thinking of building a paladin - need advice

[SteeleTrueheart]

I have done some extensive testing of this with a guildie and it has resulted in a Barbarian DR build with "guard armor" a shroud guard item and bramble casters for some really nasty DPS while taking 0 damage. Basically if you had a build with enough shield blocking DR and spell immunity you could theoretically shield block and wait for the mobs to kill themselves.

Thanks for the info! Handy to know.

[Desteria]

Screw the +5 prot on your DT armor, YOU need a heavy fort item and you can combo that with your +5 prot with min2 and 45 HP from shroud and fit it in lost of body slots to acount for other items...

That and a Neg pos pos SP item, +5 cha skills, 300 SP good for ZEAL's ETC.

are the 2 main shroud items you will probably wan't they are both good slot combining items wich for a pally is important....

I don't rember of the top of my head what tier of DT the +5 prot was but if it was tempest tier then BINGO that cna realyl help you by letting you stuff a +6 stat there of nothing else apeals to you.


A dwarf will net you the BEST AC from a mostly pall due to DAM, a human can get close with the daggertooth belt btu that an expesive slot, and costs you 3 more con you prolyl cant aford a slto fro another con item, on top of the 2-4 less con you have over a dwarf already, dwarf loses 2 Cha though and it;s bASE cha wich will hurt the Divine might wich is a nice Damage bost at the higher levels, you already going to be loseign some damage potetal as a AC build you will want to max your Aura's AC and doign that and getting ALL the damage bosts is imposibal, ESPECALY if your tryign to fit soem dwarf AP's in as well.

NOW another option for good AC and good other stats is a drow EVERY + stat then get is GOOD for an AC pally soo they will easly come out as a 34+pt build efectivly
Yuor stuck with the daggertooth again to try and max ac, but the free +2 int maked CE easyer the +2 cha makes getting the base cha for divine might very EASY, now the dex issue heres where you get your extra slot for that con item VERY needed on the elf AND the daggertooth belt... spend 2 points on dex, a +2 tome +2 racal and +2 racial AP's = NO dex item 16 dex dirt cheap, maxing out DT armor with the belt !!!!!
You could do
STR 16 cost 10 (efective 10)
DEX 12 cost 2 (efective 4)
CON 12 cost 6 (efective 4)
INT 12 cost 2 (efective 4)
WIS 8 cost 0 it's enought
CHA 16 cost 6 (efective 10)
2 POINTS LEFT OVER still either 17 cha making the (efecive 13) or stuff a few points in wis for easier spell castign lower elvels adn a few extra sp, I'd do cha.

OK so on a 28 pt drow thats really a 35 point build...

The human can get a 32 point build the dwarf ends up washing out OR loseing stat points since you want a high base cha fro Divine might your gona by at least a 16 dropign to 14 and at BEST buy a 14 bumped to 16 con so he comes out even at 32 pt build.


I will warn you now your gona CURSE pally AP's nomatter which one you build pallys have VERY poor low level AP progresstion unless there is good racials to fill in form 7 spent onward they take off with WAY to much you will want to buy to try and be the best pally you can be IE aura's and support and some extra HP to live longer and do the bets damage you can do....

[Desteria]

BTW i know the triple set is nice for teh new stuff BUT a posible alternative for a bti mroe AC is a shroud tier2 4 insight and cayos guards 1 more ac but lose the nice bracer effetcs and still get the bulk of the extra hate 20% from teh sheild adn armor combo... imo this realyl depends on if you can fit +6str some where else, and how much HP you have, IE do you need 20% healing to make sure your getitgn full heals...
Also depends where that 1 AC puts you IE is your ac floatign in the range where that 1 extra point makes a HUGE difrence IE liek a 25% reduction in damage taken, going from geting hit on a 5 to hit on a 4 for eg.

One more side comment to do with your HP, as a pally who will want to max at leats the AC half of his aure, and you said you want Damage so wantign soem divine sack adn exulted smite action as well YOUR goign to be hard presed for AP wich means if you went dwarf i can almost garenty you will NOT have dwwarf con2 pally toughneess4 and dwarf toughness4 realisticaly racial toughness2 adn pally toughness2 shoudl be NP btu above that will hurt to take.

[Dexxaan]

Ok Garth. Gimp #1 Talonius - Human Evasion-UMD with a twist I´ve been dying to try....just haven´t been stupid enough...(delete delete) I mean brave enough to do. (Dwarven Axe Human)

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Talonius Chaosbane
Level 16 Lawful Good Human Male
(2 Fighter \ 12 Paladin \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 288
Spell Points: 134 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 15
Will: 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            14                    16
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                8                     9
Charisma             14                    17

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               6                    14
Bluff                 2                     3
Concentration         2                     3
Diplomacy             2                     3
Disable Device        3                     3
Haggle                5                     6
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  2                     3
Intimidate            6                    26
Jump                  7                    22.5
Listen                3                     3
Move Silently         2                     3
Open Lock             6                     7
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                2                     2
Spot                  3                     6
Swim                  7                    11
Tumble                6                     7
Use Magic Device      6                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+3)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+5)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Waraxe


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I
Enhancement: Fighter Jump I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

End Build at L20 I have 3 options to choose from:

A) Paladin 16 Fighter 2 Rogue 2 - Paladin heavy build, More Sp´s, better LOH´s and depending on available spells at end game it could be worth considering.

B) Paladin 14 Fighter 4 Rogue 2 - Definitely a more orthodox approach since you´ll have an extra Fighter feat, but check my not so orthodox 3rd option....

C) Paladin 14 Fighter 3 Rogue 3 - Yes you miss out on a Feat but you do get FAM I from 3rd level Fighter, as well as Intimidate points, and most importantly it allows you to get 3rd Level Rogue with the same Intimidate - UMD - Jump - Tumble Etc.. Skills to be a better build all around.

* You can substitute Dwarven Waraxe for Khopesh if you like and yes you´ll have 10% more Crit-Range but since you will be a Zeal - Divine Sacrifice - Divine Might - Divine Favor - Angelskin - Combat Expertise clicking fool like the rest of us console playing Paladins.....then the Base damage from Greensteel Waraxe will rock.

* Although this may sound crazy I´d play this build (Or even Bruttus at this point if and when I took or had 2 Rogue levels) with DTFP and a 2nd set of Evasion Armor depending on quest or situaton.

* Forgot you had +2 Tomes.... please modify as needed.

PS: Gear for most AC Paladin Builds: Spectral Gloves / Leviks Bracers & Shield / Madstone Boots (fun and worth it) / Greensteel CHA Skills-SP´s and +5 Protection-Hvy Fort item. / Head of Good Fortune toggled with Bloodstone / Chattering Ring (Gotta farm it...sry)

[Alcides]

Couple thoughts.
1. You can get 3 More AC from the Alchemical Shield Ritual I, Alchemical Armor Ritual I and Bulwark of Good 4.
2. With Module 8, I have a Dwarven Paladin Intimitank with 50 unbuffed intimidate and I cannot hit the hound reliably anymore.
3. Non-Dwarven Paladins currently can only get a Maximum Dexterity bonus of +3 using a Daggertooth belt while using a mithral tower shield and dragon touched full plate.
4. Dwarven Paladins currently can only get a Maximum Dexterity bonus of +4 using a Daggertooth belt/Dwarven Armor Mastery III while using a mithral tower shield and dragon touched full plate.
5. If I could do it all over again I would definitely reroll as human especially after the intimidation nerf they did in Module 8. Unfortunately my intimitank has about 4 months of solid gear farming on him that I don't want to go through again.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

It took me a few reads of your post to decode your 'leetspeek' but I think I got the gist.

Screw the +5 prot on your DT armor, YOU need a heavy fort item and you can combo that with your +5 prot with min2 and 45 HP from shroud and fit it in lost of body slots to acount for other items...

I already had a +6 stat in the 2nd tier of my armor, and +5 resistance in the 1st tier... have I missed something?

BTW i know the triple set is nice for teh new stuff BUT a posible alternative for a bti mroe AC is a shroud tier2 4 insight and cayos guards 1 more ac but lose the nice bracer effetcs and still get the bulk of the extra hate 20% from teh sheild adn armor combo...

Yes I know that chaosguards give 1 more AC but with a build that has 4 or 5 'primary' stats it's all about using slots for multiple items - i.e. armor for AC, resist and a stat - goggles for prot, heavy fort, bracers for STR and AC etc etc... I listed how I was planning to get all these stats and effects in a post above I think

Ok Garth. Gimp #1 Talonius - Human Evasion-UMD with a twist I´ve been dying to try....just haven´t been stupid enough...(delete delete) I mean brave enough to do. (Dwarven Axe Human)

Thanks Bruttus I'll examine this build in more detail later today

Garth

[Dexxaan]

Here´s Bruttus IF I had access to a +2 INT Tome back in the days of Velah

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Bruttus Chaosbane
Level 16 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(4 Fighter \ 12 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 346
Spell Points: 177 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 13
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            14                    17
Constitution         12                    16
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom               12                    14
Charisma             12                    17

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 12
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 16
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 16
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 16
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 16
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               2                     7
Bluff                 1                     3
Concentration         1                     3
Diplomacy             1                     3
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                     3
Heal                  1                     2
Hide                  2                     3
Intimidate            2                    27
Jump                  3                    12
Listen                1                     2
Move Silently         2                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                1                     4
Spot                  1                     2
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                3                     4
Use Magic Device      3                    12

Level 1 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stability
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stonecutting
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Waraxe
Feat: (Automatic) Giant Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Orc and Goblin Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Poison Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+3)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+3)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery III
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness I
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness II
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness III
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness IV
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV

Thinking Level 20 and with todays game info....I´d start Rogue 1 and take it to Paladin 15 and Fighter 4. Benefits? Higher Skills all around. Strongly would encourage this projected L20 Paladin.

* I modified STR by -1 (Since I´m at 31 right now) and CHA coul use a boost to hit Tier II of Divine Might.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

looks like Human is the way to go given the extra skill points, the un-nerf to racial toughness, the intimidate bonus, and the extra stat points that I can distribute from enhancements.

I'm still taking a previous poster's view that going pally/18 is a good idea - since Eladrin has said that the tier 3 prestige classes will be coming at level 18.

I'm worried about going evasion (rogue/2) because I would have to wear light armor which puts my choices between the BP of destruction (which would limit my ability to combine effects as well as the DT armor) or the dragontouched leather armor, which means that I would have to get my dex bonus up to +7 or 24 to fill it - which means taking my DEX up a lot more than I was planning.

Perhaps 2 fighter levels is best?

Garth

[SteeleTrueheart]

Yes DT armor has hampered the evasion pally somewhat.

2 levels of rogue (instead of fighter) gets you:
+1 DEX enhancement
+1d6 sneak attack
Evasion
UMD access
+6 skill points (more than fighter) per level (+24 at level 1)

2 levels of fighter (instead of rogue) get you:
2 feats
+1 STR enhancement

Both get you:
Intimidate access
Action boost haste +15%

[SteeleTrueheart]

I'm worried about going evasion (rogue/2) because I would have to wear light armor which puts my choices between the BP of destruction (which would limit my ability to combine effects as well as the DT armor) or the dragontouched leather armor, which means that I would have to get my dex bonus up to +7 or 24 to fill it - which means taking my DEX up a lot more than I was planning.

+7 dex mod with 2 rogue levels:
Minor Modification to the stats I originally posted:

(No.) = build point cost
(08) STR 15 +2 tome +6 item +4 level +1 human enhancement = 28
(06) DEX 14 +2 tome +6 item +1 human enhancement +1 rogue enhancement = 24
(04) CON 12 +2 tome +6 item = 20
(04) INT 12 +2 tome =14
(00) WIS 8 +2 tome +6 Item = 16
(10) CHA 16 +2 tome +6 item = 24 (can be upped with Paladin enhancements but may not need to.)

I wish I had so many +2 tomes....

[Dworkin_of_Amber]

I'm thinking of rolling a new toon, and this time I'm hoping to go intimitank.

I've got my eyes on a few things - high DR, high AC, Guards, and self sufficiency.

I'm looking at paladin 11: for the resist 30 spell and also the balwalk of good AC bonus enhancement. Paladins don't get intimidate though so I'd have to work out a way of spending skill points from other classes e.g. rogue or fighter. Please give advice on best way of spending other levels, and go to level 20 too since I'm keeping this toon for mod 9.

Kit I'm going to be getting includes the 3 Levik's armor set (armor, bracers +6, shield). My dragontouched armor will have +5 prot, +5 resist and Levik's Defender on it in order to get this. I will farm chattering ring. I'm also looking to go Dwarf and then getting armor mastery III in order to boost the max dex of the dragontouched FP up to 4 - thus my dex including a +6 item, +2 tome will have to be around 18?

I think my AC is looking like:

10
+15 (armor)
+4 (dex)
+5 (insight)
+9 (shield)
+5 (prot from armor)
+3 (chattering)
+4 (aura)
+1 (dodge feat, maybe if I can spare it)
Unbuffed/dps mode: 56

+3 bark pot
+5 CE
+1 haste
Few buffs: 65

+2 ranger bark
Keensly's buffs: 67

+4 bard
+2 recitation
Raid buffed e.g. tanking sulu: 73

I'm looking to be highish dps but also easy to heal so maybe some kind of healing enhancement. I have access to +2 tomes. I'll probably make a wis+6/concordant opposition item to free spell points back. Not going to wear chaosguards since I have levik's bracers.

Looking for advice on making this build work, and corrections on all my figures since I hate making new builds and usually just roll them semi-randomly and hope for the best.

Garth

Willphase: Let me dig something out when I get home tonight... I had been working on an Update to the Holy Avenger that might be right up your alley... I will tweak for all the +2 Tomes/DT Armor/GS Items, as I know you have access to them... but I think I have somehting you might like.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions, and I look forward to seeing your build Dworkin - when I'm going to be spending 6 +2 tomes at lvl 1, I want to make sure I have the build at least vaguely correct!

Cheers,

Garth