Change to Reaver - utter waste of dev time

[Cold_Stele]

So the devs have increased mob saves to PK/FOD. Can't see the point myself but /meh.

What has really p*ssed me off is this - I go out for mana after buffing just to be on the safe side (as I've heard it's a lot harder). Main tank doesn't realise and runs forward, barrier comes down.

So I go back in, get killed by ellies and wait to go to dead room. I don't. My stone stays there between door and blue barrier. Quest ends, I'm still there.

Before the trolls start, I'm not p*ssed cos I missed the chests. If that was the case I'd have quit group and joined the next run.

What's getting me is that I simply cannot believe that the dev's time and our (the customers') money has been put into making a change as pointless as this, stopping latecomers getting chests.

I find it unbelievable that Turbine could not find better use for those resources - instead of new content we get a harder grind for the stuff we already have.

/stunned

[DaveyCrockett]

Hell, I'll pay extra to stop pikers.

[Dracolich]

Hell, I'll pay extra to stop pikers.

Ok *** is a Piker? Is it a person who fishes for Pike? Is it a person who weilds a pike in battle? What the hell does a pike have to do with somone being lazy in a quest? Who was the numbskull who thinks of these internet terms like "pikers" and all the other words that dont make any sense unless you are the one who made it up.

[Falco_Easts]

Ok *** is a Piker? Is it a person who fishes for Pike? Is it a person who weilds a pike in battle? What the hell does a pike have to do with somone being lazy in a quest? Who was the numbskull who thinks of these internet terms like "pikers" and all the other words that dont make any sense unless you are the one who made it up.

/off topic
Pike and Piker are pretty common slang and nothing to do with the internet.

[Dracolich]

/off topic
Pike and Piker are pretty common slang and nothing to do with the internet.

Ok what part of life has this term ever come up in? I only know of ever hearing it on the internet. So tell me what does it mean and where it came from if not the internet? Was it somone whos last name was "Pike" and he was a lazy ass so everyone calls lazy people pikers now? Cmon if you know were it did not originate from you surely must know were it did originate.

Sorry for sounding punchy it just annoys me when people use stupid MMO terms without knowing where something came from or why it was.

[Falco_Easts]

Ok what part of life has this term ever come up in? I only know of ever hearing it on the internet. So tell me what does it mean and where it came from if not the internet? Was it somone whos last name was "Pike" and he was a lazy ass so everyone calls lazy people pikers now? Cmon if you know were it did not originate from you surely must know were it did originate.

Sorry for sounding punchy it just annoys me when people use stupid MMO terms without knowing where something came from or why it was.

Can't speak for where it came from but I know I have used it since school, before MMO's were around and the internet was only just starting.
It basically means someone who pulls out of something or takes the soft option.

"Hey man, thought you were coming to the party Saturday night?"
"Sorry mate, something came up and I had to pike"

[Razvan]

I find it unbelievable that Turbine could not find better use for those resources - instead of new content we get a harder grind for the stuff we already have.

/stunned

So, why are you running the quest?

Personally I find it refreshing that a raid is not a simple loot run anymore (for some pugs that is...it is still an easy raid)

[Cold_Stele]

So, why are you running the quest?

Personally I find it refreshing that a raid is not a simple loot run anymore (for some pugs that is...it is still an easy raid)

I'm running the quest the same reason as everyone else - doing it for my 20/40/60 end rewards cos I've got everything else.

I still got completion so that's not what worries me.

What does worry me is that we get limited new content but time and money spent on pointless changes - in this case late comers don't go to dead room.

Look, if Turbine had a perfect game or an unlimited development budget I wouldn't give a cr*p, but we all know that's far from the truth.

[MrWizard]

It should not be too hard. A few well placed symbols like pain, some curses, and a few balls...pk/fod...done.

Some shield blocking and using more than one tank...


no late joiners...no biggie.


Just some new strategy needed, some thinking, then back to boring again.


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[xberto]

It should not be too hard.


Just some new strategy needed, some thinking, then back to boring again.


...

I agree with Mr Wizard.

To the OP: No sence getting your panties in a bunch. I doubt the changes took much dev time as compared to creating new content from scratch. Besides, now the quest might require a little more interaction with players besides just the 2 or 3 we've need in the past..

[Milolyen]

Who says it was a waste of dev time and resources ... mabye it was a pet peeve of a dev and they made a quick change on their own time? You know kind of like what Codog did with the spinning while shrining? I don't think that a change like this would have been hard to make either. Just put an exclusion of "this" area on the code that ports people and stones up to the holding area.

Milolyen

[Grenfell]

I agree with Mr Wizard.

To the OP: No sence getting your panties in a bunch. I doubt the changes took much dev time as compared to creating new content from scratch. Besides, now the quest might require a little more interaction with players besides just the 2 or 3 we've need in the past..

Considering that I still can't "Delete All" on my Confirmed mail, and that change would have taken just as little time as the "let's screw latecomers to Reaver" change... I'm getting my panties in a bunch.

Too often, it feels like a Player Representative has to start sitting in on dev priority meetings so they can have a clue as to what's actually important to us.

/gren

[Redd]

What has really p*ssed me off is this - I go out for mana after buffing just to be on the safe side (as I've heard it's a lot harder). Main tank doesn't realise and runs forward, barrier comes down.

:

Wow I didn't know ppl still called out after buffing I thought that was what recharge was for

[Cold_Stele]

Wow I didn't know ppl still called out after buffing I thought that was what recharge was for

/Sigh

Please read post - I recalled for mana just in case, as I knew it had changed.

It's called being prepared.

No, you're right - it's my fault they made the changes that effect late comers.

[miceelf88]

I took the OP to be focused not on the changes (which I think we all agree are no big deal), but rather on the fact that Devs are wasting their time jiggering with Reaver when there are FAR more pressing things to be dealt with. We have a raid that doesn't work at all, and the devs are working on preventing late comers to reaver from getting chests. We have ongoing lag issues and the devs are working on preventing late comers to reaver from getting chests. We have broken AI for some critters and the devs are working on preventing late comers to reaver from getting chests. We have hirelines starting later than originally planned/hoped and... well you get the picture.

I am 95% happy with the game, don't get me wrong, but I really wish they'd focus on the isolated, but glaring problems with the game, and not on changes that don't really impact anyone's fun factor at all...

[Cold_Stele]

So let me get this straight.... you're complaining that people can no longer hitch a ride through a high level quest and don't get to loot because they came after it started?

*sob* muffin *sob*

If you spent half the time actually reading my post rather than trolling you'd look as smart as this guy -

I took the OP to be focused not on the changes (which I think we all agree are no big deal), but rather on the fact that Devs are wasting their time jiggering with Reaver when there are FAR more pressing things to be dealt with.

I am 95% happy with the game, don't get me wrong, but I really wish they'd focus on the isolated, but glaring problems with the game, and not on changes that don't really impact anyone's fun factor at all...

Thankyou miceelf for actually taking the trouble to understand what this thread is actually about.

[juniorpfactors]

who really cares... I have not run this raid on the last 3 toons that are capped,,,,better loot out there

its old and been run into the ground

jrp

[DoctorWhofan]

I took the OP to be focused not on the changes (which I think we all agree are no big deal), but rather on the fact that Devs are wasting their time jiggering with Reaver when there are FAR more pressing things to be dealt with. We have a raid that doesn't work at all, and the devs are working on preventing late comers to reaver from getting chests. We have ongoing lag issues and the devs are working on preventing late comers to reaver from getting chests. We have broken AI for some critters and the devs are working on preventing late comers to reaver from getting chests. We have hirelines starting later than originally planned/hoped and... well you get the picture.

I am 95% happy with the game, don't get me wrong, but I really wish they'd focus on the isolated, but glaring problems with the game, and not on changes that don't really impact anyone's fun factor at all...

That is what I get, but I have to agree it was a change that was needed. The whole point of the barrier in the first place is so there wasn't any freeloaders. We found a way around it, so they fixed it again. I really don't think it took alot of time, and I think it was on their list ofthings to do, put off because it wasn't important. Most likely, one ofthe devs while working on something else figured that it could work on the Reaver, too. And here it is.

SO it wasn't a IMPORTANT change, but it was one we needed.

[geoffhanna]

I am 95% happy with the game, don't get me wrong, but I really wish they'd focus on the isolated, but glaring problems with the game, and not on changes that don't really impact anyone's fun factor at all...

I just finished it for the first time since the change. Everyone in the group was busy. There was some excitement. There was a little nervousness. There was palpable relief when we killed him and headed for the puzzle part.

Compare this with my previous run, before the change. After zoning, there was some argument over who would tank. I lost. I, and the other melees that lost, spent the entire quest /sleeping against the blue wall.

This absolutely impacted the fun factor on one of the most constantly-run quests in the game. And it probably didn't take any code changes at all (testing tho of course). Prioritization is all about bang for the buck. This seems like a pretty effective use of an hour to me.

[quickgrif]

I just finished it for the first time since the change. Everyone in the group was busy. There was some excitement. There was a little nervousness. There was palpable relief when we killed him and headed for the puzzle part.

Compare this with my previous run, before the change. After zoning, there was some argument over who would tank. I lost. I, and the other melees that lost, spent the entire quest /sleeping against the blue wall.

This absolutely impacted the fun factor on one of the most constantly-run quests in the game. And it probably didn't take any code changes at all (testing tho of course). Prioritization is all about bang for the buck. This seems like a pretty effective use of an hour to me.

Until you consider that hour could of been used on some other bug or quest that had more glaring problems.