AC Evasion Tanks Rejoice!

[Gennerik]

No, you both missed the point. People with really high dex get the best of both worlds. People with really low dex get the heavy armor. People with in-between dex (24-26 land) get the shaft.

No, Gol. We get to use the same Kundarak Delving Suit that we've been wearing since Module 1 (Well, since the changed the actual requirements to needing to wear light armor).

[Gol]

No, Gol. We get to use the same Kundarak Delving Suit that we've been wearing since Module 1 (Well, since the changed the actual requirements to needing to wear light armor).

My bad.

KDS is still the strength-based Ranger uniform for me as well.

[Jadeare]

Your clearly unaware of the benefits of evasion.

Yes thats right mate, i made an evasion tank and i am unaware of the benefits i get from evasion. It was all an accident. "OMG i am 16 and strueth! if i make a reflex save i take no damage, how did that happen?"

Your complaining that a person who didn't take the evasion option is benefiting in another way?

People don't "take" evasion, they build around it. I'm not complaining that they have a benefit, im complaining that if i use DT armor and want to keep evasion my AC goes backwards.... get it?

You took advantage of something and got a consequence?

Yes, the penalty i currently pay is 15% lower chance to avoid being hit, people put 6 levels of ranger into their build to get tempest... that's 10%. We are talking about a big difference here.

#1 - You want the highest AC and evasion you will have to make two armors, one for AC and no evasion, one for evasion with less AC.

Or..... how about a DT Chain Shirt please, you can make it 4/6 5/5 or 6/4 idc



#2 - This is a counter balance of the icy rainment. Currently still more armor class then the DT robe or outfit, however the DT obviously has greater effects and will save item slots. To gain the highest armor class the character would have to remain with the icy rainment.

Yes, not asking for highest AC, or even second highest. Just don't want to go backwards.

In a nutshell, they are providing pure class fighters, clerics and paladins (mainly fighters and paladins) with the possibility at a slightly higher armor class, while the evasion tanks remain sitting on the fence with two options: Make the leather to remain with evasion and a little less AC, or make a fullplate and a leather and switch between the armors for when evasion is wanted, or the higher armor class is wanted. Evasion is a big thing..

You seem to have an armor wearing ac evasion intimitank confused with a monk/ranger splash. Can you see the distinction now?
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I believe there should be a middle ground somewhere. Evasion Shield using Armor wearing intimitanks are at least 3 AC behind. I am happy for us to remain 3 AC behind, just don't want to slip to 5 AC behind.

[Rilean]

Once again someone comes in to stand on their soapbox rallying against the injustice of the fool who would dare to question and ask for explanation.

Yes the devs do a good job. Yes this is an excellent game.

I don't feel sorry for them at all Mr high up there on his soap box. I expect that many of them love what they do, working on one of the best game concepts since Tiggy. I just want to know why they did it, if it was a conscious decision or an oversight. Also if anyone can see a way around this and justify this.

Dude seriosly step back and take a chill pill. If I insulted you I appolagise I was just doing what everyone else is and putting in my opinion.

As for what your toons need maybe next mod then again maybe not

[Riminy]

You seem to have an armor wearing ac evasion intimitank confused with a monk/ranger splash. Can you see the distinction now?
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I believe there should be a middle ground somewhere. Evasion Shield using Armor wearing intimitanks are at least 3 AC behind. I am happy for us to remain 3 AC behind, just don't want to slip to 5 AC behind.

Ok wait you dont understand, ill make it blindingly obvious: DT armour is not compulsory. That means no one is making you wear the leather to decrease you armour class.. This is just a mere case of you not getting exactly what suits you. You have no concern for game balance and think that you must wear the DT armour.

So you would end up 5 AC behind with evasion? That seems reasonable to me.. 100's of damage being evaded for 5 AC. Seems pretty fair..

Next people wearing icy rainment should start complaining because if they change from the icy rainment, they lose armor class too. They should right? Heck why not just throw game balance down the drain and we can all play clerics, sorcs and multiclass rangers. (Not saying clerics are overpowered, just pretty essential).

[Clay]

try being a WF.

Try getting a half decent docent from a raid, or mod or quest reward list...

[Jadeare]

Ok wait you dont understand, ill make it blindingly obvious: DT armour is not compulsory.

True, nor are green steel items. Everyone got something there though didn't they.... Tell you what, ill give up on trying to get some DT armor that suits a mid dex build, you destroy all your GS items.

That means no one is making you wear the leather to decrease you armour class.. This is just a mere case of you not getting exactly what suits you. You have no concern for game balance and think that you must wear the DT armour.

Yeah, im really messing up game balance by not wanting to go backwards while taking advantage of new content that most other builds can utilise. Don't worry though, when you give up your GS items we will both be a little gimped. We could form a club

So you would end up 5 AC behind with evasion? That seems reasonable to me.. 100's of damage being evaded for 5 AC. Seems pretty fair..

5 AC is 25%. Now that isnt 25% behind top, that is 25% behind armored tanks. Many who play a tank grind the hell out of titan for chattering ring, that is 15%..... It's a big deal.

Next people wearing icy rainment should start complaining because if they change from the icy rainment, they lose armor class too. They should right? Heck why not just throw game balance down the drain and we can all play clerics, sorcs and multiclass rangers. (Not saying clerics are overpowered, just pretty essential).

Icy Rainments are still the top AC in the game. I think they are probably still quite happy. If MBP wearing tanks had top AC in the game, they wouldnt be writing on the forums asking "what's the go?" We would be nodding our heads at the sagelyness of not improving the best

Do you see any problem with putting in a DT Chain Shirt with 4/6, 5/5 or 6/4? Is that in any way overpowered?

Don't compare evasion tanks asking for something to wear to an icy rainment wearer wanting something improved. It is just ridiculous.

[Jadeare]

try being a WF.

Try getting a half decent docent from a raid, or mod or quest reward list...

Yep, Valid.

[Aesop]

Well... they added more Weapons to the Shroud ... maybe they'll add Chain Shirt to the list of DT eventually...

Or maybe there will be an Eldrtitch Rune that increases the Dex and reduces the Type to a minimum of light for the Breastplate .

All things are possible.


Though you guys got a couple of "decent ones" last Mod with the BP of Destruction and the Crippling Chain... not customizable but they aren't too bad

I don't currently have a Evasion Tank ... but then again if I was to complain it would be that there are no DT Shields... who knows maybe they'll add DT Shields and Chain Shirt next Mod


Aesop

[Vivanto]

I think this is the reason Turbine made the Icy Rainments so easy to obtain in the Subterrain. icy rainments might be a little less the dragontouched, but they're pretty good

No, Icy Raiments are still the best cloth out there a Dex-toon can have AC-wise.

[Jadeare]

Well... they added more Weapons to the Shroud ... maybe they'll add Chain Shirt to the list of DT eventually...

Or maybe there will be an Eldrtitch Rune that increases the Dex and reduces the Type to a minimum of light for the Breastplate .

All things are possible.


Though you guys got a couple of "decent ones" last Mod with the BP of Destruction and the Crippling Chain... not customizable but they aren't too bad

I don't currently have a Evasion Tank ... but then again if I was to complain it would be that there are no DT Shields... who knows maybe they'll add DT Shields and Chain Shirt next Mod


Aesop

Yeah, guess ill just hold onto my runes.

Here is hoping. Do you think a DT Chain Shirt would be in any way over powered Aesop?

[ThrasherGT]

No, Icy Raiments are still the best cloth out there a Dex-toon can have AC-wise.

People Keep saying this, but You're assuming that EVERYONE That Has the Rainments has a Chattering ring?

Without the ring, The DT Robe/ Outfit and the +3 Dodge rune is +1 Armor over the Rainments!

9>8. simple math.

[Vivanto]

People Keep saying this, but You're assuming that EVERYONE That Has the Rainments has a Chattering ring?

Without the ring, The DT Robe/ Outfit and the +3 Dodge rune is +1 Armor over the Rainments!

9>8. simple math.

Apart from the dodge everything else can be aquired easy.

4>3, simple math.

[Gol]

People Keep saying this, but You're assuming that EVERYONE That Has the Rainments has a Chattering ring?

Without the ring, The DT Robe/ Outfit and the +3 Dodge rune is +1 Armor over the Rainments!

9>8. simple math.

Chattering doesn't matter.

Raiment 4 Dodge + Armor Bracers 8 = 12
DT Robe/Outfit 6 Armor + 3 Dodge + 2 Chaosgarde = 11

If you care about AC, you'll have at least 7 Armor bracers, and likely 8. And it doesn't even require LG alignment. It also stacks with Chattering if you ever do get lucky enough to pull one.

[brshelton]

But who cares cuz were still better in the new content than other builds...

[Gol]

But who cares cuz were still better in the new content than other builds...

Yeah, we just have no reason to run it because all the stuff you need for the armor binds. At least we could run shroud for ingreds to sell them.

[Paladin20]

*removed*

[Dexxaan]

No, you both missed the point. People with really high dex get the best of both worlds. People with really low dex get the heavy armor. People with in-between dex (24-26 land) get the shaft.

I agree, but the exception of every rule...or generalized statement:

Bruttus -my main has a 22 DEX and has undispellable-unbuffed-unboosted 69 AC. (of course he's a Dwarf with Leviks Combo Black DragonPlate for now Pal 12 Fighter 4)

I agree that Evasion Tanks that want to have the AC need to Carry a set of XYZ Full Plate in their packs for certain areas, Quests, etc....(My other 2 Evasion Tanks do exactly that for some instances)

[Aesop]

Yeah, guess ill just hold onto my runes.

Here is hoping. Do you think a DT Chain Shirt would be in any way over powered Aesop?

Not as far as I can tell. It would have a lower Dex max but +2 Armor Bonus thus making it about equal in effect.

Aesop

[Gol]

Not as far as I can tell. It would have a lower Dex max but +2 Armor Bonus thus making it about equal in effect.

Now if only all those Str-based Dwarf Rangers or Splashed Evasion Fighters could reach 32 Dex, you might have a point.