I'll never defend Turbine again.

[Aeneas]

Nobody ever said you had to kill the elementals.


mindfog and will save based cc works just fine.

[Phidius]

Quit FODing them! They have a huge fort save. They do not have huge will or reflex saves. We have had no issues with the Reaver (though it requires the whole party to play and not pike) by using dancing ball (still works a lright from a good caster) and firewalling them to death. Also, having your tanks get charges as well helps; they can help fight eles and keep aggro without the knockdown.
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Yes, I know to not use Fod or PK... I was just testing the effectiveness of Enervate in combo with them. I was only able to focus on one elemental because I killed the others with Wall of Fire

well we didnt have enverate used in our group on elite and it did take about 3-5 casts at least per elie but destruction still was working on elite and bb did help some there as well. For me the quest is more fun since people cant really pike anymore

Really? I'll bet in your normal PUG you're still going to have 3-4 people doing all the work, and the others waiting around for their chests.

I mean, sure fighters can get their charge and wield Dreamspitter to help enervate the elementals. Of course, they're going to need to get it very fast, and I hope your cleric/casters don't need to get a charge to recharge their mana and stay on their feet. It's too bad the Dreamspitter requires that you complete the raid multiple times to get, though...

where do you get to practice the puzzle online? That's all I really wanna know..

-Lax

This is my favorite...

http://globalsoftware-inc.com/harncw...ner%20DDO.html

[Phidius]

Nobody ever said you had to kill the elementals.


mindfog and will save based cc works just fine.

Actually, the Reaver isn't the threat here (until he takes your charge away - the Reaver giveth and the Reaver taketh away)... all it takes is one elemental keeping you pinned down and thrown into the middle of the room. With the increase in the number of elementals spawned, it would be quite a feat to keep all of them in perpetual dance mode.

I'd love to see a screen shot of completion with 0 kills. Not being sarcastic - I really would!

[Mindspat]

It's just that after almost 2 years of playing this game, Turbine has made it "not fun."

If this sounds like whining, so be it. It kinda is.

It's exactly what it is.

[miceelf88]

I found the most annoying thing about the Reaver change that they appear to have really scaled back on the giving of charges. I wish they had found a different way to make it harder than the unstoppable knockdown machines which just aren't fun.

But the bigger issue is the casual-friendliness. I had a similar rant after they initially made traps on elite crazy. To their credit, so many people complained they scaled it back.

They fixed rainbow to work as intended, no biggie. But they go back and revisit some quests (like Reaver) while on the other hand, they say they won't revisit old quests. And you can't even get them to talk about the Abbott, which is not only casual-unfriendly but less-than-perfect-connection-unfriendly to boot. They really do seem to focus on making sure things are more challenging, and really seem unwilling to revisit stuff that is offputting to casual players or just plain not fun.

Making sure that players down pwn the game is an important part of development, don't get me wrong, but it's not the only part. Fun is important too.

[7-day_Trial_Monkey]

You contradicted yourself in the same post. You use the word CAUSAL and GRIND in the same sentence. Grinding indicates the ability to be logged on for hours, looting the same thing over and over again. Casual indicates the ability to log on, run something and log off. So which would you prefer?

Tactics? We knew the reaver was changed. We tried 3 times, with 3 different tactics. Again, I'm sure if I had hours to GRIND and try every tactic in the game we could hammer it down and have a specific group of x casters/x clerics/etc with x items and the sort. But how does this benefit the CASUAL gamer?

Casual gamers comlaining about a raid taking too much effort

Turbine, please, please, please, ignore this nonsense from the OP and their supporters.

Thanks.