Why are humans so rare in stromreach?

[baddax]

Is this normal in the Eberron campaign stetting or Specific to Stormreach? I play humans because i like the versatility of skill points and extra feats, but i see few humans on Thelanis. I am not sure if this is only Thelanis or crosses to the other servers also.

Every campaign setting that Ive ever played had human as the predomionant race. Now having said that my first build was a dwarven fighter. My thoughts were who could screw up a dwarven fighter? Anyways i find myself playing more human builds, my latest is a human monk/rogue 13 and 3. I am not sure why i am gravitating more to humans maybe just phase.

Lastly i am not a "power gamer" so it doesnt bother me if i dont lead kill counts or have 1000 crits. So mainly play for the enjoyment and am happy if i can contribute significantly to party success and as long as im not a burdent to the rest of the party.

So my questions are.
1) Since ive never played Eberron (PnP) are humans the predominant race?
2) If so what are PnP benifits to humans vs other races.
3)Do these benifits carry over to DDO ie(Stormreach). If not then why not?
4) Lasly if you play only dwarves/elves and haflings but not humans what would make humans a more attractive race to play?

[Asirin]

Drow.

[baddax]

Is that a reply? if so please clarify.

[Noctus]

The P&P benefits of the races are tranfered into DDO.

What leads to so few Humans running around in our beloved City are the weaker racial enhancements of humans, compared to the other races.


Humans are an "okay"-race for most builds, while there is often a "best" race for a build.
Most people dont want to have an okay-fighter. they want to have a good fighter, so they go Dwarf. Not just an okay rogue, but a great one, so they go Halfling. And so on.

there are very few builds who work best as a human.

[Lithic]

The reason humans are so rare compared to others is that humans get completely screwed in their racial enhancements. Compared to the super race (dwarf), as well as any other there is NOTHING worth taking. Sure a hagglebot takes Human versitility, and maybe most take one or two tiers of the healing amp., but human enhancements are a barren desert compared to the dwarven/elven/halfpint/WF gardens.

Its a good thing the extra feat and skills are so much more important in an MMO than in PnP, otherwise you wouldnt see ANY humans. You can check out the thread "A horse worth beating" for more on this topic

[Zenako]

The class that can benefit the most is generally considered to be the otherwise feat starved Cleric which can really use the extra human feat, plus they can use the dual human stat boosts to augment the two stat boosts clerics get.

Now look about for how many clerics you see....

[Borror0]

Humans an ok race?! They're like second or third to dwarf! (The other race being maybe better than human is halfling..)

[Turial]

.....
So my questions are.
1) Since ive never played Eberron (PnP) are humans the predominant race? In pnp Humans make up a large portion of the population of Eberron but nations of other races are far more frequent in Eberron then they are in prior dnd worlds.
2) If so what are PnP benifits to humans vs other races. 1st level feat and 4 additional skill points as well as 1 per level up. This represents the more varied nature of humans (who are a more recent race) compared to others.
3)Do these benifits carry over to DDO ie(Stormreach). If not then why not? Humans in DDO get versitility in being able to boost 2 stats by 1 enhancement point through the enhancement, they can heal better then other races due to human healing, and human versitility is one of the better basic boost enhancements because it covers; damage, ac, saves, skills, and attack (other races have to pick these up through their class and as individual enhancements). Humans also get the pnp boosts. Humans can make the highest casting stat clerics and highest str barbarians (until half orcs come, if they do eventually arrive).
4) Lasly if you play only dwarves/elves and haflings but not humans what would make humans a more attractive race to play? I play humans but they would be more attractive if human versitility wasnt a 20 second boost to skills but the old passive bonus. Granted that would be to powerful, especially in a game where UMD is such a powerful skill to boost.

In red.

[GORAK]

Humans do make great skill based thieves- the extra feat is good for skill focus, the extra skills points help and the skill enhancements help fill in any gaps. I also like making pure human fighters- the only race/class combo that gets the most feats. Another thing to remember is that since most people do not play humans for whatever reasons, that means more RR-human items for you. :-)

[flamberg]

I love playing humans and have fun doing so. Look to your dragon mark of passage. expeditious retreat, Dimension door as a fighter yummm, and Teleport. Extra Feat, extra skill points. Cant complain to much but we could make them more comparable to the enhancements of the other races.

[cdbd3rd]

Why are humans so rare???


Cuz they ain't DONE yet.



(Okay, sounded funnier before I typed it - but it's all yours now.)

[Jay203]

Why are humans so rare???


Cuz they ain't DONE yet.



(Okay, sounded funnier before I typed it - but it's all yours now.)

*Tumbleweed©*

[Red_Knight]

I would just like to take the time to point something out for those who think that other races being able to hit 20 at level one in a stat is 'teh uberz'.

First of all, so you can get a 20 in one stat, most likely your not going to for various reasons. Fighters would be the biggest canadits for a 20, but they can't get a +2 strength at level one. Rangers and rogues starting with 20 dex sounds great, but look at the cost. The ranger is gonna spend 16 of their character points on said 20 dex. That leaves just 12 points left to work on stats like strength, wisdom, inteligance, and con. If your a pally, add charisma to that list too. All are skills that help rogues or rangers (except charisma). Wisdom because you really don't want a penelty to your will save. Strength to boost melee damage and carrying ability. Con because you don't want fewer hit points per level do you? No, you want more. And int boosts skill points and search. For rogues Int is also especially important, as is wisdom. Drop that dex down to 17, and you now have 20 points to spend on stats. A much better idea usually.

Next, let's look at the idea that having a +2 dex/-2 con is a big advantage over humans. Let's say you want a dex of 16 and a con of 14 because your a monk. As a human you spend 16 stat points total on the two stats. Now, make the character a elf or drow, your getting an advantage in spending less stat points on your traits right? Nope, it's still costing you 16 stat points for those two attributes total. Why? Because while dex cost fewer stat points to raise, it cost more to raise con. Dwarves can raise both those stats to those numbers for 2 less stat points... but that's not as big a deal as you might think. That's enough to allow one stat at 14 and one at 15, or two stats at 14 and a third at 10 (int perhaps). It all evens out in the end.

How about racial traits then? Do those make that huge of a difference at character creation? Personally, I think no they don't. Humans get more skill points and an extra feat. Other races get other benefits. Enhancement lines maybe? Personally, I usually don't bother with most racial enhancements anyway, so that's a wash. Maybe stat boosts and such, but that's about it. Humans get a useful one in their healing enhancements though. Drow are the only other race I seriously consider a racial enhancement line for (spell resistance line).

[Blazer]

EDIT: Didn't realize I had gotten sucked into a necro'd thread. Bad Blazer, bad bad bad.

[Borror0]

EDIT: Didn't realize I had gotten sucked into a necro'd thread. Bad Blazer, bad bad bad.

*points and laughs*

[Mithran]

I don't play a Human in Stormreach because I play one while I'm afk.

[Elaril]

The problem concerning humans is a lack of creativity by many character builders coupled with a nervousness about wasting the time leveling a character who is not necessarily a tried and true type of build.

Humans are an excellent choice for just about any type of class, but once a race/class standard has been established for a certain build, it becomes more and more rare to see any deviation from it.

[esoitl]

The problem concerning humans is a lack of creativity by many character builders coupled with a nervousness about wasting the time leveling a character who is not necessarily a tried and true type of build.

Humans are an excellent choice for just about any type of class, but once a race/class standard has been established for a certain build, it becomes more and more rare to see any deviation from it.

This is merely because people are unimaginative and have to copy someone else's build, a sad sad truth to DDO.
In my opinion it is this copycat world coupled with the lack of great enhancements that makes humans a bit more rare.

The human population of Sarlona appears fairly healthy though but limited to certain classes it seems. You'll see mostly Monks, Fighters, and Arcane casters but the odd Cleric is wandering the streets of Stormreach as well. I don't believe I have ever encountered a human Rogue, Bard, Paladin, Ranger, or Barbarian and if so, very few of them.

[Pyromaniac]

Humans are not given full credit for their abilities by the general DDO population. However, they are underpowered relative to....

Dwarves
Drow
Halfling
Elves (if a dex build or a wizard)
Warforged

....hmm yep Humans need help

[Nevthial]

Actually, you don't see many of them anymore because they were purged from your very midst.......