Question for all you Shroud leaders out there...

[Bunker]

I'd take no Cleric or a Cleric that goes afk in the quest over a Cleric where you find out too late that he's useless and will wipe your party (or at least severely hinder your zerging efforts) due to his incompetence. At least with no Cleric you can work a plan around him.

I can see where you are coming from, but that is like saying the cleric in question was not healing that great, but we stayed in the fight anyways and wiped. I suppose it is a point-of-view.

1st View: The cleric didn't heal fast enough and wiped the party.
2nd View: The party members decided to stay in and die instead of back out to survive.
Many players find that blaming one player in a group of 6 or 12 is far easier then looking into what they as the induvidual could have done to help.

Example: Shroud group of 12, including plenty of experienced players. In part 4 we find ourselves down to 3 players with about 20% life to go on the Fiend. 1 caster, 1 cleric, 1 barbarian. Now after the chatter of panic over VC, we work out the details of how to finish part 4 and get it done. Now players that had died were spamming tells to me making comments of how we didn't have a chance. How the cleric could not keep everyone else alive so how are the 3 of us going to finish. Caster and Barbarian learned to stay alive along with the cleric, not putting blame on one induvidual, and the 3 of us got it done together. I think it only took 3-4 rounds at that point. (I was the caster)

It still comes down to the fact that DDO is a game, and it is important to enjoy the game, since that is the intention of a game.

Oh, off topic a bit. Last night there was the best Shroud LFM ever. I forget his name, but it was something like this.

"Shroud Completion Need Guide. No Muppets! and I'm not talking about Jim Henderson either."

We flooded General Chat with comments, such as;
You know you're a Muppet when you need a guide for the Shroud.
and
You know you're a Muppet when you think it's Jim Henderson and not Jim Henson.

I personally don't understand the whole Muppet thing, don't think it's ever been funny and has certainly long ago worn out it's play, but we had a blast abusing that poor guy.

Who is the more decent player? The one who has a multitude of specifics that will most certainly offend players as they try to join the LFM, or the player that not only abuses the party leader but boasts about it in the forums?

[Renegade66]

I can see where you are coming from, but that is like saying the cleric in question was not healing that great, but we stayed in the fight anyways and wiped. I suppose it is a point-of-view.

1st View: The cleric didn't heal fast enough and wiped the party.
2nd View: The party members decided to stay in and die instead of back out to survive.
Many players find that blaming one player in a group of 6 or 12 is far easier then looking into what they as the induvidual could have done to help.

Example: Shroud group of 12, including plenty of experienced players. In part 4 we find ourselves down to 3 players with about 20% life to go on the Fiend. 1 caster, 1 cleric, 1 barbarian. Now after the chatter of panic over VC, we work out the details of how to finish part 4 and get it done. Now players that had died were spamming tells to me making comments of how we didn't have a chance. How the cleric could not keep everyone else alive so how are the 3 of us going to finish. Caster and Barbarian learned to stay alive along with the cleric, not putting blame on one induvidual, and the 3 of us got it done together. I think it only took 3-4 rounds at that point. (I was the caster)

It still comes down to the fact that DDO is a game, and it is important to enjoy the game, since that is the intention of a game.

All I'm saying is that life is too short to be frustrated dealing with idiots. Probably not worthy of such a lengthy example of your point. I think I got it.

Who is the more decent player? The one who has a multitude of specifics that will most certainly offend players as they try to join the LFM, or the player that not only abuses the party leader but boasts about it in the forums?

Who is the more decent player? The one who likes to light heartedly bust people's ballz for posting a funny LFM or the self-righteous player that takes himself way too seriously on the boards? Seriously dude, you've turned into "one of them". This was just a situation of pointing out the irony of demanding no muppets but needing a guide himself. Anyway, "decency" doesn't show up on my radar when looking for players.

[caliestro]

Who is the more decent player? The one who has a multitude of specifics that will most certainly offend players as they try to join the LFM, or the player that not only abuses the party leader but boasts about it in the forums?[/QUOTE]


or maybe those who post how great they are short-manning quests on the forums??? it never matters how great you are cause everyone has there own playstyle. i accept anyone to my party cause frankly i have 1 rule "everyone fights nobody quits" yes i stole that from gretchek from starship troopers.

[Bunker]

All I'm saying is that life is too short to be frustrated dealing with idiots. Probably not worthy of such a lengthy example of your point. I think I got it.

I totally agree. Life is too short, and especially to be frustrated dealing with idiots. That is why I say it is important to enjoy the game. Frustration doesn't lead to enjoyment.

Who is the more decent player? The one who likes to light heartedly bust people's ballz for posting a funny LFM or the self-righteous player that takes himself way too seriously on the boards? Seriously dude, you've turned into "one of them". This was just a situation of pointing out the irony of demanding no muppets but needing a guide himself. Anyway, "decency" doesn't show up on my radar when looking for players.

Answer: The one who likes to light heartedly bust people's ballz for posting a funny LFM.

That other guy, the self-righteous player that takes himself way too seriously on the boards, he is a goof. You may say I am "one of them" and that is your opinion.

As for peeps posting an LFM looking for "no muppets" but also needing a guide. Almost as goofy as the Leader requiring w/p when he/she has none in the inventory.

[Bunker]

Who is the more decent player? The one who has a multitude of specifics that will most certainly offend players as they try to join the LFM, or the player that not only abuses the party leader but boasts about it in the forums?

or maybe those who post how great they are short-manning quests on the forums??? it never matters how great you are cause everyone has there own playstyle. i accept anyone to my party cause frankly i have 1 rule "everyone fights nobody quits" yes i stole that from gretchek from starship troopers.[/QUOTE]

Is that what posting short-manning quests is for? To post how great they are. And here I thought it was to share how pleased they were to achieve the goal. I guess to some people, reading achievements makes them disgusted at those who achieved.

BTW, good quote, regardless of what ever rating that movie got. Was it a B or C movie? Still one of my favorites i'm humble enough to say.

[caliestro]

or maybe those who post how great they are short-manning quests on the forums??? it never matters how great you are cause everyone has there own playstyle. i accept anyone to my party cause frankly i have 1 rule "everyone fights nobody quits" yes i stole that from gretchek from starship troopers.

Is that what posting short-manning quests is for? To post how great they are. And here I thought it was to share how pleased they were to achieve the goal. I guess to some people, reading achievements makes them disgusted at those who achieved.

BTW, good quote, regardless of what ever rating that movie got. Was it a B or C movie? Still one of my favorites i'm humble enough to say.[/QUOTE]

bah if it got a bad rating it did. me i just love watching movies. the thing is if you have all this power and you do something like showing how you shortmanned a quest. is that flaunting your greatness by telling everyone what you done or is it better to know you have the ability and still go about your merry day. cause from what that shows its more goading your own ego than anything else. i am glad you accomplished that but doesn;t mean you have to tell everyone that sees you post. to me that is just well frankly immature.

[Phidius]

...the thing is if you have all this power and you do something like showing how you shortmanned a quest. is that flaunting your greatness by telling everyone what you done or is it better to know you have the ability and still go about your merry day. cause from what that shows its more goading your own ego than anything else. i am glad you accomplished that but doesn;t mean you have to tell everyone that sees you post. to me that is just well frankly immature.

I'm afraid I can't agree... as someone who likes playing with RL friends (just my best friend and his wife), I was inspired by the details of how they short-manned the Shroud. I had been wondering if it was even worth the effort to try - obviously it is. Whether we will do it or not is questionable, but not whether we can.

[Bunker]

bah if it got a bad rating it did. me i just love watching movies. the thing is if you have all this power and you do something like showing how you shortmanned a quest. is that flaunting your greatness by telling everyone what you done or is it better to know you have the ability and still go about your merry day. cause from what that shows its more goading your own ego than anything else. i am glad you accomplished that but doesn;t mean you have to tell everyone that sees you post. to me that is just well frankly immature.

Answer: it better to know you have the ability and still go about your merry day.

That is an interesting POV that posting an achievement is "goading your own ego than anything else". Have you ever done something, and someone wanted proof? Have you ever done something and was proud to share the achievement with others?

Or is it that perhaps you are upset with something else, and just want to spout words like immature and point the finger at anyone else to feel better today? I don't get it.

[Phidius]

...As for peeps posting an LFM looking for "no muppets" but also needing a guide. Almost as goofy as the Leader requiring w/p when he/she has none in the inventory.

I always smile when I see a level 9 putting up an LFM for 10-12, or the melee type who only wants Cleric/Wizard/Sorceror for the Ghosts of Perdition

[vanderberg]

From the 'using the achievements' thread.

"We hope that this forum feature will enable players to celebrate together in a way that encourages "friendly" interaction."

Apparently it doesn't work.

[BlackSteel]

I'll grab the first 4 or 5 that come along as long as they're not notoriously bad or from a kid guild. After that the LFM might change to exclude a class or two depending whats needed. As to funky multiclasses sure I'll take em w/o a second thought unless they're trying to apply as DPS when I have it up only for a cleric or bard.

As long as I'm comfortable with atleast two of the peoples damage output in the group I could care less what the 6 DPS people bring to the table.

[GATORZ]

i got rejected on a diff server cause i was a spellsinger not a warchanter.........the group leader wanted to make sure he had the right dam. buffs
1- dam comes from reg bard song ironskin chant which is dr comes from warchanter
2- if u need buffs for dam then gl see ya when you rezz out after failure

[caliestro]

Answer: it better to know you have the ability and still go about your merry day.

That is an interesting POV that posting an achievement is "goading your own ego than anything else". Have you ever done something, and someone wanted proof? Have you ever done something and was proud to share the achievement with others?

Or is it that perhaps you are upset with something else, and just want to spout words like immature and point the finger at anyone else to feel better today? I don't get it.

cute very cute but trust me when i started i would brag about all my lil details. i found it to be petty and boring. i was with our server trying to bang out as many raids as possible. after a while it just gets boring so i stopped bragging about how great i am. cause frankly when it comes down to it your gonna meet someone better and see that the next generation of players how they brag is just silly.

[vanderberg]

i got rejected on a diff server cause i was a spellsinger not a warchanter.........the group leader wanted to make sure he had the right dam. buffs
1- dam comes from reg bard song ironskin chant which is dr comes from warchanter
2- if u need buffs for dam then gl see ya when you rezz out after failure

Not to derail you getting rejected, but technically warchanters get +1 attack, +2damage, +1 fear saves extra on their songs. I'm sure you're more than enough of a qualified bard. People are strange.

[lostinjapan]

BTW - can I have a GH pls.

No! No GH for joo!

To the OP: If you get turned down, don't take it personally. It could be a huge number of things including, but not limited to, a guildie or close friend of the leader taking that last spot.

As Kraak pointed out, no one is entitled to a spot on an LFM. If you get turned down and you really feel like running <insert quest here>, start your own group.

[Bunker]

cute very cute but trust me when i started i would brag about all my lil details. i found it to be petty and boring. i was with our server trying to bang out as many raids as possible. after a while it just gets boring so i stopped bragging about how great i am. cause frankly when it comes down to it your gonna meet someone better and see that the next generation of players how they brag is just silly.

Like you said, "so I stopped bragging". A lot of players don't look at that as bragging, but instead celebrate, encourage, teach, prove.

Ask your fellow guildies and other players on the server if they are bragging when posting in the Achievement thread or anywhere else on the forums for that matter.

[Clay]

Heh, I guess light on DPS didn't really capture what I meant. I more so meant someone that can deal damage and take it as well. And to be honest looking at your build and reading what you posted so far I would be a little concerned about your hp. Now I do realize that some is realitive due to evasion and would take that into consideration. I guess if the group did not already have at least two hard hitters with hp I would be leary about giving you the last spot, but that's the only thing I can think of. At the very least I agree it's rude to just keep folks hanging on in the que. I always make the time to send tells to those I decline, forwhatever reason it may be(guildie logged on, someone joined group and wants to bring others with them, etc).

NM Braegan...

You already lost me when you said a Paladin and/or Rogue can't provide DPS...



OP: i agree it is in poor taste to let you name sit in queue for 20 minutes till the fill msg dings you out.. But just another name to add to your "lfm posters to avoid" list.

One if my favorites is: "No Muppets, need guide." Yup. That fills me with confidence. If you need a guide--YOU are the muppet.

[Ringos]

Since it went here...


I think the majority of the people that read the forums ENJOY reading about folks short-manning quests. It shows what can be done if people put some effort into things. It's also pretty cool trying t imagine just how they accomplished all the things you thought might be a 'sticking point'. I think it can make players better.

The way (the short-manned raids in question) were presented didn't come off as cocky or 'stick this in your pipe and smoke it', rather a statement of the accomplishment and some detail about getting it done. I've read some of the less 'humble' accomplishment threads over there, as most of us have. I don't think the ones in question fall inline with those.



Back to the OP...it's understandable why SOME whould question the build. Not everyone has seen what something other than 'standard' can do. it's new and unknown...and some don't want to find out if a person is a wacko or a good player. A number of people who frequent the board represent the top of the heap. They can go into the Shroud with 6 or less or they can invite folks regardless of build, race, weapons and skills and still own the raid. Just understand the masses may not be as enlightened, or as sure of their abilities or ours.

Take care!

[Wrigley]

[QUOTE=Ringos;1880714]Since it went here...


I think the majority of the people that read the forums ENJOY reading about folks short-manning quests. It shows what can be done if people put some effort into things. It's also pretty cool trying t imagine just how they accomplished all the things you thought might be a 'sticking point'. I think it can make players better.

The way (the short-manned raids in question) were presented didn't come off as cocky or 'stick this in your pipe and smoke it', rather a statement of the accomplishment and some detail about getting it done. I've read some of the less 'humble' accomplishment threads over there, as most of us have. I don't think the ones in question fall inline with those.



/QUOTE]

Ah heck. Most of the reason we short man quests and try new stuff is we are bored with the current content, and are amusing ourselves till the next mod. Sure as heck has nothing to do with showing anyone up. It's a game. We would be pretty shallow if we thought proving anything in a game had any deeper meaning. In the grand scheme of things it's completely meaningless except as entertainment. I think most of realize that.

[Braegan]

NM Braegan...

You already lost me when you said a Paladin and/or Rogue can't provide DPS...

Wait...Paladins are DPS now? Did they fix that last mod?





I kid, I kid