Intimidate Broken?

[Kadagan]

Xyzzy is Gargantuan.

Secretly buffing our enemies is secretly weakening us in the fight = stealth nerf

[Solmage]

Secretly buffing our enemies is secretly weakening us in the fight = stealth nerf

The hound has always been gargantuan.

However, I am a bit ...concerned, about the alleged increase in the hounds intimidation DC, and would like a confirmation if some dev has time on whether this was changed or not, intentionally or not, etc.

Alternatively, if a player could kindly post screenshots of a "flooring it before with a roll of x and a modifier of Y" and another screenshot with failing it now, that would also help.

[kruggar]

could be a bug and u are reducing the player skill AND aplying the size again in the DC of the Enemy ?!

if the only change was the size being applied as a penaltie in player skill could need to check if the same is not entering as a bonus on the enemie resistance.

its the only explanation for the increase in the dificulties, or those enemies have all those HDs..

anyone stoped to make the inverse account.. based on the DC we found here whats the HDs of little doggie?

[Zaodon]

Xyzzy is Gargantuan.

That isn't right.

She should be merely large. There is no way in Hell (pun intended) she is Gargantuan.

[T-Town_Titan]

the DC has changed or her size classification...ran hound last night..never had problem on hard unless i roll 6 or less...now...roll 20's and miss on my dwarf intimitank

[Naash]

Large - 16 ft.
Huge - 32 ft.
Gargantuan - 64 ft.

Has to be at least 64 ft long...

Either his graphical representation is wrong... or his classification is.

I just don't see it. Sorry. Velah is gargantuan. The Hound? Not so much. To be completely honest, I thought Huge was a bit of a stretch. I was estimating him as approximately 20 ft long... definately not 64.

I don't see the Hound being 11 humans laying head to toe long.

You may be generous at 20ft,I'd guess her size at about a small pickup truck(Ranger,S10 etc.).

[lobode]

The -12(-16 for halflings) has always been there. The change is that its almost imposible to intim her now because they raised the DC check for her. Premod 8 on normal and hard with a 49 unbuffed intim I was able to keep her intimidated pretty easy after all the buffs. Now I can not get her on a 20. So they must have added quite a bit on to it.

The messed up thing is that this nerf doesn't really make the quest any harder or make you use different tactics. It just makes intim less useful.

[Blazer]

It just makes intim less useful.

Which is rather funny to me since they made noise about the two raids in Mod 7 being great for intimidate builds. I haven't done VoD since Mod 8 came out, I wonder if the DC there has changed as well.

[minivanman]

I built my intimitank back in June of '06. He was still a 28 point build. It wasn't until recently that he was sought out as a necessary member of a party. If they nerfed it, I'll be fairly disappointed. I'll get over it though.

When used correctly it is one of the most potent "skills" in the game.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

The -12(-16 for halflings) has always been there. The change is that its almost imposible to intim her now because they raised the DC check for her. Premod 8 on normal and hard with a 49 unbuffed intim I was able to keep her intimidated pretty easy after all the buffs. Now I can not get her on a 20. So they must have added quite a bit on to it.

The messed up thing is that this nerf doesn't really make the quest any harder or make you use different tactics. It just makes intim less useful.

As of night before last, on normal...

I failed to intimidate her on a 13 (+44). Which means with the -12 size penalty, I was at a 56 intimidate, rolling a 13. I grabbed her on a 16. So that puts her mark at somewhere around the 71-73 range, counting in the size penalty.



I wasn't able to see any other rolls in between 13 and 16, so I can't narrow it down any further.

[Lawst]

As of night before last, on normal...

I failed to intimidate her on a 13 (+44).
So that puts her mark at somewhere around the 71-73 range, counting in the size penalty.

13+44 = 57

was in their tonight on Normal, my findings

7 (+51) Failed
8 (+51) Success

DC on intimidate is 59

[Osharan_Tregarth]

13+44 = 57

was in their tonight, my findings

7 (+51) Failed
8 (+51) Success

DC on intimidate is 59

Normal, hard, or elite?

[Osharan_Tregarth]

13+44 = 57

+12 size penalty. Means that on my 13+44 failure roll, I was sitting at an intimidate of 56, rolling a +13 to fail. So that dc was failing at a 69.

With your rolls to lock it down:

7 (+51) Failed
8 (+51) Success

DC on intimidate is 59

Means that the intimidator needs to have a 70 buffed up intimidate to grab the big doggie on a roll of a 1, yes?

[gfunk]

+12 size penalty. Means that on my 13+44 failure roll, I was sitting at an intimidate of 56, rolling a +13 to fail. So that dc was failing at a 69.

With your rolls to lock it down:


Means that the intimidator needs to have a 70 buffed up intimidate to grab the big doggie on a roll of a 1, yes?

sounds like the Hound is the new "cabal for one chest" of intimidating. My fighter has 46 standing intim (52 buffed), and didn't succeed ony any intim checks last night. Before mod 8 came out, i was doing fairly well on my intimidate checks (on normal).

I have all the fighter intim enhancements (plus 1 deneith enhancement), skill focus, least sentinal, 18 ranks, a head of good fortune, +2 cha (14 charisma) and a +13 item. For a fighter, that's quite alot of focus on intimidating.

In order to get to 60 intimidate (50% success) I need to replace my +13 with a +15, get a shroud cha skills 6 item, and get another 4 charisma points.

to get to a fail on 1 level, you would have to pretty much be a dedicated intimidator and make alot of sacrifices elsewhere in your build.

[Emili]

Sorry, that's total b.s.

You need to patch it so she is merely large. There is no way in Hell (pun intended) she is Gargantuan.

She may look small but she's a behumat at heart Here puppy, puppy ... she's a sweetheart indeed.

Then again she can be under guise and much larger than life in reality