location). The cleric and caster don't need to be there for the start of the fight anyway, aslong as you can get someone out of the maze who can disrupt/move the fight before the red named giant spawns.

I think they need to drop the HP on the dragons at the end fight or put some named loot in the chests or it's just not worth the time.

[tihocan]

Have you run it on normal recently? It's easy enough now (just make sure the party splits in maze to quickly figure out the correct way).

[Shima-ra]

I disagree, that quest is fun not that hard.
Randomness should have been part of ddo from day1.

If you can't pass the labyrinth, your doing it the wrong way:
Have your team split up and tell which paths are good,
you don't have to look far to find which are deadends

[Chelsa]

Been running the quest allot since the last update and the balance and mechanics are proper for each level of difficulty.

I give it a big thumbs up.

[Talcyndl]

Have you run it on normal recently? It's easy enough now (just make sure the party splits in maze to quickly figure out the correct way).

Agreed. Haven't had any problem since the change.

Other than flaky the wall/floor not breaking in certain spots, seemingly randomly.

[FlimsyFirewood]

The maze part of the dungeon is easier on normal: the giants don't hit as hard.

Right now the 'hard' version of the dungeon is what 'normal' used to be before the patch. What I'm saying is that normal got nerfed pretty hard.

Team tactics can be used to negate the maze's randomness factor by splitting up.

Kiting the dragon is a viable tactic, however, we're investigating the reasons behind the dragon's disappearances, and they seem related to him being kited. Try to avoid kiting the dragon until we fix this unintended problem.

Flaky walls and reappearing magic barriers are also being looked into.

[Gunga]

Just wait until it starts bugging on you.

Floors that won't break - not fun

Walls that spring up and block the end chest - pretty much make you want to post a Doooom thread.

The QA on this quest is the worst I have seen in a while, possibly ever.

Ahh, the Doom spin. So manty cults had to find a new angle after we made it through 2001...

The walls not breaking is a bit of pain when the giant/wolves don't cooperate. Although they're easier to control than some pugs.

I'm confident that if you put your mind to it, you'll find a way to beat it regularly.

[query]

Ahh, the Doom spin. So manty cults had to find a new angle after we made it through 2001...

The walls not breaking is a bit of pain when the giant/wolves don't cooperate. Although they're easier to control than some pugs.

I'm confident that if you put your mind to it, you'll find a way to beat it regularly.

Forget the entire thread. That PUG line is all you need

[FlimsyFirewood]

The walls not breaking is a bit of pain when the giant/wolves don't cooperate. Although they're easier to control than some pugs.

You, sir, win the internets.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

You, sir, win the internets.

Why are you encouraging Gunga?

He most certainly does not need any...

[WeaselKing]

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[Talon_Moonshadow]

Why are you encouraging Gunga?

He most certainly does not need any...

Well, you have to give credit where credit is due....

That was pretty good.

[Mindspat]

I ran this on Normal in mostly a guild group the other night. We split up when getting to the maze and I (lvl 16 sorcerer) was the first one there. Everyone else got completely lost while looking at the map they sounded frustrated 'cs they weren't able to hear I found the correct path and thought I was more lost then they. By the time the second person made it to the dragon I had ALL the giants locked down and their dissapointment changed to glee.

Enervate a few times, flesh to stone. Rinse & Repeat. If the caster has semi compotent melee abilities they could even hit the giants with a wounder a couple times while casting Evervate followed by the Flesh to Stone. This would greatly help in preventing the Giants from making their Fortitude Saves.

We finished this run with the Dragon having more then 90% of its hit points.

I currently like how it's playing. It feels as if the recent adjustments made it a lot easier since I had failed on 5 prior attempts and the dragon was alsmost always less then 30% even if you were the first one there.

[Deathseeker]

Quest needed adjustment upon Mod8 launch. They made the adjustments and now I think it plays fine.

I personally am not a fan of timed quests or respawns (and this has both). However, I do like the random part. But there's a difference between personal taste and a quest being broken. I think the quest is properly balanced now, just isn't my personal choice of type of quest.

Then again, I LOVE the style of the Monastary quest (puzzles, traps, air, monks, etc), but find it to be way too easy for it's level. It could use a bump on the mob difficulty.

[BlackSteel]

Then again, I LOVE the style of the Monastary quest (puzzles, traps, air, monks, etc), but find it to be way too easy for it's level. It could use a bump on the mob difficulty.

shhhhhhhhhhh ^^ thats how my cleric makes his scroll money