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    Default AC Evasion Tanks Rejoice!

    Our Dragon Touched Armor options now are:

    1. Wear leather and loose some AC to gain some of the new super cool, slot reducing, waited for months to see, effects.

    2. Wear Breastplate and loose evasion.

    3. Reroll your character. If you had this knowledge before hand you would have built differently. You can make better now.

    There is no armor here for an AC Evasion Tank. We already sacrifice AC and Build Points to have evasion. Now, to wear DT Armor, we sacrifice more.

    So Devs, if you had an evasion tank, what armor would you choose? Remember to consider you have been building this Evasion tank for three months and had no knowledge of what to come.

    Feel free to set me straight if i am wrong here.

    Be prepared to defend your statements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadeare View Post
    Our Dragon Touched Armor options now are:

    1. Wear leather and loose some AC to gain some of the new super cool, slot reducing, waited for months to see, effects.
    Isn't this leather a higher base AC than normal leather, putting it pretty much on par with MBP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jadeare View Post
    Feel free to set me straight if i am wrong here.

    Be prepared to defend your statements.
    You forgot option 4... don't get DT armor. Not everyone saw a useful Dragon scale or Necro armor for their build either....

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    What DEX does your evasion tank have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by willphase View Post
    What DEX does your evasion tank have?

    Garth
    26 with a +2 tome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadeare View Post
    26 with a +2 tome.
    You lost me here. The new Leather is 8 armor/ 7 dex , right? if You take 1 level of ftr. armor mastery that equals 16 armor, which is exactly the same as a Mith. chain shirt.

    Throw in the +3 dodge bonus on the new armor (unless You've got a Chattering ring, of course) and this is inferior how?

    Or is this that You are feeling cheated because Full Plate got a boost?

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    Clearly if i have 26 Dex and am Using MBP i also have FAM3.

    Does that clear things up a little mate?

    It isnt about a boost to AC, it is about the three tiers of effects you can stack on an item to compact you slots.

    The same AC would do nicely thanks.

    Would just like an even shake of the branch.
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    Once again this proves that no matter what turbine does someone will complain. I feel sorry for the DEVs they work hard to try and improve our game and get no thanks.

    Well here I am saying thanks (oh and I have an evasion tanks too)

    Welldone turbine you have made a great game.

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    I think this is the reason Turbine made the Icy Rainments so easy to obtain in the Subterrain. icy rainments might be a little less the dragontouched, but they're pretty good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldeneye View Post
    I think this is the reason Turbine made the Icy Rainments so easy to obtain in the Subterrain. icy rainments might be a little less the dragontouched, but they're pretty good
    No, Icy Raiments are still the best cloth out there a Dex-toon can have AC-wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivanto View Post
    No, Icy Raiments are still the best cloth out there a Dex-toon can have AC-wise.
    People Keep saying this, but You're assuming that EVERYONE That Has the Rainments has a Chattering ring?

    Without the ring, The DT Robe/ Outfit and the +3 Dodge rune is +1 Armor over the Rainments!

    9>8. simple math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilean View Post
    Once again this proves that no matter what turbine does someone will complain. I feel sorry for the DEVs they work hard to try and improve our game and get no thanks.

    Well here I am saying thanks (oh and I have an evasion tanks too)

    Welldone turbine you have made a great game.
    Once again someone comes in to stand on their soapbox rallying against the injustice of the fool who would dare to question and ask for explanation.

    Yes the devs do a good job. Yes this is an excellent game.

    I don't feel sorry for them at all Mr high up there on his soap box. I expect that many of them love what they do, working on one of the best game concepts since Tiggy. I just want to know why they did it, if it was a conscious decision or an oversight. Also if anyone can see a way around this and justify this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorien the First One View Post
    Isn't this leather a higher base AC than normal leather, putting it pretty much on par with MBP?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dexxaan View Post
    Dude - Paying with some AC to have evasion is well worth it and makes sense...what's next evasion-tanks in Lt. Armor out AC'ng Heavy Armor-clad AC Tanks.... geesh.
    No, you both missed the point. People with really high dex get the best of both worlds. People with really low dex get the heavy armor. People with in-between dex (24-26 land) get the shaft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gol View Post
    No, you both missed the point. People with really high dex get the best of both worlds. People with really low dex get the heavy armor. People with in-between dex (24-26 land) get the shaft.
    Spot on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gol View Post
    No, you both missed the point. People with really high dex get the best of both worlds. People with really low dex get the heavy armor. People with in-between dex (24-26 land) get the shaft.
    Precisely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gol View Post
    No, you both missed the point. People with really high dex get the best of both worlds. People with really low dex get the heavy armor. People with in-between dex (24-26 land) get the shaft.


    QFT

    The lore doesn't really allow the dragon touched armor to be Mithril but if they added the full range of light armors it would be a huge boon.

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    Default We don't get the shaft.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gol View Post
    No, you both missed the point. People with really high dex get the best of both worlds. People with really low dex get the heavy armor. People with in-between dex (24-26 land) get the shaft.
    No, Gol. We get to use the same Kundarak Delving Suit that we've been wearing since Module 1 (Well, since the changed the actual requirements to needing to wear light armor).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadeare View Post
    Once again someone comes in to stand on their soapbox rallying against the injustice of the fool who would dare to question and ask for explanation.

    Yes the devs do a good job. Yes this is an excellent game.

    I don't feel sorry for them at all Mr high up there on his soap box. I expect that many of them love what they do, working on one of the best game concepts since Tiggy. I just want to know why they did it, if it was a conscious decision or an oversight. Also if anyone can see a way around this and justify this.
    Dude seriosly step back and take a chill pill. If I insulted you I appolagise I was just doing what everyone else is and putting in my opinion.

    As for what your toons need maybe next mod then again maybe not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorien the First One View Post
    Isn't this leather a higher base AC than normal leather, putting it pretty much on par with MBP?



    You forgot option 4... don't get DT armor. Not everyone saw a useful Dragon scale or Necro armor for their build either....
    No, the leather is Higher max dex bonus.

    I can not use DT armor, true.
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    Dude - Paying with some AC to have evasion is well worth it and makes sense...what's next evasion-tanks in Lt. Armor out AC'ng Heavy Armor-clad AC Tanks.... geesh. EDIT: WAIT! - That's already happening!

    You have the BP of Destruction which is a HUGE advantage at a -1 to AC, yet saves a slot and so easy to get...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexxaan View Post
    Dude - Paying with some AC to have evasion is well worth it and makes sense...what's next evasion-tanks in Lt. Armor out AC'ng Heavy Armor-clad AC Tanks.... geesh.

    You have the BP of Destruction which is a HUGE advantage at a -1 to AC, yet saves a slot and so easy to get...
    I agree, Light armor tanks should not have as high an AC as heavy armored. it is worth it to pay some AC for Evasion. How much is enough? 1? 2? 3?

    I already pay 3 AC for evasion, -1 for MBP over MFP, -2 for Large Shield against Tower shield. Worked these out a while ago so my memory could be a bit off there, but i believe that is correct.

    How does BP of Destruction save a slot? +4 protection doesnt save a slot. It reduces your AC by 1 against a prot item.
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