Ranger with splash rogue/monk help

[Ragnar13]

I'm considering doing 14 ranger 1 rogue 1 monk atm. I definitely want as much ranger as possible, would like to eventually have 18 ranger. Rogue lvl was for umd, skills and possible traps? Monk for the ac obviously.

Going Halfling
Also considering starting stats at
12 str
17 dex
13 con
13 int
15 wis
8 cha

Might do 14 wis and 13 str instead. Hate depending on getting tomes to get feats I might want. Definitely want tempest and combat expertise, thinking about power attack and OTWF or TWD and something else instead.

Any help would be much appreciated.

[Lewcipher]

I'm considering doing 14 ranger 1 rogue 1 monk atm. I definitely want as much ranger as possible, would like to eventually have 18 ranger. Rogue lvl was for umd, skills and possible traps? Monk for the ac obviously.

Going Halfling
Also considering starting stats at
12 str
17 dex
13 con
13 int
15 wis
8 cha

Might do 14 wis and 13 str instead. Hate depending on getting tomes to get feats I might want. Definitely want tempest and combat expertise, thinking about power attack and OTWF or TWD and something else instead.

Any help would be much appreciated.

If you can come up with a +1 int. tome, you can set your int to 12 and work with the stats from there. What are you going to put your lvl up points into? If you're running a 16 base wisdom w/ a +6 item at endgame, you're looking at at 22 (+6) to AC. I don't know if I would drop the wisdom any.

[Leyoni]

Biggest question -- what does Ranger 18 get you that Ranger 16 doesn't?

I'm currently leveling a warforged monk/ranger/rogue with skill points going into UMD, search and DD for the most part -- although I have maxed intimidate as well . I took 1 level rogue and 2 levels monk -- the extra monk level gives 1 feat and a +1 WIS enhancement. You can use monk feats for many of the prereqs for Tempest so it is a way to grab an extra feat.

If the answer to the R16 v R18 question is "not much," then I would seriously consider taking 2 levels of monk and 2 of rogue (saving the last rogue level until relatively late) or, depending on weapons, taking 3 levels of monk. The 2/2 split gives the WIS bonus and also lets you top off skills with the larger skill pool of rogues. The 3 levels of monk open up some additional monk options that could be useful.

[Lewcipher]

Biggest question -- what does Ranger 18 get you that Ranger 16 doesn't?

I'm currently leveling a warforged monk/ranger/rogue with skill points going into UMD, search and DD for the most part -- although I have maxed intimidate as well . I took 1 level rogue and 2 levels monk -- the extra monk level gives 1 feat and a +1 WIS enhancement. You can use monk feats for many of the prereqs for Tempest so it is a way to grab an extra feat.

If the answer to the R16 v R18 question is "not much," then I would seriously consider taking 2 levels of monk and 2 of rogue (saving the last rogue level until relatively late) or, depending on weapons, taking 3 levels of monk. The 2/2 split gives the WIS bonus and also lets you top off skills with the larger skill pool of rogues. The 3 levels of monk open up some additional monk options that could be useful.

1 Level of monk adds your wisdom bonus, as well as the extra feat. Instead of 2 levels of monk, maybe 2 levels of rogue instead?

[WeiQuinn]

Biggest question -- what does Ranger 18 get you that Ranger 16 doesn't?

*snip*

It was mentioned by a Dev in another thread that the Ranger Tempest 1, 2 and 3 enhancements may be given at levels 6, 12 and 18 respectively.

[Ragnar13]

ya, was kinda eyeing Ranger 18 for the tempest 3 enhancement

[Ragnar13]

I'm mainly wondering is it worth it to go the 1 rogue. Lose 1 bab and will the rogue skills be worth a darn. Will it be better off with another monk lvl or maybe just 15 ranger/ 1 monk?

[Tanka]

Honestly, -1 BAB isn't going to mean much in the long run. Sure, it's -1 to hit and whatever the final (BAB 20) attack animation is, but with the amount of Dex on this build it shouldn't really matter.

1 Rog/1 Mnk/18 Rgr can easily grant you full rogue skills (OK, so OL is half-ranked. OHNOES!), crazy AC, Evasion, fast damage, access to Rogue Haste Boost 1 and, uh, did I mention fast damage and crazy AC?

There's zero reason to take a second level of rogue or monk if you have enough Int.

[Aerendil]

1 Rogue also nets you a 15% haste clicky, and an enhancement to sneak attack.
Doing an extra 4-9 dmg per swing as long as you're not tanking is nice to have.

With FE bonuses, STR bonuses, and so on, it all adds up nicely to do some pretty sick damage

[Aesop]

full UMD is worth it for the rogue
Wis Bonus to AC is Worth it for Monk

18/1/1 is fine and dandy

maxing UMD Intim would be very nice

extra Sneak Attack Damage is nice

Haste Boost is Nice

Extra Feat is nice

-2 BAB is nothing to fret in the end

I wouldn't Bother with Disabling Traps that's not what you are there for (OL might be something to pick up though)



Aesop

[Leyoni]

A couple of things that might not have been clear.

2 levels of monk gives a WIS bonus via enhancements for an extra +1 WIS as well as adding another feat. I'm fully aware that 1 level of monk gives the normal WIS bonus to AC.

The biggest issue is why 18 instead of 16 levels for ranger. If it is Tempest III then that makes sense (assuming we know what T3 will actually be like).

[Noctus]

I´d go the save way and at the current cap only take 1 monk and 1 rogue level. When the cap increase comes you can still take 2Ranger/1/Monk/1Rogue, or just 4 Ranger. Depending on how good Tempest 3 is.

[maddmatt70]

I doubt they will be coming out with tempest 2 or tempest 3 by mod 9. I would guess mod 11 actually coming out the same time as half-orcs. Mod 10 will have druids which will take up alot of the dev time and I expect barbarian, wizard, sorceror, and cleric prestige enhancements (I think these will come in mod 10) will come before tier 2 or tier 3 expansions. Rogues were a little different in all of this because they needed 'some love' according to the devs so they got tier 2s in mod 6. Your decision regarding 18 ranger 1 monk 1 rogue is a long term decision. 1 feat and 1 extra wisdom point isn't very much to give up in my opinion. It makes more sense now to do the second monk level then it will when the cap goes up to 20 and it might not be a good build decision when tempest 3 comes out long term.

[Lewcipher]

A couple of things that might not have been clear.

2 levels of monk gives a WIS bonus via enhancements for an extra +1 WIS as well as adding another feat. I'm fully aware that 1 level of monk gives the normal WIS bonus to AC.

The biggest issue is why 18 instead of 16 levels for ranger. If it is Tempest III then that makes sense (assuming we know what T3 will actually be like).

Gotcha, I just misunderstood what you were saying there.