disappointment

[Boldrin]

Today was my first real chance to play since new content came out. I figured I'd spend the day running it all for like 6-8 hours straight.....Then... ****ing server crash happens. It'll be another month before I really get a chance

[oogly54]

Less efficient, but we had 6 "experts" and no one leader.


Now now Ooogly that run went just fine. A little slower than it needed to be but it was done in a good manner and wasn't that big of a problem to knock out.
I have ran that Elite a few times now with various toons and have found that if you have a dam good evasion party member with the right weapons for the end that it is a brezze (Godmode, Lizza,Jak) to name a few.
Not having a party leader worked well seeing how everyone in the party usally leads runs anyway.
A run without a know it all or ego trip was nice. Now someone pleas bring the servers up))

Lol, I wasnt talking about the run I did with you. Remember I told you I had just ran kobold before we joined up. I was refering to that run. The run we did together was fine.

[Sweets]

Still it was a fun run with the group we had. We need to get another one up like that for farming

For the record this sucks waiting for the servers of poooo to go back up.Now bring up the servers we need our fix.

[Samadhi]

(granted I went to sleep early cause jury duty is boring as heck! ).

They let you on jury duty :O

[Looting_Bin]

WOW.....

*** is wrong with every one!!!

I don't normally go on the forums and post but I found this issue and enormous feedback very intriguing and disturbing at the same time.

First thing to the OP, I completely agree and blame player laziness and atrophy for the lack of High End Content that is to be honest fun (BECAUSE ITS NEW CONTENT THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR), and adventurous.

Now for everything else.....

Your NOOBS, and this may be why I am blacklisted so much but what can I say, Some one has to tell you. First off, I don't have All the "right gear" and if I did then what would be the point of playing? If you dont have a wop then get a good crit range wep.....IE>Scimmy, Rapier, Faltion, with the puncture-enfeeble!!!! **** most mobs have such a high DR if you had a wop it wouldn't make a difference!!!

A lot of the groups I've seen for new content are "know the way" or "know the quest" or "have the right stuff" or even "private"...along those lines.

How are people supposed to learn the new content if no one is willing to teach them? I don't have high lvl toons on Risia so I couldn't grind the new quests for two weeks before they went live. Quite frankly I'm disappointed that some people on our laid-back server are showing their "elitism", so to say...

$0.02

P.S. At least our guild leader ran those quests with you so we have a chance to learn them now

OK this is for everyone that followed saying say ignorant remarks.
over the WHOLE f'n weekend I saw 8 private (guilded) and none of the new stuff had any prereqs unless it was SoS.. So BS Stop your whining and excuses, because your scared. Just say what you were feeling instead of making lame excuses. I recently came back to game (3 months ago) after taking a short break. And, I pug everywhere. RAIDS INCLUDED!! I may not have beat the Abbot (something I wanna pug for not Guild) but I join any LFM I see for it every chance I get. The only way to get better is through experience!!! No matter how many times some one tells you to shield block a little door for the mage you won't understand until you do it and watch as the caster nukes and makes the quest 5 times easier. If you see wop on there and have only a +2 seeker +4 rapier of puncturing (on your dex build) that's probably better than if you had a wop. You don't need perfect items just a good Idea, and some common since. there's a ton more I could comment on from all the people complaining but there's no point because you will not get what I am refering to because you haven't stood in that little door way and shield blocked yet.

As far as the Risia comment it, The high end content wasn't even on the server so we all went in blind. No one had any experience except the DEV's.

"Quite frankly I'm disappointed that some people on our laid-back server are showing their "elitism", so to say..."

*** is that stereotyping not only the good players but the whole server come on.

I have always believed that Ghalanda was the best server.. Reasons are simple: we have the best population with a wide variety of player types. Is that stereotyping too? Maybe but its not claiming for some specific reason so I don't think so.

Shroud made most if not all players rusty...

Rusty in play style, play skills, and mind...

I completely agree.

I know one guy, at least, (he used to be in ur old guild actually) who isn't running the new content until the cap is raised cuz he doesn't want to "waste the xp". I tried explaining that when the cap goes up they'll be plenty of content with which to get xp and even suggessted he look at his quest log to see how much low-level xp he "wasted". Anyway, I wonder ig there are others who feel that they would be wasting xp by doing new content while capped?

What is this guy stupid you don't have completions for a quest after you hit lvl cap. It stays at the static number you hit at lvl cap. Go ahead unless they just changed the rules for it (as in today) you don't repeat quest at lvl cap you just get favor. Tell your friend to stop BSing you and start playing. Every time you run any of they high content on a lvl cap its the first time every time.

And some of us have that soloing capability. Some don't. What i don't appreciate is the attitude that you need to know the quest to join, you need to have grinded it on Risia if you want to group with people, and if you ask questions or can't find your way to the group in a quest you don't know, you feel like you're "inconveniencing" them or slowing them down. Maybe I've just had a string of bad groups.

I don't know how to build uber toons that I can solo everything with. And I *enjoy* partying with other people and learning together, not feeling like a burden. I don't expect someone to hold my hand through everything, I just don't appreciate being make to feel like a fool.

I don't want to pick a fight with you, because I know Cerialkiller thinks highly of you.

Trust me I hate soloing you out but I know you and am in your guild so I am hoping that bond keeps yet another from Blacklisting me. That said to every one that thinks this way.... YOUR WRONG. Who cares if you inconvenience some one a little to make things smother and easier. I never feel like I inconvenience a cleric by asking for a heal, I never feel like I inconvenience Bard for asking for a Buff, I never feel like I inconvenience Caster for a fire wall. Why, because that's there Role. Its what they made the Toon for. Its who they are playing. I feel like I inconvenience myself when I have to ask for the things players are made for. What does this have to do with your comment here is what... I ask "CAN YOU MAKE IT TO THE QUEST". You say "YES". I say again to affirm it "DO YOU NEED HELP". Your response "NO". All I am saying is if you need some one to hold your hand say as pathetically as you can muster "I NEED HELP". I say it all the time and I don't think it makes me a bad player just a wise one.
again a ton more I can comment on this.

And Sirea again I am only using your comments as to not inflame everyone that's already inflamed cause they are not confident enough in there skills yet.

"As for the uberness of Ghallanda and the excitement of taking out the new material first you need only look at Ravensgard to see that some of us are doing it."

Good for you. Fortunately, Ravensguard only groups with Ravensguard. Maybe you should post some screen shots so you can brag about your accomplishments. The arrogance spewing from Ravensguards makes me want to throw up.

News flash. There are other things in life more important that tooting your own horn on the DDO forums. Does anyone from Ravensguard have a life?

I know this forum wasn't made for you to take out your little trivial view and prejudgment of some guild you obviously Idealize and envy so ****. Your a horrible person to try and throw peoples names down just because you don't have the same teamwork and drive. If you want, let me throw out some too. Clan of the Twilight, DDO Korea, Sabbat, Etc..... the list goes on of great guilds of people that work together and tell others of the treasures that they have amassed being of like mind and play style.

I have run with them many times too. I was in a guild with half of Ravensguard. I ran with them for 3.5 hours one night and FAILED over and over again on the Abbot. I ran with them and FAILED on the Shroud on Elite. My point is that there are plenty of other groups of people out there that run quests on elite all the time, but don't feel the need to come to these forums and brag themselves up all the time. Those same people also don't feel the need to put down other people whom they feel are inferior or tell other people their builds are ****. Ravensguard is full of people who are arrogant, not confident. I know the difference Chair. They act like they have never failed a quest and we all know that is not true.

I especially loved this part," I'm trying to help you understand. Being uber or good is really about adaptation and awareness and observation." Thanks for the definition. And although I agree with you, it has nothing to do with my point. My point was that RG is full of people that think way too highly of themselves and treat other people poorly for no reason. I have seen it on many occasions. I could list names or examples, but I won't do it. Yes, running with Ravensguard is easy, just be prepared to hear some world class whining if the quest is failed.

I have seen examples of this same behavior with you Chair. I have run with you many times. In fact I ran the Shroud on hard with you and your cleric and we failed. You berated several other people during that run when in reality you held just as much blame if not more than the people you were berating. So get off your high horse and stop trying to help me understand simple definitions.

To be honest with this retort all I can think is some one ****ed on you and you haven't Wiped it off yet. Do you think any one cares about your negative views of people that have obviously lead parties where the same people that say no one is teaching us don't listen when some is trying to teach them? Seriously I have to Lead parties all the time and I hate it it takes some one of strong will and extreme patience to deal with the immaturity of adults that think there is nothing else to learn. Teaching adults is very hard when they have egos like yours. Tone it down and agree for a change instead of defending your feeble views.

Sorry to get on the soap box. I don't usually do that. To any one that may be affended by the things I have typed you can blacklist me (Most noobs do) or you can grow a pair and debate the issues like an adult.

All My Toons... Bendack, Bendak, Bindack, Bindak, Binlootin, Benlooten, Benlootin, Looten, Lootin, Looting.

Feel free to ask me anything in group and understand that I already explained it 5 or more times to other people that asked so don't feel bad if I don't sound enthusiastic. Your The Sixth or Tenth person.

[Missing_Minds]

Sorry to single you out, but this type of comment infuriates me. WHY? Because nobody needs to be taught to run the new quest, go in knowing nothing and learn it yourself. I did not run on Risia either. I went into the new quests knowing nothing. The first time we ran kobold, it was quit dificult, but we kept at it, adjust our method and came up with a way to make it easy on elite. If you always have someone teach you, you are never really learning how to think for yourself.

Then when I stop seeing LFMs of only "know the way" or "only casters with XXX spells" or "I ain't teaching, keep up or drop" maybe I'll actually have a chance to run the new stuff.

The solo elitist attitude irritates me to no end, and as is my choice, I don't have to run with them. The quests are built for teams, not groups of individuals all comparing sizes.

[Ranmaru2]

They let you on jury duty :O

Didn't get picked for any cases....two days of sitting around bored as **** in a room....Good thing I remembered my laptop today

[Sweets]

"As for the uberness of Ghallanda and the excitement of taking out the new material first you need only look at Ravensgard to see that some of us are doing it."

Good for you. Fortunately, Ravensguard only groups with Ravensguard. Maybe you should post some screen shots so you can brag about your accomplishments. The arrogance spewing from Ravensguards makes me want to throw up.

News flash. There are other things in life more important that tooting your own horn on the DDO forums. Does anyone from Ravensguard have a life?

Are you serious? You down guys for being successful or for having free time on their hands?
What are you that insecure that you need to belittle others to feel or look important?
For the record most of us work or have employees that work for us. We just choose to get things done in life as we do in game. Were effective and prompt in many quest because we work as a team and we can deal with adversity. Sorry your not one of use but with a attitude like yours you wouldn't be welcomed in many of the better guilds on this server. Perhaps you just need a hug huh?
Dont worry everything is going to be ok

[Looting_Bin]

Are you serious? You down guys for being successful or for having free time on their hands?
What are you that insecure that you need to belittle others to feel or look important?
For the record most of us work or have employees that work for us. We just choose to get things done in life as we do in game. Were effective and prompt in many quest because we work as a team and we can deal with adversity. Sorry your not one of use but with a attitude like yours you wouldn't be welcomed in many of the better guilds on this server. Perhaps you just need a hug huh?
Dont worry everything is going to be ok

Thank you. I was worried I was the only one that thought this guy was way out of line.

[Sweets]

For the record not everyone in a guild represents their guild the way they should. Not all of us are stuck on ourselfs or our accomplishments. Not all of us need reconition so please dont group a guilds players all together when only a couple could be the ones you have a problem with.All in all this is a great guild of players that only want to share what they know or have done in this game. It isn't always because they want your praise they are just proud of getting done whatever they got done .
Hell almost every guild out there has a few guys that think they are the ******* while others should adore them.

[Gratch]

On LFM's I moreso get annoyed with the partially filled groups - esp raid ones... that sort of keep you on the line for a few mins with multiple open slots and then fill and you ask what's up... since you met their class request and there's no note about "waiting for X/private" and they say:

-Sorry had some guildies switching over
-Sorry we need a sorc over wiz for this - it's on elite
-Noone in the party has grouped with you so we're not sure if you're good enough and took one of the guildies that just logged on

or my favorite from just last week
-We needed a barbo because they kill faster than your fighter...
was even sadder that it was a barbo L13... and it wasn't the shroud... the only quest where I might give this some ounce of "you're right".

If you want to look through the sphincter finder - put it in your LFM notes. Or form your PUG's in the PvP pits.

-This message of frustration brought to you by guildy stealing games such Warhammer, Fallout3, LittleBigPlanet, .... and the letter Z

[Turial]

On LFM's I moreso get annoyed with the partially filled groups - esp raid ones... that sort of keep you on the line for a few mins with multiple open slots and then fill and you ask what's up... since you met their class request and there's no note about "waiting for X/private" and they say:
.... and the letter Z

That is the most annoying thing I have encountered. Well that and people looking for DPS and put no rangers in the LFM.

And darn that letter Z. I have lost more guild mates to that guy then any other screw up in the history of gaming!

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

/hug (psst, when we gonna PvP again?)

... tonight? before I hit the "new stuff" again?

I think im going to call the Waaahbulance on this entire thead. Little amuses me more than listening to someone call themselves elite! I love the forums!!

There is a purpose the Ravengards of the world serve... But remember they arent the ONLY ones doing the new content... Put up your OWN GROUP and ask for a guide... I bet you'll find some takers... then when you KNOW THE QUEST, you should have no problem joining these power gaming guild runs... if there is room.

[Oreg]

"As for the uberness of Ghallanda and the excitement of taking out the new material first you need only look at Ravensgard to see that some of us are doing it."

Good for you. Fortunately, Ravensguard only groups with Ravensguard. Maybe you should post some screen shots so you can brag about your accomplishments. The arrogance spewing from Ravensguards makes me want to throw up.

News flash. There are other things in life more important that tooting your own horn on the DDO forums. Does anyone from Ravensguard have a life?

Yes, I do. A pretty full one actually that involves a wife and child that I spend considerable time with. When I game, I choose to play with some of the most talented players on Ghallanda that I know of. And this is gonna shock you......most of them have families and lives and substantial time away from the game. It's just that when we do log in - we play hard and well.

[oogly54]

Then when I stop seeing LFMs of only "know the way" or "only casters with XXX spells" or "I ain't teaching, keep up or drop" maybe I'll actually have a chance to run the new stuff.

The solo elitist attitude irritates me to no end, and as is my choice, I don't have to run with them. The quests are built for teams, not groups of individuals all comparing sizes.

That is just it, you dont need to wait for those type of LFMs to go away. they have nothing to do with you. you can start a group, you can form a party. Nobody needs to teach you, teach yourself. like you said, you don't have to run with them, great don't. Put up a LFM of your own, stating your desires. It's the helpless attitude that I can't do something unless someone teaches me that really irritates me. TEACH YOURSELF!!

[KatanAztar]

That is just it, you dont need to wait for those type of LFMs to go away. they have nothing to do with you. you can start a group, you can form a party. Nobody needs to teach you, teach yourself. like you said, you don't have to run with them, great don't. Put up a LFM of your own, stating your desires. It's the helpless attitude that I can't do something unless someone teaches me that really irritates me. TEACH YOURSELF!!

Pretty much how I feel. If you do not want to create a group, then there isnt much room to complain.

[Gornin]

Wow. *** people. Ooog was just trying to motivate some people.

Honestly though, I haven't seen a single LFM for the new stuff since Friday. I wasn't on the first couple of days of the new mod due to being sick, but I know some of my guildies had been running it. I logged on Friday hoping to get into some of the new stuff, but no LFM's for it. So start your own group you say. Those who know me know I am uncomfortable leading groups on high level stuff since I cannot use voice. I gave up after an hour.

So I created a new toon and checked out newbie island and checked the LFM in between every quest and no one from guild logged on. Same for Saturday and Sunday nights. Hell, I couldn't even get groups for newbie island and ended up soloing the whole thing up to elite except for Miserys' peak.

I don't think it is a lack of motivation of the type your talking about Ooog. I think alot of people are lack the mmotivation to play period. Alot of my guildies aren't logging on and I see few people I know on. Population is just down or they are all doing lowbie stuff. That is what I am seeing.


My 2cp.

[oogly54]

Wow. *** people. Ooog was just trying to motivate some people.

Honestly though, I haven't seen a single LFM for the new stuff since Friday. I wasn't on the first couple of days of the new mod due to being sick, but I know some of my guildies had been running it. I logged on Friday hoping to get into some of the new stuff, but no LFM's for it. So start your own group you say. Those who know me know I am uncomfortable leading groups on high level stuff since I cannot use voice. I gave up after an hour.

So I created a new toon and checked out newbie island and checked the LFM in between every quest and no one from guild logged on. Same for Saturday and Sunday nights. Hell, I couldn't even get groups for newbie island and ended up soloing the whole thing up to elite except for Miserys' peak.

I don't think it is a lack of motivation of the type your talking about Ooog. I think alot of people are lack the mmotivation to play period. Alot of my guildies aren't logging on and I see few people I know on. Population is just down or they are all doing lowbie stuff. That is what I am seeing.


My 2cp.

Except on Saturday there were six, YES 6!, LFMs for Shroud up at the same time. They were all almost filled too. That is 60-70 people all high level all doing "The same old thing".

[Gornin]

Except on Saturday there were six, YES 6!, LFMs for Shroud up at the same time. They were all almost filled too. That is 60-70 people all high level all doing "The same old thing".

Yea, saw those. Made me wonder too. I mean I need Shroud stuff yet, but this is new content people. We can come back to that.

[Blue_Whale]

WOW.....

Sorry to get on the soap box. I don't usually do that. To any one that may be affended by the things I have typed you can blacklist me (Most noobs do) or you can grow a pair and debate the issues like an adult.

All My Toons... Bendack, Bendak, Bindack, Bindak, Binlootin, Benlooten, Benlootin, Looten, Lootin, Looting.

Feel free to ask me anything in group and understand that I already explained it 5 or more times to other people that asked so don't feel bad if I don't sound enthusiastic. Your The Sixth or Tenth person.

Ditto for me. I couldn't agree with you more Ben. And thanks for saving me the trouble of writing it up. Unfortunately, there will still be those who will not see it. They won't be honest with themselves, accept it for what it is. If only it is as easy as giving them a wisdom tome to eat. Imagine "if life is like that"......who need a mastercard.