Warpriest 67 A/C 56 Intimidate

[Durack]

OOOK...

First, are you seriously talking about using combat expertise on a cleric/tank? Let me explain something.

Buffed 67 AC will stop about 70-75% of attacks from mobs where intimitanks of are valuable(hound//VoD elite). Which means your going to have to heal yourself at some point. Which means you drop CE, cast a heal(which for you is far less efficient then a 15-16 cleric) then put CE back up, and have a short period where your unable to cast spells.

Second, Your SP are 1025. Which is a rather slim pool to rely on as a battle cleric if you intend to actually heal effectively.

Your DPS is non-existant.


So in the end this build has exceptional intimidate, and then poor tanking AC, poor casting, poor melee damage, and poor healing. I don't see the benefit.

Hmm your joking right?? Having healed most intim a tanks on suulo with comparable if not 2 more a/c the damage that the character takes is equal..Red named Orthons can't even hit my guy.. and I think you must be running with some gimped IntimAtank then cause on average the crits are well in the 3 digits.

. Also you are missing the entire point with the a/c I don't even need to be healed.. and trust me the a/c is very very viable....But then again you have your opinion...


Show me your toons picture of your a/c so I will know you infact play an a/c toon and then we can talk about getting hit ..

Tell ya what I'll Fraps (video) the next time I'm, main tank on suulo and you can watch my health bar yourself... and the #'s from dps if you dont think the cleric dosen't have any...

[alchilito]

it looks like a great build.... to scare the hell out of pugs !!!!


nice job man

[nbhs275]

Hmm your joking right?? Having healed most intim a tanks on suulo with comparable if not 2 more a/c the damage that the character takes is equal..Red named Orthons can't even hit my guy.. and I think you must be running with some gimped IntimAtank then cause on average the crits are well in the 3 digits.

. Also you are missing the entire point with the a/c I don't even need to be healed.. and trust me the a/c is very very viable....But then again you have your opinion...


Show me your toons picture of your a/c so I will know you infact play an a/c toon and then we can talk about getting hit ..

Tell ya what I'll Fraps (video) the next time I'm, main tank on suulo and you can watch my health bar yourself... and the #'s from dps if you dont think the cleric dosen't have any...

ok, HOW would you be hitting for an average crit of 120-130 with CE running? are you counting all the little acid/holy from a mineral? because if thats the case, my rangers rapier crits for about 120-130, and his offhand pick can his 220-240ish.

Im running shroud with my ranger, and right now im looking at a 66 TWF AC against harry, and hes still hitting me more then 5% of the time. With a shield i can break 70 against the hound and in VoD. Which I know for a fact isnt a 5% hit chance on elite for either.

For some reason, my current computer will not take screenshots, so i have to do some work arounds, but ill get you a visual confirmation of what i've written here.

And in the end, no matter what your AC or other stats, you WILL have to heal or be healed because there is always that 5% chance of an auto hit. Nevermind the fact you don't have evasion, which stops a huge amount of damage from happening.

[Durack]

oh, also you could do this type of build far more effectively with 1 monk and 2 rogue levels, evasion, more AC, just as high an intimidate, and UMD, tumble, jump.

Or a monk or rogue mix paladin, or monk/fighter, or monk/rogue/ranger, or any of a dozen other combinations.

are you trying to sell us battlecleric's on ranger builds, dps, or evasion..if so I think you are in the wrong class section... Self Buffing tank's here think you need to take your nature walking treefriend to another class section and politic for it there...

Tell ya what post your builds in the appropiate class section and I'll come over there and forum troll your posts

I look forward to seeing your builds posted..Until then..move along

wait a sec your not even on my server..discussion over.. I conceede your ranger rocks.. Happy??

[Grenfell]

Like the build quite a bit -- although, as the creator of the first build named "warpriest" way back in the day, I get a little twinge, hehe, but who cares about that?

My only question is whether you really need Bullheaded and Shield Mastery on this build, especially at the endgame.

Bullheaded made sense for fighter intimitanks because of their low Will save; I'm thinking as a base-cleric tank, that isn't a problem for you.

Shield Mastery, which provides additional DR, also seems unnecessary when you're a self-healing tank. What's another 3 damage taken while shield blocking when you've got Quickened Heal?

If you need the Intimidate boost, I'm thinking Skill Focus: Intimidate > Bullheaded.

Shield Mastery, however, can be swapped out for something more useful later on in life. Maybe take Dodge in that slot, and convert the Dodge @ lvl 3 into Empower Healing for max Heal, or Maximize for better BB action (grabs aggro!).

Even with only 11 Cleric, you should be able to get off 300ish Heals with Empowered Healing; not sure how many HP's you're running, but going from low-to-full in one cast has to be an advantage.

Finally, seeing as how you've eaten five +2 tomes... why not a +2 Int tome @ lvl 2 as well so you can get another skill point? (I know, you probably already leveled this toon to 16, but for a *build*, it's something to recommend.)

/gren

[Dexxaan]

The main problem I see is that Warpriest is a cool name but in our DDO community BattleCleric is widely known...and it´s expected for a Battle-Cleric to be able to perform healing duties....


This build is not even a Battle-Cleric - he´s more like a healing capable, buff capable Intimi-Tank.

Played as such, he´s a formidable build. (Although I´d swap 2 feats in a heartbeat for DPS purposes)

Played as a Battle-Cleric? (and party expectations being so....) Bad idea.

[PurdueDave]

Yeah, I agree that it's not really a battle cleric.

I like the build, though. I know the concept has been floating around for a while and it's something that probably crossed every not-so-squishy cleric's mind that first started using quickened heal ("Hey...I'm pretty tough to bring down.") It's just nice to see something spelled out, at least as a straw man to base discussions on.

Nice job, OP.

[Grenfell]

The main problem I see is that Warpriest is a cool name but in our DDO community BattleCleric is widely known...and it´s expected for a Battle-Cleric to be able to perform healing duties....


This build is not even a Battle-Cleric - he´s more like a healing capable, buff capable Intimi-Tank.

Played as such, he´s a formidable build. (Although I´d swap 2 feats in a heartbeat for DPS purposes)

Played as a Battle-Cleric? (and party expectations being so....) Bad idea.

That's just a naming convention -- I would classify this build as one of the better examples of what I call "Templars". Holy Knights, if you will. I imagine the OP wouldn't play this as a "battle-CLERIC" but more as a "BATTLE-sorta-cleric".

Plus, I think by swapping in Empowered Healing for Shield Mastery, I see no reason why this guy couldn't be main healer even in raids (at greater expense, because relying more on scrolls/elixirs due to lower SP pool).

/gren

[Dexxaan]

That's just a naming convention -- I would classify this build as one of the better examples of what I call "Templars". Holy Knights, if you will. I imagine the OP wouldn't play this as a "battle-CLERIC" but more as a "BATTLE-sorta-cleric".

Plus, I think by swapping in Empowered Healing for Shield Mastery, I see no reason why this guy couldn't be main healer even in raids (at greater expense, because relying more on scrolls/elixirs due to lower SP pool).

/gren

/Agreed.

Thats why in a prior post I stated "Holy Tactics Warrior" ... and although not incapable of being main healer these builds are not optimal Party healers for the abundant and needy "Tanks" with umbilical cords to a Healbot.

[Anthios888]

Maximize is sexier than empower healing

[Grenfell]

Maximize is sexier than empower healing

Well... that's because you like spamming Mass CMW in combat. But your build isn't this one. For one thing, the SP pool is so much smaller on this build than on yours. Maximized MCMW is more expensive than Emp Healinged Heal.

And this build, IMHO, isn't about keeping OTHER people alive, but keeping himself alive.

Hence, Emp Healing > Maximize on this build, IMHO.

/gren

[Anthios888]

Okay, I thought about it in class - his heal is too gimpy to work without empower healing, so empower healing beats maximize here since he's probably only casting spells to top himself off. And sure enough when I return, here is Grenfell to pwn me on the matter.

(I still cry to think of the loss of blade barriers, though)

[nbhs275]

are you trying to sell us battlecleric's on ranger builds, dps, or evasion..if so I think you are in the wrong class section... Self Buffing tank's here think you need to take your nature walking treefriend to another class section and politic for it there...

Tell ya what post your builds in the appropiate class section and I'll come over there and forum troll your posts

I look forward to seeing your builds posted..Until then..move along

wait a sec your not even on my server..discussion over.. I conceede your ranger rocks.. Happy??

Well, i was using my ranger to counter your comment basically saying i wouldnt know what im talking about. I do.

I also have a capped battle cleric that i've been playing since mod 2. Can you say the same? are you able to be the sole healer in a party, or one of 2 in shroud? and still lead in kills?

You've made a cleric that isnt an effective healer. Which simply put is a poor poor use of the class. Not only that, but you've made a half-assed intimitank out of it. Your intimidate is fine, well above the necessary cutoff, but your AC isnt enough for your intended play style, your DPS numbers make you unable to adjust your use in a party, and your other defences(evasion, fast cast healing, immunities) are non existant.

All of that aside, i would never consider taking this build along as an intimitank, simply because there are SOOO many other ways to do it better. I would never tak you along as a cleric, or battle cleric, because there are SOOO many ways to do it better. This build simply doesnt stack up to others to make it worthwhile in any group slot.

OH and i thought this was funny as all hell

Now you tell me if this cleric is gonna kick some ass.....

How do you intend to kick ass when your standing there shield blocking?

[Amabel]

For some reason, my current computer will not take screenshots

LMFAO

Come back when it does.

Nice build OP. An idea I've had myself with rogue instead of fighter. I like it.

As for monk levels, I hope they fix monks to get no AC bonus at all when not centered.

[nbhs275]

Well... that's because you like spamming Mass CMW in combat. But your build isn't this one. For one thing, the SP pool is so much smaller on this build than on yours. Maximized MCMW is more expensive than Emp Healinged Heal.

And this build, IMHO, isn't about keeping OTHER people alive, but keeping himself alive.

Hence, Emp Healing > Maximize on this build, IMHO.

/gren

funny part about that is that every time he goes to heal himself, his ac drops 7 points, and he drops to a 60 AC. Which against suul elite, is about a 75% chance to be hit. Which means in the time it takes him to cast the heal and get the CE back up, he will need another heal. Activating CE means you cannot cast for 30 seconds, which means you would have to go 30 seconds of fighting without needing to heal to prevent death. which considering suul hits a 67 about 45-50% of the time means you most likely will NOT be able to do it without someone else actively healing you.

Oh, and your crits are doing 3 digits? really? Well lets think about your DPS here.

with a greensteel DA, your base is 2d8+5, Add in a Divine favor(+3), your str bonus (+8) Your damage would be 18-32, and 54-96 on a crit. Pitiful. Especially when you consider that my ranger does 110+ crits with a rapier, or my battle cleric does over 200 properly buffed with his greensteel.

[CSFurious]

be a pallie

It's a self buffing intimAtank bro..you shouldn't be Mass Healing anyone... Think of the build being played akin to a pally.....

[nbhs275]

LMFAO

Come back when it does.

Nice build OP. An idea I've had myself with rogue instead of fighter. I like it.

As for monk levels, I hope they fix monks to get no AC bonus at all when not centered.

did you actually read the sentence following that? Im not making an excuse, as i've demenstrated before the problem, and have also used work around multiple times, which basically involves an actual picture of my screen.

Did you read the build? Did you ask any questions? Did you think about some of the stuff involved with how a build like this would work? I personally am not about giving praise over things i havent read, or things that dont deserve praise. To post a build requiring high end gear, and stating its purpose to intimitank high end elite content, then not delivering is a pointless build. You don't have enough AC to make the base concept of the build more effective, or as effecitve as other real builds out there.

[Amabel]

He's posted a build that will do the job and that he says he's doing the job with. It's innovative and doesn't involve the usual b/s +15 skill item, bard song, pocket pali, moons aligned stuff most of the builds posted rely on. Anyone could realistically build this. The only tough item to get is the chattering ring.

Is it min/max for the job? No. Did he ever claim it was? No.

There was some constructive criticism. I agree that CE isn't synergistic with the build for instance.

But I'm sick of the idiots who get on and pan a build just because it's not min/max cookie cutter. And to allege that you can't take a screenshot? I call ******** on that.

As I said - nice build OP. It looks like it'd be fun to play and just because it won't hit the same AC as a fully kitted out pali/fighter/dwarf intimitank or a TWF monk/tempest ranger doesn't mean it's not a good build.

Ignore the idiots and keep the interesting builds coming please.

[nbhs275]

He's posted a build that will do the job and that he says he's doing the job with. It's innovative and doesn't involve the usual b/s +15 skill item, bard song, pocket pali, moons aligned stuff most of the builds posted rely on. Anyone could realistically build this. The only tough item to get is the chattering ring.
Really? I don't think all builds rely on "extreme items" unless you count chattering, which all AC builds use. 15 skill items dont really make a difference over a 13. One way or the other its not going make or break your ability.
But I'm sick of the idiots who get on and pan a build just because it's not min/max cookie cutter. And to allege that you can't take a screenshot? I call ******** on that. Im not voting for cookie cuter, im voting for better. Unique is nice, but only when it provides a pro/con compared to similiar builds.

As I said - nice build OP. It looks like it'd be fun to play and just because it won't hit the same AC as a fully kitted out pali/fighter/dwarf intimitank or a TWF monk/tempest ranger doesn't mean it's not a good build.

Ignore the idiots and keep the interesting builds coming please.

And no, i can take screen shots. But they are saved as blank screens. Wanna see one?



Not very interesting is it? Because of this, i need to use my camera to take a literal picture, then transfer it to my pc, then upload it. Takes longer, especially when i need to find said camera. And those pics end up looking like this

[Durack]

And no, i can take screen shots. But they are saved as blank screens. Wanna see one?

hey junior give mom back her camera and come back when your savy enough to post actual screenshots with the big boys..

You know from your posts I'm wondering if and when mom cuts you off from her credit card will we see your troll posts disappear..