Change to Reaver - utter waste of dev time

[Deathseeker]

OMG folks, Stop all the whining about the reaver...

If the only reason your running it is to get your 20/40/60 competions, DO IT On NORMAL.
I fyou need to run it on elite, how about going back to .. Oh.. I dunno... TACTICS and TEAMWORK..... You Know.. Crown COntrol.. Mindfog.. ENERVATION..... Boo Hoo.. One arcane cant take care of all the ele's by himself anymore... GImme a break.. THe Quest was Pathetically easy on elite.... this is a Level 16 Quest on elite remeber? Its not supposed to be a 3 man Gimme quest.

as for the /death in the foyer... Bo Hoo again.. It was an Exploit and you know it. get over it.

100% correct Impaqt...

And as for the lack of notice...last night most of my Pug knew it had been changed to some degree, and several already had known how to counter the changes. This was within 24 hours of the update. Not exactly like the lack of notice had any major effect on anything. The player community handles the communication pretty effectively even if the release notes don't.

[Tresha_D'Artet]

OMG folks, Stop all the whining about the reaver...

If the only reason your running it is to get your 20/40/60 competions, DO IT On NORMAL.
I fyou need to run it on elite, how about going back to .. Oh.. I dunno... TACTICS and TEAMWORK..... You Know.. Crown COntrol.. Mindfog.. ENERVATION..... Boo Hoo.. One arcane cant take care of all the ele's by himself anymore... GImme a break.. THe Quest was Pathetically easy on elite.... this is a Level 16 Quest on elite remeber? Its not supposed to be a 3 man Gimme quest.

as for the /death in the foyer... Bo Hoo again.. It was an Exploit and you know it. get over it.

i completely agree here, big deal someone doesnt go to the 'dead room' if all you care about is the completions, then just die and be happy

personally i happen to like the new lowbie area, mebbe its just me

[Mercules]

You mean for the day or two or three I reside at those levels???!!!???

I think I heard the complaint before, "Why shouldn't I powerlevel, the first three levels are always the same?" maybe not from you, but still. So they change it all around giving old people a new experience and new people(which might someday be in your group/guild) a better experience. So now the complaint will be, "Stop wasting time I don't spend time at those levels anyway. I already know how to make a character."

[Grenfell]

I agree with Mr Wizard.

To the OP: No sence getting your panties in a bunch. I doubt the changes took much dev time as compared to creating new content from scratch. Besides, now the quest might require a little more interaction with players besides just the 2 or 3 we've need in the past..

Considering that I still can't "Delete All" on my Confirmed mail, and that change would have taken just as little time as the "let's screw latecomers to Reaver" change... I'm getting my panties in a bunch.

Too often, it feels like a Player Representative has to start sitting in on dev priority meetings so they can have a clue as to what's actually important to us.

/gren

[Impaqt]

Considering that I still can't "Delete All" on my Confirmed mail, and that change would have taken just as little time as the "let's screw latecomers to Reaver" change... I'm getting my panties in a bunch.

Too often, it feels like a Player Representative has to start sitting in on dev priority meetings so they can have a clue as to what's actually important to us.

/gren

"Reply" would be nice as well....

Monster CR and Spawn rate can all be worked around using Tactics.... SO we gotta change up a bit.. thats not a big deal to me at al...

ITs the core stuff that does bug me....

TOtally agree that a Delete all is LONG overdue along with a Reply button...

Our Auction house is in desperate need for a "Search" Function...

If there is ONE complaint I have regarding anything that was changed in Mod 8 its the Raise in the Intim check (SPecifically the Hound, but I think other checks were raised as well). We already get a huge penalty against that raid boss as it is due to size and now the check is higher? Thats BS. People who Focus on a Intim cant hit this check now without failure on NORMAL.. Cant wait to see waht the DC is on hard and elite....

[Mercules]

It's Quest For The Ancient Daggers with sahaugin instead of zombies, it's Search for the Rare Scrolls with spiders instead of thieves. You protect a crystal instead of a crate like you've been doing for the past two years.

The fact that you're trying to justify yourself just makes me laugh all the harder.

Some people just don't get it - old content just got rehashed and regurgitated and people are happily running the same old stuff cos the devs tell them to - some are even rolling new toons so they can run the entire game over again.

Sahaugin and zombies and more spiders. They tweaked the quests both to have them make more sense in a story line and to run a little better, offer up something else. They improved a new players experience to the game so they might stick around long enough to run a raid with you. Instead of appreciating them for it lets whine about it.

Mod 7 had a lot of focus on the upper levels, it's time they turned some to the people coming in. You need to retain customers and gain new ones for your business to grow.

I never did get people who will complain about not having new content and then run the exact same quest over and over and over and over and over and over... ect. again for a particular item. Why do you need new content? You are willing to run the same quest over and over and...

Then you go and mention they actually changed the look and feel of a quest and get blasted because "It's the same thing." Um... right... not at all like running the same raid 20/40/60 for some marginal increase in character power that will let you conquer... er.. Um... the raid you just ran?

[DoctorWhofan]

It's Quest For The Ancient Daggers with sahaugin instead of zombies, it's Search for the Rare Scrolls with spiders instead of thieves. You protect a crystal instead of a crate like you've been doing for the past two years.

The fact that you're trying to justify yourself just makes me laugh all the harder.

Some people just don't get it - old content just got rehashed and regurgitated and people are happily running the same old stuff cos the devs tell them to - some are even rolling new toons so they can run the entire game over again.

Sorry, Misery's Peak and the explorer area is new. And pretty awesome.

[DoctorWhofan]

Sahaugin and zombies and more spiders. They tweaked the quests both to have them make more sense in a story line and to run a little better, offer up something else. They improved a new players experience to the game so they might stick around long enough to run a raid with you. Instead of appreciating them for it lets whine about it.

Mod 7 had a lot of focus on the upper levels, it's time they turned some to the people coming in. You need to retain customers and gain new ones for your business to grow.

I never did get people who will complain about not having new content and then run the exact same quest over and over and over and over and over and over... ect. again for a particular item. Why do you need new content? You are willing to run the same quest over and over and...

Then you go and mention they actually changed the look and feel of a quest and get blasted because "It's the same thing." Um... right... not at all like running the same raid 20/40/60 for some marginal increase in character power that will let you conquer... er.. Um... the raid you just ran?

/signed.

I run quests over and over agin cuz I LIKE them, not forthe loot (okay maybe Co6 and TR) but for the fun. SOrry, level 16 raid loot mongers are not the only people in the game. Occasionally we get new ones.

[Mercules]

Somehow lag created a double post.

[Deathseeker]

Considering that I still can't "Delete All" on my Confirmed mail, and that change would have taken just as little time as the "let's screw latecomers to Reaver" change... I'm getting my panties in a bunch.

Too often, it feels like a Player Representative has to start sitting in on dev priority meetings so they can have a clue as to what's actually important to us.

/gren

OK, I'll have to give a little as you do raise a good point. To me the two things are not dependent (I highly doubt they didn't do delete all because they did the Reaver change). BUT, to your point, seems like there are some little things they could do (like this) that we'd love that they don't, thus why you are frustrated about other things being changed you didn't want.

I still don't quite tie the two together...but I'll agree that it would be nice to see a November "here's a bunch of minor stuff you've all been asking for" update. Would keep the players happy, and wouldn't be a big deal to do. In fact...I think that's such a good idea I'll go post it

[samagee]

/Sigh

Please read post - I recalled for mana just in case, as I knew it had changed.

It's called being prepared.

No, you're right - it's my fault they made the changes that effect late comers.

It happened to me once before these changes. I don't run that quest much any more, but the last couple times I ran it I didn't recall out. In a group that size it's easy for things to get miscommunicated, or purposely done.

[Deathseeker]

It's Quest For The Ancient Daggers with sahaugin instead of zombies, it's Search for the Rare Scrolls with spiders instead of thieves. You protect a crystal instead of a crate like you've been doing for the past two years.

The fact that you're trying to justify yourself just makes me laugh all the harder.

Some people just don't get it - old content just got rehashed and regurgitated and people are happily running the same old stuff cos the devs tell them to - some are even rolling new toons so they can run the entire game over again.

You're right! How could these people be having fun and happily rerunning these quests? Don't they know they shouldn't have fun with recycled content! Only unrecycled content counts as legitimate fun. Recycled content is not acceptable as allowing new fun!

Those devs...causing players to enjoy themselves with trickery and shenanigans. Unbelievable....

Or maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the same definition of fun as you do, and to a large portion of the player base, we actually do get a kick out of running these quests in their "new and improved" state.

Guess I'm not sure why it's "acceptable" to rerun high level content over and over, but not acceptable to run low level content over and over. If you think you can have enough content to never repeat either one...well, DDO is not the right place for you.

There are actually players that like rerolling and character building that they end up having rerun the lowbie quests a TON more than they've ever run Rainbow or the Shroud. This update was a huge improvement for those types...they just aren't necessarily the types that post on the forums a lot. But I have a feeling Turbine tends to like their money as much as anyone else's.

[Mindspat]

What has really p*ssed me off is this - So I go back in, get killed by ellies and wait to go to dead room. I don't. My stone stays there between door and blue barrier. Quest ends, I'm still there.

I wanted to make a whitty comment although I can't think of anything without blatant trolling.

Would you like some ice scream?

[muffinlad]

A) I hate unannounced via release notes, changes. You dont have to even be exact...but a "The Stormreaver has recruited tougher allies" etc. is expected and best practice behavior.

B) That being said, I love the changes. With all of them tougher now, everyone has something to do, rather than just sit there during the quest.

muffinstormer

[Cold_Stele]

I wanted to make a whitty comment although I can't think of anything without blatant trolling.

Would you like some ice scream?

Hmmm, I see why you're actually incapable of making a witty reply as you seem to lack the attention span to read my entire post.

My complaint is not that I didn't get loot (I could have just recalled out when I didn't go to the dead zone and joined one of the other dozen pugs that run every day). Neither is it that the raid is harder or now requires different tactics.

Please reread my post to get a clue what the thread's about.

Oh, btw, please do me the courtesy of not editing my text when quoting, eh?

as for the /death in the foyer... Bo Hoo again.. It was an Exploit and you know it. get over it.

Same comment again really, try reading the actual post maybe? I know you're a smart guy, you can do better than this.

[Deathseeker]

So the devs have increased mob saves to PK/FOD. Can't see the point myself but /meh.

What's getting me is that I simply cannot believe that the dev's time and our (the customers') money has been put into making a change as pointless as this, stopping latecomers getting chests.

I find it unbelievable that Turbine could not find better use for those resources - instead of new content we get a harder grind for the stuff we already have.

/stunned

As you have said several times we've missed your point...let me address this one directly...

It was an exploit. It was fixed. You don't think fixing exploits is worth developer time. We do.

[Cold_Stele]

As you have said several times we've missed your point...let me address this one directly...

It was an exploit. It was fixed. You don't think fixing exploits is worth developer time. We do.

Going into a quest late and being killed by ellies is an exploit?

OK bud - report me. I'll pm you each and every day until you tell me stop to prove I wasn't banned.

But seriously - sure, previously, you could go in late and grab loot.

Who the hell cares?

I challenge you to find ONE SINGLE THREAD on these forums from players complaining about this.

ONE SINGLE THREAD.

No?

Conversely I can point you in the direction of dozens from players raising very valid issues that needed to be addressed.

Get a clue, eh?

[Gabrion]

LOL AT LEAST WE CAN SAY "EXPLOIT" NOW!!!

(not that it is related to this topic in any way, shape, or form)

On a more serious note are people really arguing the OP? The point has nothing to do with the changes themselves, or whether or not people think they are "OK." Heck they may even be a slight improvement. The point is that there are about a bajillion other things wrong with this game that should be fixed first.

What's even more ironic is people arguing it was probably a simple change, taking 30 minutes or something. These are the same people who say "you dont know what kind of programming that would take!" when we ask for very very simple game improvements. Amazing.

[Deathseeker]

Going into a quest late and being killed by ellies is an exploit?

OK bud - report me. I'll pm you each and every day until you tell me stop to prove I wasn't banned.

But seriously - sure, previously, you could go in late and grab loot.

Who the hell cares?

I challenge you to find ONE SINGLE THREAD on these forums from players complaining about this.

ONE SINGLE THREAD.

No?

Conversely I can point you in the direction of dozens from players raising very valid issues that needed to be addressed.

Get a clue, eh?

It's an exploit in the sense that its taking advantage of a design flaw in order to get the end chest. I will give on your point that I don't think it raises to the level of an "exploit" in the sense that its worth reporting/banning/etc. Wasnt my intent in the use of the word, fair enough. But it's still a cheesy way to take advantage of a flaw to get the raid loot. They fixed it. You don't think it warranted it. Others disagree and are expressing such to you.

I'll even go a step further...I'd like to see them eventually do something to discourage recalling for mana. The xp penalty is fine until cap, then it becomes a non-penalty. Of course a huge portion of the population would disagree with that as a minimum a waste of priority, and many would go further and say it hurts the game. I actually find it a poor design choice and would like to see it changed. By the way, even with that view I still do when asked in Raids as I dont' want to force my view on others in those cases.

Point is, the developers will do lots of things that some like while others dont'. In this particular case, you don't like the use of effort and posted. I think it's fine and replied. We'll agree to disagree.

[Cold_Stele]

They fixed it. You don't think it warranted it. Others disagree and are expressing such to you.

np bro, it's cool to set your stall out and agree to disagree.

But for the record, it's not that I don't THINK it's warranted.

I plain just don't CARE if it's warranted.

Like Gabrion says -

On a more serious note are people really arguing the OP? The point has nothing to do with the changes themselves, or whether or not people think they are "OK." Heck they may even be a slight improvement. The point is that there are about a bajillion other things wrong with this game that should be fixed first.