TWF and monks.

[baddax]

I see alot of monks switching to twf feats prior to mod 8. Is it possible that TWF feats are a class granted feat ie. ranger? If so would this mean you will have to swap them out again at a later date? It doesnt make alot of sense that it would not be class granted as 2/3 of your entire weapon selection will require its use. The exception being the QS, which as everyone knows is not the most efficeint of the Vast arsenal of monk weapons. Also the monk is already a very feat intensive class. I think many monks will be hard pressed to add these 3 feats without some major changes or significantly weaking the overall build.
The reason why im asking is because i havent swapped mine out yet for this reason. Have the DV's specifically stated somewhere that it will NOT be clas granted?

[Angelus_dead]

Have the DV's specifically stated somewhere that it will NOT be clas granted?

No.

In addition, they haven't stated rogues won't be granted Polar Ray.

[Inspire]

Monks get a free feat at levels 1, 2, and 6... how do you find them "hard pressed"? No they will not be getting the 2 weapon fighting line for free.

[baddax]

No polar ray?!?!? now i have to delte my rogue thanks for nothing turbine!

[baddax]

Monks get a free feat at levels 1, 2, and 6... how do you find them "hard pressed"? No they will not be getting the 2 weapon fighting line for free.

1)Ive always wonder how the level 6 feat is considered a "free feat" as you are free to choose harmonious balance or inevitable dominion.

2)monks have 2 other monk only feats that are not "required" but are important to a monk build. deflect arrows and stunning fist.

3) By my math that leaves 1 "free" feat. If you go dodge, mobility, SA,CE, WW as a standard build then i guess you would be right as its the only feat left for a pure monk who does not cross class or is not a human.

4) So with you 1 remaining free feat that only leaves a few choices improved crit? why bother their crit range sucks either way. Toughness? To squishy wouldnt really help. I guess you are right they really arent that hard pressed for feats anyways. i'll just use it for twf, and wait for itw when mod 9 hits and maybe spalsh some fighter for greater. Thanks for clearing that up for me

[Angelus_dead]

1)Ive always wonder how the level 6 feat is considered a "free feat" as you are free to choose harmonious balance or inevitable dominion.

No. Harmonious Balance is level 3. The level 6 feat is from the normal monk bonus list. The 3 best choices are PA, SF, and (to most people) Toughness. CE, Finesse, and Dodge are also OK. Those free other slots for other feats.

2)monks have 2 other monk only feats that are not "required" but are important to a monk build. deflect arrows and stunning fist.

Lol, deflect arrows!?

3) By my math that leaves 1 "free" feat. If you go dodge, mobility, SA,CE, WW as a standard build

Lol, Mobility as standard? Whirlwind?

[baddax]

No. Harmonious Balance is level 3. The level 6 feat is from the normal monk bonus list. The 3 best choices are PA, SF, and (to most people) Toughness. CE, Finesse, and Dodge are also OK. Those free other slots for other feats.


Lol, deflect arrows!?


Lol, Mobility as standard? Whirlwind?

Both feats are monk feats. Did not say which was worth anything. So yes Stunning fist is a good selection for monks.

[baddax]

No. Harmonious Balance is level 3. The level 6 feat is from the normal monk bonus list. The 3 best choices are PA, SF, and (to most people) Toughness. CE, Finesse, and Dodge are also OK. Those free other slots for other feats.


Lol, deflect arrows!?


Lol, Mobility as standard? Whirlwind?

So give me your feats as a standard monk build and please show me your "3 free feats"

[Desteria]

I'm not a pure monk BUT i had to take feats to get tempest and becasue i'm kama fighting TWD works I hav eextra feats the free ranger feats are balaced by hvaign to take mobility and SA for tempest

BUT i'll do up a pure 16 TWF monk here so there is no confution... I"ll also assume none human

lv1- Dodge
monk1- Toughness(becasue you can't take the BAB1 feats at level 1)
monk2- Weapon Finness
lv3- TWF
monk3- Path of harmonius balance.
monk6- POWER ATTACK
lv6- COMBAT EXPERTISE
lv9- ITWF
lv12- IC: SLASH
lv15- GTWF

There feel free to swap toughness or IC or even dodge for other feats to flavor or drop one fo the stances i stuck them both in to show how there is tones of room.

*EDIT* the 3 free feats are the monk1, monk2, monk6 feats i dotn really coutn the path as a feat as it;s just a choice of this or that.

[Inspire]

So give me your feats as a standard monk build and please show me your "3 free feats"

My halfling monk, Untouchable... his feats are found here.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=147606

[Vivanto]

So give me your feats as a standard monk build and please show me your "3 free feats"

So far my plans for a dps monk:
1 : TWF
monk1 : PA
monk2 : SF
3 : Cleave
6 : Stunning blow
monk6 : Toughness
9 : ITWF
12 : IC
15 : GTWF

[Inspire]

1)Ive always wonder how the level 6 feat is considered a "free feat" as you are free to choose harmonious balance or inevitable dominion.

Try again... Thats level 3.

2)monks have 2 other monk only feats that are not "required" but are important to a monk build. deflect arrows and stunning fist.

Deflect arrows FTW!!!...

3) By my math that leaves 1 "free" feat. If you go dodge, mobility, SA,CE, WW as a standard build then i guess you would be right as its the only feat left for a pure monk who does not cross class or is not a human.

Whirlwind... why? for some flashy graphic?

4) So with you 1 remaining free feat that only leaves a few choices improved crit? why bother their crit range sucks either way. Toughness? To squishy wouldnt really help. I guess you are right they really arent that hard pressed for feats anyways. i'll just use it for twf, and wait for itw when mod 9 hits and maybe spalsh some fighter for greater. Thanks for clearing that up for me

Dont even know where to begin here... why did you even roll a monk? I think you should reroll your monk into something you find useful.
As for the rest of us... we'll bring our squishy, terrible crit range, and obviously gimped monks into the new content. Cheers.

[Shaamis]

2)monks have 2 other monk only feats that are not "required" but are important to a monk build. deflect arrows and stunning fist.

Deflect arrows sucks, if you are up against more than three archers, you will get pelted period. better to have a good AC and more HP.

Stunning Fist is negligeable, find yourself some gloves of weighted, and pound away on them. I have +1 flaming of weighted 4% gloves and stun just about every enemy I come up against, and I dont have to be a twitch-skill master.

So, with those two feats, either pick the TWF feats you want, or use them on feats you would otherwise spend your general feats on, so you can get the TWF feats you want.

[Angelus_dead]

Have the DV's specifically stated somewhere that it will NOT be clas granted?

Seriously, people have logged monks onto Risia. There's no bonus feats.