Balanced Battle Cleric

[Verlock]

Hey everyone i was bored, so i made this let me know what ya think, the Enhancments was just done fast but. close too what i think would be best,

Level 16 Chaotic Good Dwarf Male
(2 Barbarian / 13 Cleric / 1 Wizard)
Hit Points: 287
Spell Points: 842

BAB: 11/11/16/21
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 7
Will: 16

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 16)
Strength 14 18
Dexterity 14 16
Constitution 14 20
Intelligence 8 10
Wisdom 14 22
Charisma 14 18

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 16
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 16
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 16
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 16
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 16

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 16)
Balance 2 7
Bluff 2 4
Concentration 6 24
Diplomacy 2 4
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 2 4
Heal 2 6
Hide 2 3
Intimidate 2 4
Jump 2 4
Listen 2 6
Move Silently 2 3
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 0
Search 0 2
Spot 2 6
Swim 2 4
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a 13

Notable Equipment
Helm: Helm of the Mroranon
Ring: Dextrous Ring
Ring: Ring of Greater False Life
Necklace: Torc of Prince Raiyum-de II
Trinket: Bloodstone
Cloak: Charismatic Cloak
Belt: Health Belt
Boots: Boots of the Innocent
Bracers: Ogre Power Bracers

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell

Level 2 (Barbarian)

Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 4 (Cleric)

Level 5 (Cleric)

Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell

Level 7 (Cleric)

Level 8 (Cleric)

Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Necromancy

Level 10 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell

Level 11 (Cleric)

Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 13 (Cleric)

Level 14 (Cleric)

Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 16 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
EEnhancement: Dwarven Toughness I
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness II
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness III
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness IV
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery II



Ending stats look like with GS and rage pot,

Str 28
Dex 22
Con 28
Int 10 (16 when needed for runes)
Wis 30
Cha 24

I was wanting high Cha for the new Damage Enhancements, It looked good to me. only thing i realy didn't like was only has TWF. would have liked to get GTWF. but due to lack of feats. I built it for just TWF,

But sence it's build with + 3 tomes atm. if you do get a + 3 dex tome. you can swap some feats around (Droping Maxamize) and get TWF and ITWF. then when 18 gets here get GTWF,

Any input welcome, looks like fun to me. but yall may have a make or break point

[Gol]

If you want to be a TWF type, you can do it with Fighter 2 instead of Barbarian 2. Also, I think you're losing more than you're getting with the wizard level.

As I've said elsewhere, Str-based TWFing cleric is nigh impossible due to the stat dependencies and feat demands.

Improved Crit is also something you probably won't keep, especially on slashing. Farm ingreds ahead of time on your 16s so that you can make a pair of mineral 2s asap. I've debated picking up Imp Crit: Pierce on my cleric, but I like having empower/quicken more.

I don't like the choice of spell focus, either. You're down 3 on your SR and 4 (+2) on your Wisdom. Maximized Blade Barriers and/or Cometfalls will do better IMO, especially since you can swap in a Reaver Napkin for the same effect.

Drop Imp Crit and Spell Focus for ITWF & GTWF. Tank charisma to a 6, you REALLY don't need it. Put the points in Str/Dex/Wis as you see fit.

[Silverjade]

Why not take two ftr levels and the rest clr? gets you two more feats.I think that the best way to level with two ftr would be to take one at 2cd then take the other at 9ith.
Ditch spell focus necromancy and take quicken then.

[MetaSyn]

agreed with Gol on all

[Verlock]

If you want to be a TWF type, you can do it with Fighter 2 instead of Barbarian 2. Also, I think you're losing more than you're getting with the wizard level.

As I've said elsewhere, Str-based TWFing cleric is nigh impossible due to the stat dependencies and feat demands.

Improved Crit is also something you probably won't keep, especially on slashing. Farm ingreds ahead of time on your 16s so that you can make a pair of mineral 2s asap. I've debated picking up Imp Crit: Pierce on my cleric, but I like having empower/quicken more.

I don't like the choice of spell focus, either. You're down 3 on your SR and 4 (+2) on your Wisdom. Maximized Blade Barriers and/or Cometfalls will do better IMO, especially since you can swap in a Reaver Napkin for the same effect.

Drop Imp Crit and Spell Focus for ITWF & GTWF. Tank charisma to a 6, you REALLY don't need it. Put the points in Str/Dex/Wis as you see fit.

Ya you are right on about every thing, but the cha i can get 6 more damage with that cha,

[Verlock]

ok i did what you said i think?, let me know what ya think.




Level 16 Chaotic Good Dwarf Male
(2 Fighter / 14 Cleric)
Hit Points: 305
Spell Points: 921

BAB: 12/12/17/22
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 7
Will: 16

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 16)
Strength 16 20
Dexterity 16 17
Constitution 16 20
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 14 24
Charisma 6 6

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 16
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 16
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 16

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 16)
Balance 3 7
Bluff -2 -2
Concentration 7 23
Diplomacy -2 -2
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -2 -2
Heal 2 7
Hide 3 3
Intimidate -2 -2
Jump 3 5
Listen 2 7
Move Silently 3 3
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 -1
Search -1 1
Spot 2 7
Swim 3 5
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell

Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration

Level 4 (Cleric)

Level 5 (Cleric)

Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell

Level 7 (Cleric)

Level 8 (Cleric)

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting

Level 10 (Cleric)

Level 11 (Cleric)

Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 13 (Cleric)

Level 14 (Cleric)

Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting

Level 16 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness I
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness II
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness III
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness IV
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
\cf3 Enhancement: Cleric Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery II


How much ac will i get in the new mod 8 armor like this. with the tower shield out of the hound?, under stand if ya don't wanna ad it up,

Would i be better to go monk?

[Gol]

That looks much better, though I personally still don't understand taking spell pen feats on a build like this. Extend and Mental Toughness are what I have on my Battle Cleric.

As for AC, you can do pretty good as a Dwarf in Mithral FP and/or the Dragontouched FP. 16 dex + 2 tome + 6 item = 24, so you could even go with a Mithral BP and almost max out the Dex in it. I'd personally go with Dragontouched FP, 3 AM enhs, and a +5 Mithral Tower. If you're in turtle mode, the hit to attack doesn't matter. Should be able to hit 58-60 unbuffed if you're willing to grind the raid gear (my BC hits 58 AC on that gear).

RE: Monk, I think that just spreads you too thin on the stats. A monk splashed TWF cleric is a completely different build IMO (usually a halfling) and is most commonly dex and defense based with stat damager / effect based weapons.

[Verlock]

on feats. the spell pen is nice sence i have a lvl 16 cleric atm. 34 wis no green steel, he don't have a problem with mobs saves on spells. he has problems with SR,

but ya maybe drop em. get ext and max,

MT is a waste just buy 5 full heal scrolls and fill that spot. and get a feat,

my only problem with my battle cleric is. i want TWF and hes THF,
I do know a guy who use to have a TWF cleric. he did 14 14 14 8 18 6. and just did the first lvl of TWF. on mine i did 16 8 16 8 18 6,
it's good crits 200ish. but i want TWF to get more DPS. but will just the first lvl of TWF get me more DPS?,

The other guys build. was what i wanted. but with khopeshs being the main differ

[Gol]

but will just the first lvl of TWF get me more DPS?

TWF by itself only lowers the penalty for fighting with two weapons (by -4 each hand). Imp TWF and Gtr TWF are the ones that actually give you extra attacks.

[Verlock]

TWF by itself only lowers the penalty for fighting with two weapons (by -4 each hand). Imp TWF and Gtr TWF are the ones that actually give you extra attacks.

While do i gain or lose DPS with just the first lvl?

[Gol]

While do i gain or lose DPS with just the first lvl?

You net +4 attack on 2 of your swings with it, so it's some amount of gain, though not much.

[Verlock]

You net +4 attack on 2 of your swings with it, so it's some amount of gain, though not much.

k thx good to know

[Fennario]

As I've said elsewhere, Str-based TWFing cleric is nigh impossible due to the stat dependencies and feat demands.

Bah... I have one and he does just fine.

Elf Cleric/Monk 14/2

str 16
dex 16
con 12
int 8
wis 16
cha 8

Level ups in either str or wis, or both depending on if you want to be heavier at melee or casting. Just need a +1 dex tome before you take ITWF.

Extend
Maximize
Quicken
MT
TWF
ITWF


Monk: Toughness and PA

Even with a 12 starting con, he is sitting at 370ish hps unbuffed. That's plenty for a self healing character with Evasion.

Can't wait for when they make longswords a monk weapon. Hopefully that will be my mod 9 feat at level 18.

So its far from impossible. Mine does a great job.

Sorry for the derail.


Edited: I just realized that I don't have GTWF... thought I did for some reason. You can't take that feat until 18 on a 14/2 cleric monk/

[Verlock]

Bah... I have one and he does just fine.

Elf Cleric/Monk 14/2

str 16
dex 16
con 12
int 8
wis 16
cha 8

Level ups in either str or wis, or both depending on if you want to be heavier at melee or casting. Just need a +1 dex tome before you take ITWF.

Extend
Maximize
Quicken
TWF
ITWF
GTWF

Monk: Toughness and PA

Even with a 12 starting con, he is sitting at 370ish hps unbuffed. That's plenty for a self healing character with Evasion.

Can't wait for when they make longswords a monk weapon. Hopefully that will be my mod 9 feat at level 18.

So its far from impossible. Mine does a great job.

Sorry for the derail.

I like it. looks like a strong build thx. is that hp with GS?

[Fennario]

I like it. looks like a strong build thx. is that hp with GS?

Yep:

148 base
80 con (+6 con item and ate a +2 tome)
45 Shroud
30 GFL
20 Racial Toughness II
18 Toughness
18 Minos
10 Gianthold favor
5 Tortoise (probably gonna dump this next time I respec enhancements)
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374

Like I said before, its plenty for me when you add to it self healing, evasion, and a solid AC.