Obama Just Won

[Durack]

[Kalari]

All and all I agree with your post but you don't buy unity from the other side by making your campaign about hating the other side and current pres. Hard to set yourselves above the fray and naive to expect understanding from those you've trashed. (note - you is used in the other side sense - not you personally as I don't know you.)

I understand that but we have to look outside politics for that as well, this country is still divided by the most ridiculous things. As it is racism, sexism agism and other discriminations run rampant in a time where the world is connected via technological and other socially stimulating means and it makes no sense to me. This country is a melting pot different shades, different faiths and backrounds but we are all still Americans living on this soil doing what we have to do to survive. Yet the divisions are still there and strong. And though not as bad as a couple decades ago, for this stuff to still be prevalent, for it to still matter what a persons gender or race or sexual preferance is is disheartening and makes me disapointed in the world I helped bring a child into.

As it stands this whole election spent more time on the candiates, age/sex/race and other non important things. Yes I know all in all its a popularity race and that yes politicians lie, but if we can stop putting up these ridiculous barriers between one and other and try working together instead of constantly focusing on cosmetic/gender/age/race differences, we could focus on the real issues. why people are losing their homes, why many have no health care, why the economy is on a roller coaster ride thats currently shooting downwards. These are the important things not a race, not religion, and not who someone chooses to love or sleep with. I just wish more people understood that. We did make a milestone today I cannot belittle that and as a black woman I admit I never thought id see this day coming period. But it has and im not foolish enough to believe race did not play a key factor in this election I just wish it hadnt.

I guess im still waiting for us to truly be one nation, maybe my kid will see it happen I can only hope so.

[RTN]

yay.. way to go America for voting in the candidate that Al-Qaeda, Iran, China, and Russia PUBLICLY SUPPORTED.

Actually, Al-Qaeda linked folks were for McCain (there has been no official word from Al Qaeda leadership in a while):
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/..._us_election_2

Another news article points to Al Qaeda officially supporting no one:
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true

I could care less who people support, but at least look up the facts before parroting what other people make up.

[Dwaldor]

I give up on talking, we're fkd.

Have a good 4 years digging holes and blaming everyone else but yourselves.

Maybe we should revisit some of those ideas that were shelved back in the 1860s on State's rights.

(and no, I'm not talking slavery.)

I'd personally be all for a resurgence of the 10th amendmant. 2 problems - the states are happy to collect the taxes without the heavy responsibility and the feds certainly aren't going to give up the revenue and control by handing more responsibility back to the states. Dead issue unfortunately.

[Kerrn_Siff]

I'd personally be all for a resurgence of the 10th amendment. 2 problems - the states are happy to collect the taxes without the heavy responsibility and the feds certainly aren't going to give up the revenue and control by handing more responsibility back to the states. Dead issue unfortunately.

yeah.. I was really just alluding to more of the "*bang bang* go away Yankee" side of things.

[Quanefel]

They were both Elected and they were both Firsts. That is something that other candidates & presidents are not. Unlike Woodrow Wilson or John Hamilton, the name Barack Obama WILL be recognized for a very unique aspect, much like George Washington.

Anyway, a friendly reminder that we're getting VERY political and VERY against the CoC.... Just say'n...

They were both first as what? So he will be remembered as unquie because of the color of his skin? How truly sad. Sorry, I vote for people for who they are, not the color of their skin. But hey, guess I am weird like that.

P.S. So a woman as vice president would not be historic also?

[Dwaldor]

I understand that but we have to look outside politics for that as well, this country is still divided by the most ridiculous things. As it is racism, sexism agism and other discriminations run rampant in a time where the world is connected via technological and other socially stimulating means and it makes no sense to me. This country is a melting pot different shades, different faiths and backrounds but we are all still Americans living on this soil doing what we have to do to survive. Yet the divisions are still there and strong. And though not as bad as a couple decades ago, for this stuff to still be prevalent, for it to still matter what a persons gender or race or sexual preferance is is disheartening and makes me disapointed in the world I helped bring a child into.

As it stands this whole election spent more time on the candiates, age/sex/race and other non important things. Yes I know all in all its a popularity race and that yes politicians lie, but if we can stop putting up these ridiculous barriers between one and other and try working together instead of constantly focusing on cosmetic/gender/age/race differences, we could focus on the real issues. why people are losing their homes, why many have no health care, why the economy is on a roller coaster ride thats currently shooting downwards. These are the important things not a race, not religion, and not who someone chooses to love or sleep with. I just wish more people understood that. We did make a milestone today I cannot belittle that and as a black woman I admit I never thought id see this day coming period. But it has and im not foolish enough to believe race did not play a key factor in this election I just wish it hadnt.

I guess im still waiting for us to truly be one nation, maybe my kid will see it happen I can only hope so.

Just curious, were you calling for such togetherness when the "other side" was running things? Seems a convenient position to take today is all. Again - I don't know you but I know plenty of Dems / Libs. Many are spouting unity after years of preaching divisiveness. Very, very hollow and IMO disingenious.

As to the policy issues - I don't think most people would disagree that the problems exist - the difference is in how the problems are addressed. I don't believe in redistribution of wealth and I do believe in personal responsibility. Safety nets sound good on paper and in church but in practice only make it easier for some to rely on others to bail them out of poor choices. I'm not trying to convince you - you made your choice today. Will be interesting to see how it plays out but I'm dang sure hoping my side held onto some of their cajones and realised that this is all cyclical.

[Darkviper]

Somebody on one of the news channels said something I found stupid and ignorant. He said, "I'm not aware
of any president in US history more untested." I had to laugh that someone could forget our first president,
George Washington not only had no idea what the he11 this newly created position would require, .

Such a sad statment, George Washington was the General of our first Army that won our freadom. He went through 4 years of He11 for our nation.

Now please don't compare that to 2 years in Washington and then running a 2 year compain.

[Kistilan]

They were both first as what? So he will be remembered as unquie because of the color of his skin? How truly sad. Sorry, I vote for people for who they are, not the color of their skin. But hey, guess I am weird like that.

P.S. So a woman as vice president would not be historic also?

He is the first black president. If you don't think that's not a big deal.... I really don't want to tell you what to do, but the Civil Rights Movement wasn't a picnic.

Not to trivialize things, but women were not getting killed for their movement, or if there were instances, it was not nearly as many as how many men AND women were injured, killed or deprived and depreciated in a multitude of nefarious ways over the colour of their skin.

A woman Vice President would have been historic, but Obama's election proves that the blood of over two centuries of racism within the US can be overcome. Tell me that's not more moving.

And now I'm done. I don't want to participate in this thread anymore.

[WorldTraveler]

Please do not try to compare him to George Washington. They are in no way similar.

You quoted my whole post. Did you read it? If you did, maybe you missed the fact that I was pointing
out the ignorance of the person who said there has never been such an untested president before. I feel
pretty **** sure that the challenge facing Obama is not even close to that faced by George Washington.
It just strikes me the ignorance of people who try to bash a president that has no experience in the oval
office. I mean, forget Washington for a moment. No president has any idea what's in store for them on
there first term. None ever have. They may be older when they get in office. They may have been
govenors or senators or actors or farmers. But until you pick up that mantle and actually do it, none of
those ideas mean sh*t. They've bashed better men than Obama or McCain for "lack of experience" who
have done better jobs than anyone expected.

People criticized Palin and feared the possibility of her having to take on the responsibility of such an
important office if McCain died. What I've said points out how ridiculous all such opinions are. You can
judge his performance when you've seen him in action. We all will. He hasn't shown himself any more
than McCain would've have at this point cause he hasn't faced that 3:00 AM call. Neither have you.
Nor me. But neither had any of the presidents we might agree were great three months before they
were sworn in. We shall see, won't we?

[Naso24]

I'd be happy to go back to the income tax structure we had in 1905. What was it? 0%

Think of what it would be like to have no federal income tax. People could save. People could create businesses. People could live with a higher standard of living, or afford their current one.

[Borror0]

And now I'm done. I don't want to participate in this thread anymore.

Lies. You'll get sucked in again.

[Kalari]

Just curious, were you calling for such togetherness when the "other side" was running things? Seems a convenient position to take today is all. Again - I don't know you but I know plenty of Dems / Libs. Many are spouting unity after years of preaching divisiveness. Very, very hollow and IMO disingenious.

As to the policy issues - I don't think most people would disagree that the problems exist - the difference is in how the problems are addressed. I don't believe in redistribution of wealth and I do believe in personal responsibility. Safety nets sound good on paper and in church but in practice only make it easier for some to rely on others to bail them out of poor choices. I'm not trying to convince you - you made your choice today. Will be interesting to see how it plays out but I'm dang sure hoping my side held onto some of their cajones and realised that this is all cyclical.

Yes I have for a very long time now and I understand why you ask that because you do not know me. But those who do know that I have always been a person who focuses on who a person is not what they are who they love or what they look like. I vote bi partisan and did in this election since there were candidates running for different parties that held the same postions as I do. And believe me I know ignorance doesnt know any color boundary as many of the older people in my family are seperatists and some even blantantly said they voted for Obama due to his skin color, it created some very heated debates with me as well. I wanted them to open their eyes and make sure they were voting on real issues not cosemetics. To be quite honest I did not originally support Obama at all I wanted Hilary to gain the nomination and would have supported her even if she had loss and no not because she is a woman but because I agreed with a lot of her ideas for health care and the economic structure.

I wont lie didnt like bush but it wasnt because he was a republican the man just bugged me his speeches his manner just bothered me he seemed like he really was put into office because of his family name and not because of his abilities and hes as bright as a 2 watt bulb (my opinion of course). So to answer your question yes I have always been about unity, will be no matter who is in office as long as im breathing. Id like to see a day where we disagree on things outside the superficial, there are plenty of things to hate about other humans assides from looks and their personal beliefs and practices yet those are what keep us divided. Its sad and I hope one day it ceases and disappears.

[DoctorWhofan]

Obama is the best hope for the US. Now its time to move on, get behind YOUR president and move on. Support him and lets try to make America a great country again rather then how the rest of the world views us.

BTW, Im a UK citizen whos just about to become an American Citizen and I can see that Obama is the best for us.

Ok, here's my view: My husband is not only going to be taken a pay cut (most likely), he may lose his job altogether. Obama was not very friendly towards us.

But, you are right, we will stand behind the President ofthe United States, no matter who is in the hot seat. And whether or not we agree with him and his policies.

Because we are in the military and that is what we do. This will be the last political statment you will hear from me or my hubby on it. We are Patriots first, Politics second. And I will deal with it the way my ansestors from the Revolutionary War on up did: we serve the Consistution and the people of this nation, not politics, not a person, but the country.


So everyone needs to be quiet and remember what country they are in, thank you very much.

[Inspire]

Lies. You'll get sucked in again.

Bad Borror!...

[Arjen]

338 electoral votes and counting for Obama.

We freaking won Virginia. North Carolina isn't far behind... Does that register with any of you? If it does not, do a little historical research, you might be surprised. (edit, looks like Indiana as well - which Bush won by 20% last time!)

This has nothing to do with the narrow and marginal wins Bush claimed. If you can't see what's happening, again, please become a student of history and revisit the changes that this win represents. It's much bigger than you might imagine.

No more posts for me here, it's getting to be too much - although I'll add as a final caveat that I'm surprised by a lot of the opinions expressed by the members of our community of gamers, but that is certainly your right and I hope that somehow you can turn your anger into hope.

/peace

[moops]

And don't forget, Washington was almost replaced during the war, it got to a point where no one believed that he could do the job. . .From that to a President.

It's a great day. I will remain optimistic, instead of dwelling in negativity.

I believe that we can all unite and get ourselves out of this slump.

They were both Elected and they were both Firsts. That is something that other candidates & presidents are not. Unlike Woodrow Wilson or John Hamilton, the name Barack Obama WILL be recognized for a very unique aspect, much like George Washington.

Anyway, a friendly reminder that we're getting VERY political and VERY against the CoC.... Just say'n...

[Oior]

McCain...
"These are difficult times for our country. And I pledge to him tonight to do all in my power to help him lead us through the many challenges we face.

I urge all Americans ... I urge all Americans who supported me to join me in not just congratulating him, but offering our next president our good will and earnest effort to find ways to come together to find the necessary compromises to bridge our differences and help restore our prosperity, defend our security in a dangerous world, and leave our children and grandchildren a stronger, better country than we inherited."

Obama...
In this country, we rise or fall as one nation, as one people. Let’s resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long...

...This is our chance to answer that call. This is our moment.
This is our time, to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth, that, out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope. And where we are met with cynicism and doubts and those who tell us that we can’t, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people: Yes, we can.

[Dwaldor]

Yes I have for a very long time now and I understand why you ask that because you do not know me. But those who do know that I have always been a person who focuses on who a person is not what they are who they love or what they look like. I vote bi partisan and did in this election since there were candidates running for different parties that held the same postions as I do. And believe me I know ignorance doesnt know any color boundary as many of the older people in my family are seperatists and some even blantantly said they voted for Obama due to his skin color, it created some very heated debates with me as well. I wanted them to open their eyes and make sure they were voting on real issues not cosemetics. To be quite honest I did not originally support Obama at all I wanted Hilary to gain the nomination and would have supported her even if she had loss and no not because she is a woman but because I agreed with a lot of her ideas for health care and the economic structure.

I wont lie didnt like bush but it wasnt because he was a republican the man just bugged me his speeches his manner just bothered me he seemed like he really was put into office because of his family name and not because of his abilities and hes as bright as a 2 watt bulb (my opinion of course). So to answer your question yes I have always been about unity, will be no matter who is in office as long as im breathing. Id like to see a day where we disagree on things outside the superficial, there are plenty of things to hate about other humans assides from looks and their personal beliefs and practices yet those are what keep us divided. Its sad and I hope one day it ceases and disappears.

You sound like a decent person - yet even though we can agree to be civil, you and I both have quite different ideas on the direction of the country (as does, frankly, everyone.) Because of that, the divisions will always be there. I certainly don't plan on giving up on my ideals due to the result of one election any more than I'm going to give up on my College football team simply because they stink this year. Restock and reload.

[moops]

I think that we should remember, that many people on these forums, as well as many Obama supporters, voted for the first time. Many were not involved with politics, or, simply too young to be involved in the politics of the last 8 - 16 years.

I dont think this "your side" "my side" has such clear cut lines. And out side of that, there are probably only 10% right and 10% left who are negative-- the rest of us are jsut trying to vote for what we think is best for our families and communities.

Just curious, were you calling for such togetherness when the "other side" was running things? Seems a convenient position to take today is all. Again - I don't know you but I know plenty of Dems / Libs. Many are spouting unity after years of preaching divisiveness. Very, very hollow and IMO disingenious.

As to the policy issues - I don't think most people would disagree that the problems exist - the difference is in how the problems are addressed. I don't believe in redistribution of wealth and I do believe in personal responsibility. Safety nets sound good on paper and in church but in practice only make it easier for some to rely on others to bail them out of poor choices. I'm not trying to convince you - you made your choice today. Will be interesting to see how it plays out but I'm dang sure hoping my side held onto some of their cajones and realised that this is all cyclical.