Well, it was slightly too hard. What they should have done is made the three puzzles easier so that they would be a reasonable alternative to beat the raid, if you didn't have enough Quickened Maximized non-Quelled Clerics to heal through Inferno. The original Abbot difficulty was a little too dependent on build and gear.
Of course, instead of fixing it right they did the opposite, and raised the difficulty of the Abbot, Inferno, Encase, and Phase Wraiths to match the puzzles.
PS. What other people might not know or remember is that for the first week of module 5, the Abbot raid had no timer, allowing some characters to get well over 10 completions in a weekend. If they had known it was going to be nerfed so wrongly, they would have stayed up all night and pushed to 20 completions. But instead we decided "Hey, no need to crazy farm this and burn out. We can just do it every 3 days forever"
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The Abbott is NOT any easier with a lot of casters and Clerics, actually I think it is easier with a bunch of High HP melees. Sure a caster and cleric are needed for healing, haste, and jump, but it is not any easier with 8 casters than it is with 2-3. There are MANY Ghallandians running this raid with a lot of success. The tile puzzles need ZERO talking to be successful and in this raid myself and a Korean completed the puzzle. It is NOT about talking or great twitch skills. Everyone needs to stop complaining about it and just go do it.
The raid is completed by several different guilds and PUGS, YES PUGS alike. This run was a PUG.
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I agree with your observations with the tile puzzle, but I have never heard of or seen a player on Khyber beat the asteroid puzzle the way devs intended i.e. throwing rocks at asteroids and staying up on the platform. One of the ways to get around this is to summon creatures/ or summon earth elementals with shroud clickies and hide in the center of them. Not the way the devs intended but hey what can you do. Not trying to diminish his accomplishment or other ghallanda players accomplishment. Casters and Clerics are best suited to dealing with summoned mobs by dispelling them and stoning or greater commanding what have you.
People on Khyber have never gotten into Abbot practicing, now some guilds recently were trying, but in part due to the lag etc some of the groups stopped doing it for a bit..
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I completly agree with you Ooogly it's a very beatable raid it's all on the group whether they want to take the time and put in some effort to beat it. I think sometimes ghallanda is over looked on the quality of players we have though we came in couple of hours of being the first to beat the abbot and to unlock the new raids and got beat to the punch by thelanis lol. I think ghallanda in my eyes is the best server I mean cmon odd soloed VOD. Anyway congratz odd for your 20th. Hopefully when the new raids come out ghallanda will come out on top my guess of we do beat it first it's gonna be between RG,Ddo korea or Katet...who knows maybe thaco or souls might sneak in
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Gratz. You almost gave me the motivation to actually go in there again. But only almost. But wow I didn't even know people were running it anywhere on any server so it is good to know.
Only 1 question though.
What is the rate of completions to failures you guys over there have?
Just curious if you really have it that perfected or if certain aspects of the game lag hurts you too.
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Congratz, man!
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Really if you get a set group of people that can get it down, once you got it, you got it.. just takes some time and practice, and oh yeah, patience. Granted its not a 100% completion rate, but the more you try the more often you complete, from my experience. We did beat it a year ago, second world wide.. that was a fun challenge, and I think it was better the way it was before the changes.
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