Sequells' Proper Stat Distribution Build Warehouse

[Sequell]

Looks like Sigtrent could use an extra hand at some builds!

I have been on the forums for a long while, and I really enjoy building new characters. Since it seems there are quite a few people here lately that want builds and I am quite bored from our content that it is only right for me to offer my build services to anyone out there that is brave enough to give me a shot.

I will give full explanations on why stats are the way they are as well as give proper breakdowns for AC, Saves, etc. I will do my best to build whatever your heart desires from the beginning 28 pointer to a 32 point with a set of +2 tomes to start with.

If you are on Ghallanda you may know some of my Characters. Hopefully my names will be recognizeable and offer some sort of creditability to my character building skills.

Bowe - 9 Ranger / 5 Rogue / 2 Fighter (GTWF Finesse) Drow
Dempsey - 7 Fighter / 6 Ranger / 3 Paladin (AC Intimi-Tank) Human
Sequell - 16 Wizard (CC Buff Oriented) Drow
Thaximus - 15 Fighter (retired) Dwarf
Waaylon - 16 Bard (Warchanter) Dwarf
Meryle - 6 Rogue / 3 Fighter Dwarf

All I need to know now is who will be the first to request something?

[Leyoni]

Give me an elf paladin/sorcerer with at least 6 paladin levels for the raise dead enhancement. Paladin levels should come first.

[Sequell]

Do you have 32 point builds?
Do you want a Elf or Drow Elf?
Do you want to be Melee or Casting focused?
Do you have an affinity for AC if it is possible?

I will see what I can come up with while I wait for answers to these.

[Leyoni]

32 point build, no tomes stockpiled, elf not drow elf (drow don't get the basic/advanced beliefs that give raise dead/resurrection).

AC seems a waste of effort as will probably never exceed 30 w/o too much sacrifice but who wouldn't want AC?. Caster focus, prefer only 6 levels of paladin and rest sorcerer.

[Lorichie]

Lets see:

Build me a rogue:

350 hp
saves 30 plus self buffed
adequate skills for every chest except "that one"
can self heal via umd or dmarks
60 ac self buffed
intimidate (do not worry about elite harry and sally)
-all must be before raid items- hp might be a stretch, get me close

twf with power attack is a must
do whatever you want with whatever you want, no raid items or plus three tomes.
(multiclassing is ok)
R

[Sequell]

Lets see:

Build me a rogue:

350 hp
saves 30 plus self buffed
adequate skills for every chest except "that one"
can self heal via umd or dmarks
60 ac self buffed
intimidate (do not worry about elite harry and sally)
-all must be before raid items- hp might be a stretch, get me close

twf with power attack is a must
do whatever you want with whatever you want, no raid items or plus three tomes.
(multiclassing is ok)
R

Here is as close as I can get to your requests. I will add gear to reflect final numbers below. I tried to keep tomes and such to a minimum but once again this was a tough build for sure.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 2.96
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Level 16 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(3 Fighter \ 3 Paladin \ 10 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 229
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 21
Will: 9

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 16)           (Level 16)
Strength             15                 15                   16
Dexterity            17                 23                   26
Constitution         10                 11                   12
Intelligence         12                 13                   13
Wisdom                9                 10                   10
Charisma             12                 13                   14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 2

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 16)          (Level 16)
Balance               7                 27                   31
Bluff                 1                  2                    2
Concentration         0                  1                    1
Diplomacy             1                  2                    2
Disable Device        5                 20                   20
Haggle                1                  2                    2
Heal                 -1                  0                    0
Hide                  3                  8                    8
Intimidate            5                 21                   22
Jump                  6                  7                    7
Listen               -1                  0                    0
Move Silently         3                  8                    8
Open Lock             7                 27                   27
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                  1                    1
Search                5                 20                   22
Spot                  3                  4                    4
Swim                  2                  3                    3
Tumble                7                 13.5                 13.5
Use Magic Device      5                 21                   21

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost IV
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Giant Dodger I
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness I
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness II
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness III
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness IV
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

AC breakdown is as follows:

10 Base
10 +5 Mith BP
10 Dex Bonus From 2 Dwarf, 1 Fighter Armor Mastery Enhancements, and a Daggertooth Belt
7 +5 Mith Heavy Shield
5 Combat Expertise
5 Protection Item
3 Barkskin pot
2 Aura
2 Chaos Guards
1 Armor Ritual
1 Shield Ritual
1 Haste Pot
1 Dodge
--------------
58 Self Buffed in Intimi-Tank mode
-8 Shield with Ritual
---
50 Dual Weilding DPS mode

Since you asked for a build with no raid loot I fell short of your target self-buffed 60 AC, but it will be easily attainable with just a +4 AC insight weapon. That isn't even counting other attainable raid loot.

58 Self Buffed
+4 Insight Shroud Weapon
+3 Chattering Ring
---
65 With current End-game raid loot

You will be able to UMD wands quite easily.

25 Base
+5 Skill Boost (It will not be needed for traps)
+4 Greter Hero from Gird
+3 Cartouche from Deleras
---
37 UMD that is quite easily reached, but could be taken further with a Tier III shroud neck or googles.
+6 Shroud Item
---
43 UMD

Saves were a tough bill to fill as well couldn't make them to 30 plus but got them respectable at least, and if you can't find a +5 resistance item +4's are easy to come by.

Base
14 Fortitude +3 for stat item +4 Greater Hero +5 Resistance +3 Cha bonus from stat item= 29
21 Reflex +3 for stat item +4 Greater Hero +5 Resistance +3 Cha bonus from stat item= 36
9 Will +3 for stat item +4 Greater Hero +5 Resistance +3 Cha bonus from stat item= 24

Hitpoints aren't a very big concern of mine personally because of the AC. I play a high AC build with 338HP and don't have any trouble at all.

229 Base
24 Con Item (I can't remember for sure what +6 Stat items give)
30 Greater False Life
20 Draconic Vitality
----
303 Total before any Shroud item which could result in another 45 Hitpoints.

Hope this is something that you may use. Let me know what you think.

Seq

[Mechfol]

I plan to start a new toon with my new Mod 8 slot. I would like a WF Wizard/Rogue. Appx 13/3 Wiz/Rog. Would like to full trap smithing, 7th level spells, able to use Tenser's when low on spell points and swing some melee/debuffing weapons. 32 pt, +1 Str, Dex and Con tomes in the bank if needed. I have penned this build a bit and would like to see another point of view. Oh, include some spell concepts as well. And make it red...or blue.


Thank You

[Leyoni]

Here is as close as I can get to your requests. I will add gear to reflect final numbers below. I tried to keep tomes and such to a minimum but once again this was a tough build for sure.

So, I should have posted second so that I got better service? Where's my build?

[Sequell]

So, I should have posted second so that I got better service? Where's my build?

Sorry some builds are easier for me to put together than others. Yours is gonna take me a bit, please bear with me I will get it done.

[Leyoni]

Just messing with you. I know I'm asking for a lot. I've tried some ideas and haven't been completely satisfied.

Your builds do come with a satisfaction guarantee don't they?

[Sequell]

Just messing with you. I know I'm asking for a lot. I've tried some ideas and haven't been completely satisfied.

Your builds do come with a satisfaction guarantee don't they?

As long as you think the builds are usefull and they help you with your new character is all im looking to do. Trying to share my 2 cp with the community.

[Vaarsuvius]

I would like a human monk that only uses unarmed combat perhaps twf since it will be improved in mod 8.

I would also like to max out improved recovery monk and human to max self sufficiency

I have access to 32pt builds and +1 tomes np but +2 tomes are hard to come by for me although not impossible.


Thanks in Advance


V

[Verlock]

Hey i got 3 builds i want i want a dwarf TWF cleric hp 350 min TWF id like to keep wis up high as it can be as i like the death spells on the THF cleric i got atm with max wis and the other build i want is a TWF halfling batman i dont care about but 4 ranks in all rouge skills but max umd and intim and healing marks last build is a dwarven TWF bard max DPS max str you can do what ever pulls DPS on that one oh ya one last thing not the biggest fan of monk for the clr but if the build looks good with monk that works

[ShadowFox1978]

You might take a look at the build you posted for the intim-rogue, and crunch the numbers as a Ranger/monk/rogue. You may find all numbers are superior except possibly the will save(which should still be mid 20's). You will be able to fit GTWF into the build. GTWF is necessary especially on a non-tempest. You may also find that you can fit CE into the build, allowing you to break the 60 AC mark when AC is essential, without giving up dps for a sheild.

[Leyoni]

You might take a look at the build you posted for the intim-rogue, and crunch the numbers as a Ranger/monk/rogue.

I followed that combo with Cratesmasher and left rogue at just 1 level. I'm not usually feeling any pain handling the DD/search piece as long as I stick to quests at/near my level. Cratesmasher is wf and maybe not the optimal race for this. But, I don't have any trouble hitting 45 AC self-buffed at L12 and will top out around 67 AC self-buffed when I get the chance to add all the uber raid gear. Of course, you could argue that Cratesmasher isn't really a rogue but a ranger -- clearly the case based on icon.

The bigger challenge is in the saves. Those will not approach 30+ except in reflex saves.

This is where paladin levels really come into play. It is almost necessary in order to get the saves to where the requester wants them.

BTW, where's my build?

[ShadowFox1978]

I followed that combo with Cratesmasher and left rogue at just 1 level. I'm not usually feeling any pain handling the DD/search piece as long as I stick to quests at/near my level. Cratesmasher is wf and maybe not the optimal race for this. But, I don't have any trouble hitting 45 AC self-buffed at L12 and will top out around 67 AC self-buffed when I get the chance to add all the uber raid gear. Of course, you could argue that Cratesmasher isn't really a rogue but a ranger -- clearly the case based on icon.

The bigger challenge is in the saves. Those will not approach 30+ except in reflex saves.

This is where paladin levels really come into play. It is almost necessary in order to get the saves to where the requester wants them.

BTW, where's my build?

Except, he didn't reach the 30+ range with saves either, and the monk/ranger/rogue has better saves better ac, better dps.

[Leyoni]

Well, I suppose you could always start your own thread -- Why everyone else is wrong and I'm right, the ultimate build thread....

Claims of better AC, dps, etc. are assertions that you might be hard pressed to support in fact. They sound good and get tossed about an awful lot here in the forums. But, for the most part they are false.

Yes, it is possible to build a ranger with better dps than a fighter or rogue. But, it is probable that the build will not have better AC.

It is possible to build a ranger with better AC than a fighter or rogue. But, it is probable that the build will not have better dps.

It is virtually impossible to build a ranger with better saves than a paladin but if someone somehow succeeded then it is almost certain that both AC and dps would suffer.

The challenge is to build a synergistic character that combines all of these in a reasonable package. The result is a character that is a bit less in every area but that is still viable and productive.

My experience with Cratesmasher demonstrates to me (at least) that class and race decisions play a significant role in the final outcome. Like others I might have recommended something different for the intimirogue build.

But, it isn't my thread so I won't hijack it. Neither will I critique the OP's build recommendation. It isn't necessary as his value as a build expert will be validated w/o need for criticism. Either he will come up with creative and viable build solutions or he won't. Either way, it will be clear enough as we read what he posts.

I welcome your disagreement and any attempt to support your point of view. But move it to a separate thread as it isn't right to derail this one.

Edit: BTW, I'm still waiting....

[Daedalis]

Hi Sequell,

I'm venturing into the want to do Massive damage . So I'm Looking for a 32 Pt build or Drow that is an OTWF. I would like to have a respectable AC...meaning that at lvl 16 a 1st level kobold can't hit me lol. I have a guildie that boost a 50 TWF standing AC....not bad for not having armor or shield on.

1. Race (any)
2. Class (any - single or multiclass go to town)
3. Weapons of choice - Longswords & Warhammers (I have a ton of the "top 5" longswords just wasting a way) but if you think that dual welding khopeshes is the way to go for pure DPS....go for it. I need to be able to confirm crits 95% of the time. I have a +2 vorpal LS and a +1 vorpal LS that I plan on going to town on mobs that it is easier to vorp than it is to DPS.
4. Armor (up to you...if icy rainments and AC bracers make it work then go for it, or if Mith Chain shirt.....I'm open for suggestions) Presently I do have +6 AC bracers, but nothing higher.

- Goal: OTWF with great DPS.
- Goal: Respectable AC going TWF, but if getting slaughtered can back down to one weapon and a mith heavy shield..but would rather keep the DPS going
- Goal: Evasion - with nice saves (20's area would be nice for will and fort, but the higher the reflex the better for me)
- Goal: No +2 tomes - actually I have one +2 tome and it is wis...so that would be the only one available at time of creation. +1 tomes easy enough to get.
- Goal: These are minor side items but always fun to have: UMD - my intimitank has it and I LOVE it...so if it can be fit in great being able to use RR items and wands/scrolls is awesome....if not no worries.

Go to town ....if AC is a problem....see what can be done about increasing HP....it might be the difference in getting my *** handed to me or out living the competition lol.

[ShadowFox1978]

Wasn't trying to jack the thread, was just offering a suggestion to help him meet the requesters stipulations better. Not hard pressed to prove, but I don't have to prove it.

Unless someone wants me to prove it. Send me a pm and I will pm you back, so I don't hijack the thread further.

[Thriand]

Build me a monk that is definitively better than another class with a splash of monk.